A UFO Debate - Believe or Disbelieve?

KingEric7 · 26th June 2010, 00:36

Before I start, I may as well admit that I am completely obsessed with this topic for all sorts of reasons (some may have noticed that I keep bumping that thread regarding the spiral UFO in Norway because it keeps appearing all over the feckin' planet). I'm always looking at the skies, and must look like a complete gimp to any observer when I'm walking around at night on campus or back home. Still, I witnessed a few events within the space of an hour the other day that I simply cannot explain (except one).

Firstly, upon one of my strolls, I watched a thick, bright blue light zip across the sky above me that disappeared as quick as it appeared. Immediately, I thought it was a shooting star given that it had left a trail that also disappeared immediately, but then I took into account the way it moved. From the second it appeared, the object left a trail that resembled a large 'n' shape, but with an upwards flick at the end of it if that makes sense. The best I can do is to say that, from left to right, it drew an 'n', then flew off upwards. Can shooting stars do this? Fuck knows, but that wasn't the most amazing thing I saw that night.

This will probably be laughed off, but I also watched a medium sized cloud disappear infront of my eyes about 30 minutes after that. The sky was absolutely clear with the exception of this cloud, and the speed it disappeared at was as incredible as it was disturbing. If this wasn't weird enough, there was a fairly dim flashing light buzzing around it whilst it happened. I'm not gonna lie, I'm always on youtube and the like looking up all this shite, and I've seen this before:

I caught the back end of it and didn't see half of as much as this guy caught on film. Amazing. The other thing I saw that night was one of those Chinese Lantern things, which was a lot less impressive all of a sudden given the other two events. I'm not creating this thread to try and express my glee at finally seeing something in the skies (you lot will no doubt think that my obsession has driven me to hallucinations!), but mainly to get an overall opinion on a topic that is often bizarrely laughed off by pessimists and sceptics.

It is absolutely staggering how many videos, documents, accounts, satelite images, etc there are yet, for some reason, it is still a topic that is laughed off by the masses. Are we really so ignorant as to dismiss whatever evidence we are faced with in spite of how convincing it seems? Is it all bollocks? Really? Before answering, I would seriously advise that people take a quick glance at this video - it shows a particular flying object that has been spotted not just all over the world in different countries, but also in different cities in the same countries:

Not saying this is real (it could actually be Venus plus some weird lens effect), but it's fascinating either way. This is one of thousands of very impressive videos scattered over the internet, and a lot of them shit all over this one. I intended to use this thread for debate, but feel free to post videos like this (or describe experiences).

UFOs - Yay or Nay? Why?

Yay, for me.

noodlehair · 26th June 2010, 00:41

MJLD · 26th June 2010, 00:42

Yay, nay or gay?

Gay for me.

KingEric7 · 26th June 2010, 00:43

To be fair, there was a news report regarding one in Moscow that showed a video of one that wasn't too disimilar to that as stupid as that sounds. It was ridiculous, obviously. If a massive pyramid flew over a major city, there'd be more than a single video of it.

VeevaVee · 26th June 2010, 00:43

Was sat in a field next to Lake Windermere (sat about 500 yards away from the edge of the lake) with some mates (as you do) at night a few months ago and we all noticed this weird cloudy haze above the lake that wasn't there previously. Of course everyone got freaked out a bit but put it down to mist or fog and started talking again. Whilst everyone was turned away I noticed it zip up into the sky. It looked as though it had been sucked away. Anyway I told everyone what I'd just seen to freak them out and it worked.
Creepy.

Karel_Poborsky · 26th June 2010, 00:44

I admire this thread.

You obviously put a lot of effort into it

Now if I wanted to report a fake UFO sighting where would I go about doing so?

KingEric7 · 26th June 2010, 00:47

Apologies before anyone moans at me regarding my wording of the question and thread title. When I say UFO, I should probably say alien saucers and crafts to be precise.

MJLD · 26th June 2010, 00:48

That first video is impressive. Any theories on what it could be if not alien?

KingEric7 · 26th June 2010, 00:50

It could be a weather ballon of some sort.

MJLD · 26th June 2010, 00:51

Ahh yeah thats what they always are.

Must admit I'm quite interested in these things - usually there's an explanation but a few years back I was really into watching documentaries and stuff about these and other things like Roswell/Area 51 and all that.

KingEric7 · 26th June 2010, 00:58

To me, that video is unexplainable. We know of no weather condition or technology that can do that, unless there is actually anything to this Alaskan HAARP project.

decorativeed · 26th June 2010, 01:03

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Originally Posted by KingEric7

Apologies before anyone moans at me regarding my wording of the question and thread title. When I say UFO, I should probably say alien saucers and crafts to be precise.

Ahh, right. I've seen something similar to what you saw - an object that I took to be a normal object in the sky (in my case a planet) that then shot off with remarkable speed. That was definately a UFO in the proper sense of the acronym, at least as far as I was concerned as I could not identify it. Whether it was aliens (which I do believe must exist somewhere in the universe) is a different matter.

KingEric7 · 26th June 2010, 01:12

Makes you wonder what else sightings like this could actually be. I'd like to think we weren't yet capable of that sort of technology, but who knows what we're capable of? Why was Area 51 denied by the government up until fairly recently?

To further the point stated earlier that I find it impossible to believe that each and every single one of these videos are false, I've just typed UFO 2010 in on Youtube and ranked them in terms of the time uploaded. It's incredible the frequency at which they are being uploaded, and you have to go 4 pages in to find a sighting that was uploaded more than 24 hours ago (though, obviously, not all the videos are sightings, but many are).

All fake? Honestly?

decorativeed · 26th June 2010, 01:15

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Originally Posted by KingEric7

Makes you wonder what else sightings like this could actually be. I'd like to think we weren't yet capable of that sort of technology, but who knows what we're capable of? Why was Area 51 denied by the government up until fairly recently?

I don't know. Loads of things are denied by the government. Most of which have nothing to do with aliens.

I'd love to think that I saw aliens flying about but it could be explained as ball lightening or something. To be honest I haven't a clue!

KingEric7 · 26th June 2010, 01:19

Must say that I've only ever heard of ball lightning. Is this white thing ball lightning?

Even if it is, just as with many UFO/cloud formation videos on youtube, if you pause every frame, occasionally you will see black objects moving at very fast speeds out of and also into the cloud. These are certainly not feckin' flies and all.

MJLD · 26th June 2010, 01:20

Love me a bit of Johnny Cash, legend.

That is definitely lightning IMO.

decorativeed · 26th June 2010, 01:21

I spoke to a guy that got hit by it climbing up a mountain in Scotland. There are articles about it rolling down the aisles of planes. Whether it is anything like what I saw, I must admit I am unsure though.

KingEric7 · 26th June 2010, 01:49

This is an amazing video. Anyone remember Gary Mckinnon? Hacked into the US Military systems, Aspergers case, etc...

I'm quite taken aback just by how knowledgeable, down to earth and articulate he is. I would've thought his condition would've been quite debilitating in an interview as such, but he's clearly comfortable talking at length about his findings.

niMic · 26th June 2010, 01:59

Anti-gravity.. free energy.. big government conspiracy.. youtube video.

I'm sold!

Ecstasio · 26th June 2010, 02:00

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Originally Posted by KingEric7

To me, that video is unexplainable. We know of no weather condition or technology that can do that, unless there is actually anything to this Alaskan HAARP project.

Which is probably exactly what it is. We are told HAARP only has a very limited radius of operation but that might not be the case or indeed there could be other similar installations that are still kept private. It could also be some kind of more direct cloud seeding with aluminium or barium or similar.
You might want to download the documentary "Don't talk about the weather". It was produced by a guy in Cheshire and is distributed freely with his consent. If you live in or near Cheshire he is willing to literally give you a DVD of it freely, failing that you can download it via thepiratebay.org or similar torrent sites. It mainly focuses on the "chemtrail" hypothesis but also looks into HAARP and other weather changing technology and methodology.

R.Nilsson7 · 26th June 2010, 02:01

Everything is possible but the idea of saucers with people in it is just ridiculous imo.

KingEric7 · 26th June 2010, 02:01

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Originally Posted by niMic

Anti-gravity.. free energy.. big government conspiracy.. youtube video.

I'm sold!

Yeh, what would he know? He's only facing trial for hacking into the US government looking for files on alien technology. What an idiot.

niMic · 26th June 2010, 02:04

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Originally Posted by KingEric7

Yeh, what would he know? He's only facing trial for hacking into the US government looking for files on alien technology. What an idiot.

What?

I'm genuinely baffled by this reply. Are you that anxious to be proven right on the issue of UFO's?

Clearly intelligent person says there is anti gravity and free energy. So it must be true.

What?

KingEric7 · 26th June 2010, 02:05

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Originally Posted by Ecstasio

Which is probably exactly what it is. We are told HAARP only has a very limited radius of operation but that might not be the case or indeed there could be other similar installations that are still kept private. It could also be some kind of more direct cloud seeding with aluminium or barium or similar.
You might want to download the documentary "Don't talk about the weather". It was produced by a guy in Cheshire and is distributed freely with his consent. If you live in or near Cheshire he is willing to literally give you a DVD of it freely, failing that you can download it via thepiratebay.org or similar torrent sites. It mainly focuses on the "chemtrail" hypothesis but also looks into HAARP and other weather changing technology and methodology.

What's amazing about this is that I live in Cheshire, and the things I saw the other night were...in Cheshire!

I may just do that. The HAARP project fascinates me. Though it is located in Alaska, there are supposedly similar facilities stationed in other corners of the world (EISCAT being one), positioned in such a manner that they could all conceivably work in tandem in order to manipulate the climate.

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Originally Posted by R.Nilsson7

Everything is possible but the idea of saucers with people in it is just ridiculous imo.

Why? It's simply not within our understanding. If you'd have gone back hundreds of years and told people that we'd be able to see each other on this called a television from opposite sides of the planet, they'd have found it as ridiculous, if not more so than the concept of people in flying saucers.

KingEric7 · 26th June 2010, 02:06

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Originally Posted by niMic

What?

I'm genuinely baffled by this reply. Are you that anxious to be proven right on the issue of UFO's?

It was in jest, really. It wasn't you I was calling the idiot - it was with a sarcastic undertone. Apologies if that seemed rude.

I think, given that he is being made an example of, his interviews carry a lot of weight, but I suppose I'd be as bad anyone to claim that he is absolutely correct. Just why is his case so severe by comparison, though? A 60 year sentence? What the fuck?

niMic · 26th June 2010, 02:07

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Originally Posted by KingEric7

Why? It's simply not within our understanding. If you'd have gone back hundreds of years and told people that we'd be able to see each other on this called a television from opposite sides of the planet, they'd have found it as ridiculous, if not more so than the concept of people in flying saucers.

Ah yes, the argument that because we probably wouldn't have imagined a phenomenon hundreds of years ago that turned out to be true, anything is possible.

KingEric7 · 26th June 2010, 02:09

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Originally Posted by niMic

Ah yes, the argument that because we were wrong about something before, we're probably wrong about this as well. Funny how that is only ever used by conspiracy theorists and religious fundamentalists.

It is simply an example of how what we deem to be ridiculous now is limited by our understanding of this planet. The more we learn, the less we deem to be ridiculous, and the more we are able to conceive of.

It may well be the case that new findings render such technology impossible, but I'd argue that what we have seen so far makes this unlikely.

Ecstasio · 26th June 2010, 02:12

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Originally Posted by KingEric7

What's amazing about this is that I live in Cheshire, and the things I saw the other night were...in Cheshire!

I may just do that. The HAARP project fascinates me. Though it is located in Alaska, there are supposedly ones stationed in other corners of the world, positioned in such a manner that they could all conceivably work in tandem in order to manipulate the climate.

Being from Cheshire you should watch it and then share it with your neighbours, family and friends. There is a great deal of footage in it from all over the place but nowhere more than Cheshire.

You can also watch the whole thing in 27 parts via Youtube:

niMic · 26th June 2010, 02:13

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Originally Posted by KingEric7

It is simply an example of how what we deem to be ridiculous now is limited by our understanding of this planet. The more we learn, the less we deem to be ridiculous, and the more we are able to conceive of.

It may well be the case that new findings render such technology impossible, but I'd argue that what we have seen so far makes this unlikely.

Well, sort of, but it's not really like that with UFO's. The more we know, the less likely they seem. For example, now we know just how hard it is to make interstellar travel work. That is, we don't know how hard it is, we just know it's really hard. If not impossible. And that's not from some dark-ages reasoning, that's from what we know about the laws of physics.

I just think it's slightly irritating how the most common argument in favour of everything from homeopathy and psychics to God and UFO's is that "we don't really know much about how the world works". It's never "we know, ergo"; it's always "we don't know, ergo".

KingEric7 · 26th June 2010, 02:26

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Originally Posted by niMic

Well, sort of, but it's not really like that with UFO's. The more we know, the less likely they seem. For example, now we know just how hard it is to make interstellar travel work. That is, we don't know how hard it is, we just know it's really hard. If not impossible. And that's not from some dark-ages reasoning, that's from what we know about the laws of physics.

I just think it's slightly irritating how the most common argument in favour of everything from homeopathy and psychics to God and UFO's is that "we don't really know much about how the world works". It's never "we know, ergo"; it's always "we don't know, ergo".

When you consider how little we actually know, it's best to keep an open mind, as ordinary a view as that seems. As I said previously, it may well transpire that anything we discover in the future may be in direct contradiction with the view that aliens are able to reach our planet from some far off galaxy but, as of this moment, we can conclude at best that it is only very difficult and beyond us.

Like you say, this argument could be applied to God, the soul, heaven, etc, but the difference with the case of alien crafts is that the range and frequency of the evidence (perhaps a strong word if we're to take the word 'evidence' literally) demands much more attention. For me, the best argument is this, not the fact that its existence isn't impossible due to the fact we are unable to understand it.

niMic · 26th June 2010, 02:35

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Originally Posted by KingEric7

Like you say, this argument could be applied to God, the soul, heaven, etc, but the difference with the case of alien crafts is that the range and frequency of the evidence (perhaps a strong word if we're to take the word 'evidence' literally) demands much more attention. For me, the best argument is this, not the fact that its existence isn't impossible due to the fact we are unable to understand it.

I disagree. There's a lot more "evidence" for God, and I don't consider the existence of a God the least bit likely. Just take the millions of people, billions even, who will swear that they have some special, distinct connection to a God or gods, or Mother Earth, or the lizard people (okay, mostly the first one).

It's ridiculously easy to make a UFO video, and it's very easy to replicate and disprove them. The simple reason for why they aren't is that there are so many of them, it would be impossible (even though most use the same techniques). It's the same as with Bigfoot, or the Loch Ness monster.

You'd think that with so many UFO's visiting the earth, someone, somewhere would get good, reliable footage of it - that couldn't either be easily explained away (weather balloon, malfunctioning rocket), or replicated with trash-can cover, a piece of string and the ability to zoom in and out on the camera.

KingEric7 · 26th June 2010, 02:47

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Originally Posted by niMic

I disagree. There's a lot more "evidence" for God, and I don't consider the existence of a God the least bit likely. Just take the millions of people, billions even, who will swear that they have some special, distinct connection to a God or gods, or Mother Earth, or the lizard people (okay, mostly the first one).

It's ridiculously easy to make a UFO video, and it's very easy to replicate and disprove them. The simple reason for why they aren't is that there are so many of them, it would be impossible (even though most use the same techniques). It's the same as with Bigfoot, or the Loch Ness monster.

You'd think that with so many UFO's visiting the earth, someone, somewhere would get good, reliable footage of it - that couldn't either be easily explained away (weather balloon, malfunctioning rocket), or replicated with trash-can cover, a piece of string and the ability to zoom in and out on the camera.

All I can say to this, in the nicest way possible, is look harder. There are plenty of videos that have left me baffled. Perhaps I am naive, but I just find it incredible that every piece of it is full of shite.

The God argument is valid (I can't even imagine the perceived connection an entheogenic drug would create) but I feel the difference between the existence of God and the existence of alien crafts and species here on our earth is that we have tangible 'evidence' of their existence in the form of videos and photos, not simply strong beliefs or their existence. I am fully aware that my argument rests on this, but, again, I just find it impossible to believe that tens, perhaps hundreds of thousands of pictures and videos have been faked, especially with the consideration of how convincing some are.

I realise I am arguing their existence based on how probable it is that some of the evidence is viable, whilst you are also arguing against it on the grounds that, based on what we know, it is scientifically improbable that they exist here, so we probably won't get very far here.

Edit: Meant to say video instead of evidence up there. Edited.

KingEric7 · 26th June 2010, 03:11

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Originally Posted by Ecstasio

Being from Cheshire you should watch it and then share it with your neighbours, family and friends. There is a great deal of footage in it from all over the place but nowhere more than Cheshire.

You can also watch the whole thing in 27 parts via Youtube:

My internet connection is absolutely dreadful, but I've e-mailed the guy on his YouTube, so hopefully something will come of that. Thank you.

Redrage · 26th June 2010, 08:34

Whatever I am thinking about appears in the clouds. May be I am the re-incarnation of the Greek Cloud god.

JayWalker · 26th June 2010, 08:35

I want to believe.

Stavros · 26th June 2010, 08:45

We would only be fooling ourselves if we thought that we are the only intelligent species in the universe. If there are other species, then there is always a possibility that they have/are interfering in our evolution.

Pyramids, Stonehenges...there are loads of unexplained things out there that we can only speculate about.

Though many of these signtings may be false, I still beleive in intelligent life other than us.

Spoony Youngblood · 26th June 2010, 08:55

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Originally Posted by Stavros

We would only be fooling ourselves if we thought that we are the only intelligent species in the universe. If there are other species, then there is always a possibility that they have/are interfering in our evolution.

Pyramids, Stonehenges...there are loads of unexplained things out there that we can only speculate about.

Though many of these signtings may be false, I still beleive in intelligent life other than us.

JayWalker · 26th June 2010, 08:56

The truth is out there.

hungrywing · 26th June 2010, 09:06

Technically, (sort of) if you fudge the definition in a roundabout way, it could be said that we're kind of living on a UFO (maybe).

Striker10 · 26th June 2010, 09:25

I believe - it may be a good thing and it may be a bad thing. As exciting a notion as it is, they might be evil Aliens. Any advancement over the human race - means that we could not rule out anything. Maybe obamas an Alien?

Maybe they can metamorphose. Maybe they can mutate. Maybe they're invisible. Maybe the nwo is being set up because of ET

While it's exciting and it sounds all sci fi the reality is we're just a boil on the giants butt and what we see is very little in the greater scheme of things. Sleep easy

26th June 2010, 00:36	#1 (permalink)
KingEric7 Winner of the Tabata bet Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Patrice Evra is that which no greater can be conceived. Posts: 18,941	A UFO Debate - Believe or Disbelieve? Before I start, I may as well admit that I am completely obsessed with this topic for all sorts of reasons (some may have noticed that I keep bumping that thread regarding the spiral UFO in Norway because it keeps appearing all over the feckin' planet). I'm always looking at the skies, and must look like a complete gimp to any observer when I'm walking around at night on campus or back home. Still, I witnessed a few events within the space of an hour the other day that I simply cannot explain (except one). Firstly, upon one of my strolls, I watched a thick, bright blue light zip across the sky above me that disappeared as quick as it appeared. Immediately, I thought it was a shooting star given that it had left a trail that also disappeared immediately, but then I took into account the way it moved. From the second it appeared, the object left a trail that resembled a large 'n' shape, but with an upwards flick at the end of it if that makes sense. The best I can do is to say that, from left to right, it drew an 'n', then flew off upwards. Can shooting stars do this? Fuck knows, but that wasn't the most amazing thing I saw that night. This will probably be laughed off, but I also watched a medium sized cloud disappear infront of my eyes about 30 minutes after that. The sky was absolutely clear with the exception of this cloud, and the speed it disappeared at was as incredible as it was disturbing. If this wasn't weird enough, there was a fairly dim flashing light buzzing around it whilst it happened. I'm not gonna lie, I'm always on youtube and the like looking up all this shite, and I've seen this before: I caught the back end of it and didn't see half of as much as this guy caught on film. Amazing. The other thing I saw that night was one of those Chinese Lantern things, which was a lot less impressive all of a sudden given the other two events. I'm not creating this thread to try and express my glee at finally seeing something in the skies (you lot will no doubt think that my obsession has driven me to hallucinations!), but mainly to get an overall opinion on a topic that is often bizarrely laughed off by pessimists and sceptics. It is absolutely staggering how many videos, documents, accounts, satelite images, etc there are yet, for some reason, it is still a topic that is laughed off by the masses. Are we really so ignorant as to dismiss whatever evidence we are faced with in spite of how convincing it seems? Is it all bollocks? Really? Before answering, I would seriously advise that people take a quick glance at this video - it shows a particular flying object that has been spotted not just all over the world in different countries, but also in different cities in the same countries: Not saying this is real (it could actually be Venus plus some weird lens effect), but it's fascinating either way. This is one of thousands of very impressive videos scattered over the internet, and a lot of them shit all over this one. I intended to use this thread for debate, but feel free to post videos like this (or describe experiences). UFOs - Yay or Nay? Why? Yay, for me.

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26th June 2010, 00:41	#2 (permalink)
noodlehair "It's like..." Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Flagg Posts: 2,095

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MJLD First Team Regular Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Westminster, UK Posts: 11,629	Yay, nay or gay? Gay for me.

26th June 2010, 00:43	#4 (permalink)
KingEric7 Winner of the Tabata bet Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Patrice Evra is that which no greater can be conceived. Posts: 18,941	To be fair, there was a news report regarding one in Moscow that showed a video of one that wasn't too disimilar to that as stupid as that sounds. It was ridiculous, obviously. If a massive pyramid flew over a major city, there'd be more than a single video of it.

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VeevaVee First Team Sub Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 5,292	Was sat in a field next to Lake Windermere (sat about 500 yards away from the edge of the lake) with some mates (as you do) at night a few months ago and we all noticed this weird cloudy haze above the lake that wasn't there previously. Of course everyone got freaked out a bit but put it down to mist or fog and started talking again. Whilst everyone was turned away I noticed it zip up into the sky. It looked as though it had been sucked away. Anyway I told everyone what I'd just seen to freak them out and it worked. Creepy.

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Karel_Poborsky Banned Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Crawling Up Sunnys Jim Posts: 6,231	I admire this thread. You obviously put a lot of effort into it Now if I wanted to report a fake UFO sighting where would I go about doing so?

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KingEric7 Winner of the Tabata bet Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Patrice Evra is that which no greater can be conceived. Posts: 18,941	Apologies before anyone moans at me regarding my wording of the question and thread title. When I say UFO, I should probably say alien saucers and crafts to be precise.

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MJLD First Team Regular Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Westminster, UK Posts: 11,629	That first video is impressive. Any theories on what it could be if not alien?

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KingEric7 Winner of the Tabata bet Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Patrice Evra is that which no greater can be conceived. Posts: 18,941	It could be a weather ballon of some sort.

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MJLD First Team Regular Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Westminster, UK Posts: 11,629	Ahh yeah thats what they always are. Must admit I'm quite interested in these things - usually there's an explanation but a few years back I was really into watching documentaries and stuff about these and other things like Roswell/Area 51 and all that.

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KingEric7 Winner of the Tabata bet Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Patrice Evra is that which no greater can be conceived. Posts: 18,941	To me, that video is unexplainable. We know of no weather condition or technology that can do that, unless there is actually anything to this Alaskan HAARP project.

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KingEric7 Winner of the Tabata bet Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Patrice Evra is that which no greater can be conceived. Posts: 18,941	Makes you wonder what else sightings like this could actually be. I'd like to think we weren't yet capable of that sort of technology, but who knows what we're capable of? Why was Area 51 denied by the government up until fairly recently? To further the point stated earlier that I find it impossible to believe that each and every single one of these videos are false, I've just typed UFO 2010 in on Youtube and ranked them in terms of the time uploaded. It's incredible the frequency at which they are being uploaded, and you have to go 4 pages in to find a sighting that was uploaded more than 24 hours ago (though, obviously, not all the videos are sightings, but many are). All fake? Honestly?

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KingEric7 Winner of the Tabata bet Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Patrice Evra is that which no greater can be conceived. Posts: 18,941	Must say that I've only ever heard of ball lightning. Is this white thing ball lightning? Even if it is, just as with many UFO/cloud formation videos on youtube, if you pause every frame, occasionally you will see black objects moving at very fast speeds out of and also into the cloud. These are certainly not feckin' flies and all.

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MJLD First Team Regular Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Westminster, UK Posts: 11,629	Love me a bit of Johnny Cash, legend. That is definitely lightning IMO.

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decorativeed First Team Sub Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Chorlton Posts: 6,190	I spoke to a guy that got hit by it climbing up a mountain in Scotland. There are articles about it rolling down the aisles of planes. Whether it is anything like what I saw, I must admit I am unsure though.

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KingEric7 Winner of the Tabata bet Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Patrice Evra is that which no greater can be conceived. Posts: 18,941	This is an amazing video. Anyone remember Gary Mckinnon? Hacked into the US Military systems, Aspergers case, etc... I'm quite taken aback just by how knowledgeable, down to earth and articulate he is. I would've thought his condition would've been quite debilitating in an interview as such, but he's clearly comfortable talking at length about his findings.

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niMic may peace and blessings of God be upon me Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: And I'm all out of bubblegum. Posts: 10,781	Anti-gravity.. free energy.. big government conspiracy.. youtube video. I'm sold!

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R.Nilsson7 First Team Regular Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: The light behind your eyes Posts: 17,440	Everything is possible but the idea of saucers with people in it is just ridiculous imo.

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Redrage Reserve Team Player Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Mars Posts: 3,960	Whatever I am thinking about appears in the clouds. May be I am the re-incarnation of the Greek Cloud god.

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JayWalker Ball Spotter Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Still got the blues for you.. RIP The Loner. Hull City. Posts: 25,558	I want to believe.

26th June 2010, 08:45	#36 (permalink)
Stavros Banned Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: I dont exist. I'm just a figment of your imagination. Posts: 2,625	We would only be fooling ourselves if we thought that we are the only intelligent species in the universe. If there are other species, then there is always a possibility that they have/are interfering in our evolution. Pyramids, Stonehenges...there are loads of unexplained things out there that we can only speculate about. Though many of these signtings may be false, I still beleive in intelligent life other than us.

26th June 2010, 08:56	#38 (permalink)
JayWalker Ball Spotter Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Still got the blues for you.. RIP The Loner. Hull City. Posts: 25,558	The truth is out there.

26th June 2010, 09:06	#39 (permalink)
hungrywing First Team Sub Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Your Left Ventricle Posts: 5,561	Technically, (sort of) if you fudge the definition in a roundabout way, it could be said that we're kind of living on a UFO (maybe).

26th June 2010, 09:25	#40 (permalink)
Striker10 "Ronaldo and trophies > Manchester United football club" Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 13,348	I believe - it may be a good thing and it may be a bad thing. As exciting a notion as it is, they might be evil Aliens. Any advancement over the human race - means that we could not rule out anything. Maybe obamas an Alien? Maybe they can metamorphose. Maybe they can mutate. Maybe they're invisible. Maybe the nwo is being set up because of ET While it's exciting and it sounds all sci fi the reality is we're just a boil on the giants butt and what we see is very little in the greater scheme of things. Sleep easy