A UFO Debate - Believe or Disbelieve?

niMic

Why do us Norwegians usually agree on these things?

I'm beginning to suspect state-controlled indoctrination.

KingEric7

On the topic of Norway:

niMic

Weren't you in that thread where this was discussed? This was thoroughly explained. Basically, it's a failed missile launch.

Adzzz

Aliens exist, ergo so do UFO's. Does this mean UFO's are Aliens? No.

KingEric7

This also happened in China, Russia and Australia. All failed missile launches? After it was originally denied?

It may well be of this earth, but that explanation doesn't sit right with me.

Eriku

Fair points... It's just not plausible, niMic... don't you see, we HAVE TO posit flying aliens to solve this 'un.

niMic

You find it suspicious that Russia denied having a failed missile launch? See, this is the problem with UFOlogists. The problem isn't really when you find videos that aren't immediately explainable. It's when you find vidoes like this, that have a very rational explanation, that has been confirmed from many sources, and then turn around and say "naaah, it's probably aliens".

Either you accept the very reasonable explanation, or you believe that there's a massive conspiracy that transcends nations and organizations, and everyone who claimed to come from a position of knowledge regarding the missile launch is in on it.

And if you're in the latter camp, all discussion with you is pointless. At that point your reasoning cannot be separated from that of a religious fundamentalist.

KingEric7

They then changed their story. Why? Again, I didn't say that it was of alien origin, but it's a strange one.

niMic

Why did they change their story? Perhaps because it was becoming blatantly obvious to anyone but UFOlogists that this was a failed missile launch? Why else would they change their story?

If you and Potato are right, and this is related to UFO's, then what possible reason could they have for first denying it was a failed missile launch, and then admitting it was? Is it some strange type of teasing? Were they throwing UFOlogists a bone by being deliberately mysterious?



I'm not saying the "failed missile launch" was The Flying Spaghetti Monster arriving back at Earth from the Spaghetti Castle, but it's a strange one.

Tumbling-Dice

Have the Aussies got missiles ?

Apart from Johnno's cock that is.

esmufc12

China UFO Sighting | Airport Operations | Flights Delayed | Glowing Object | Sky | Radar - Oneindia News

ben_united

'While airport authorities have launched an investigation over the incident, which led to delay in several flights, the meteorological experts pooh-poohed the matter saying that the 'UFO sighting' was nothing but sunlight reflecting off aircraft.'

Heardy

'Aliens exist' say real-life X-Files | The Sun |News

Mere conspiracy or the biggest cover up in our history?

More than sixty years have passed since the supposed Roswell UFO incident. I have no idea what credibility the documents that support the attached link have, and there may be better sources than The Sun.

So my question is, why does the US Government not come clean? Of course they've denied it happening and the whole incident has been clouded in mystery, but if there is something behind the story, why not come out with it?

I can understand that 60 years ago, there would have been mass fear around an "invasion" and potential hysteria, but would we be better placed to cope with it now given the time lapsed since the incident?

Do any of you believe there is something behind it? I would love them to come clean about it all, and I'd love to think that there are little 3 foot aliens held in formaldehyde somewhere in Area 51.

Surely if there was something there, why, in true American style, have they not turned it in to the biggest tourist attraction in the World - imagine putting on an exhibition, it'd make millions in annual revenue?

Bit of a brain dump of a post, but I can't be the only one that would like some answers.

KingEric7

My girlfriend and I actually filmed something really fucking weird the other day. In fact, we've seen all sorts of shit recently...

Needless to say, there's not a doubt in my mind that there's an extra-terrestrial presence on this planet currently.

The video is here:



Before anyone says it, it is not a plane. There was nothing at the end of the trail. The interesting thing to note here is that, though there the trail does not dissipate, it has a clear origin (when we saw it, it genuinely seemed to appear from nothing-ness!). There is also no airport in the area near where this was filmed. Kent International airport is actually on the opposite side of the landscape.

SmashedHombre

I would be fuckin surprised if aliens didn't exist to be fair. I will probably never find out for sure, however

mariachi-19

The first video looks like condensation clouds from jets. The quality is that shit that you'd never be able to see anything right up close to the clouds so showing them appearing and then disappearing is a cheap excuse.

Interval Level

Space, let me repeat, is enormous. The average distance between stars out there is 20 million million miles. Even at speeds approaching those of light, these are fantastically challenging distances for any traveling individual. Of course, it is possible that alien beings travel billions of miles to amuse themselves by planting crop circles in Wiltshire or frightening the daylights out of some poor guy in a pickup truck on a lonely road in Arizona
(they must have teenagers, after all), but it does seem unlikely.

Bill Bryson.

Sums it up pretty well.

SmashedHombre

Well he's obviously not taken into account space folds and wormhole / superstring theories. 'Time' is an enviornmental phenomena

KingEric7

There's a lot we don't know about existence and, for all we know, space and time may not be limitations for such beings. There may well be something that connects the entirity of existence which makes such travel instantaneous. I've no fucking idea to be honest.

The laws of physics, as of yet, are only our best guess, though they've served us well so far.

Whatever these things are, whether they are aliens, Gods or what have you, there is an absolutely phenomenal array of footage of them. I mean, it's genuinely amazing the more you scroll through YouTube, Google and the sort.

What I find incredible is that the very mention of the possibility seems to provoke an extreme reaction in everyone. Obsession, fear, extreme dismissal (before even looking into it all properly), etc...

Very, very interesting stuff. It's just a shame that the way it is all portrayed in the media (or not portrayed at times) has such an effect on people. This tin-foil hat/deranged lunatic stuff needs to be put a halt to really. It's almost as if many people don't even deem it to be worthy of any discussion whatsoever.

cesc's_mullet

Heardy

Do you think this is why the whole Area 51 / Roswell incident will remain under wraps.

I'd have thought our general opinion on the matter would have evolved since the 40's and 50's and we'd be more stable mentally to cope with such an announcement.

I'd be as intrigued as hell if it were true, but I'd not be exactly scared by it. Whereas had i been told in the days after such an event, i'd be worries about any future implications, but a lot of time has passed for that scaremongering to have come and gone.

KingEric7

I'll reply to that when I get back in, must dash - I've a haircut to have that is about 5 months overdue!

Interval Level

Even then, why would they just hang around invisible from us? It seems pretty bizzare.

I'm sure there must be some life somewhere. Just that we will never see them

Pogue Mahone

Dude, you need to cut back on the psychedelics. A bit of Salvia every now and then is no harm but when you start coming out with stuff like that...

lynchie

Pretty ridiculous thread, largely based on the premise that we "can't explain" water condensing.

Heardy

The debate surrounding an alien life form equal or more advanced than our own is a much wider debate though.

robthered

The stupidest thing with 'UFOs' is not the quesstion of whether aliens exist or not (see the Drake equation) but rather the idea that some kind of super intelligent alien life would arrive here in basically a suped-up passenger jet that danced around the sky for people with camcorders. Convergence on our planet suggests a move toward post-biological consciousness: i.e. technology getting really small rather than the same but faster and shit. If they 'arrived' here chances are we wouldn't be able to see 'them'.

noodlehair

He's probably just talking about Gabriel Obertan

prateik

That vid is clearly a plane and not a crescent UFO. I used to see those trails all the time when I lived in Goa and the plane wasnt always visible

Pogue Mahone

niMic

You're just a narrow-minded puppet of the global conspiracy.

You too. Come on, it comes out of nowhere! Only reasonable explanation = ALIENS.

GE

This man claims he shot a few 7 foot aliens in Area 51. He tells an interesting story, that sounds believable in the beginning, but when he mentions 'human-like' aliens with 6 fingers and life-spans of 400+ working for the Government makes me think twice.

He was killed 7 months after this lecture:

scholesy legend

I dont believe they were actually UFOs. But to me, extraterrestrial intelligence does exist. Without doubt. The only issue to me is; what form are they taking?

The Flying Potato

I personaly believe it's a cover up.

Also Roswell is no where near the biggest UFO event in our history, watch the History channel, they've a show called UFO Files which recently went over (enter town/country here)'s Roswell and some...heck, most if not all of them absoloutely stink of cover ups.

It's when you have trained military personel and/or pilots saying "Hey, somethings up here" that you have to take it just a bit seriously and thats exactly the source UFO Files get their stories from.

The Flying Potato

It's like my Dad says, if you were to find a civilisation that was thousands, hundreds of thousands etc years behind you would you visit them and show off your technology or would you rather just observe them and watch the natural course of a species develop on it's own over the years?

Sorta like the First Contact concept in Star Trek, they could be waiting for us to create the flux capacitor before they deem us worthy to converse with.

There could even be an issue with communicating like us with ants, we have no way of communicating with them so instead we just look down and observe them.

mboRa ndomHer0723

I live right near one sighting that got a lot of press a few years ago. It is now called "The Tinley Park Lights". I did not see anything but my neighbor came over the following day and asked if we saw the weird lights.

Tinley Park Lights - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

A TV show called UFO hunters even came out to investigate it.

Pogue Mahone

Almost makes you wonder why these staggeringly advanced intergalactic travellers - stealthily observing the human race using technologies beyond our comprehension - keep getting filmed by red-necks with camcorders and posted on YouTube?

Bryan_Munich

Proof that aliens really do exist.

mboRa ndomHer0723

Aliens are probably monitoring this thread so you will probably be abducted with in the next 3 months.

philipb231190

I don't really get the whole cover up thing. If it was a cover up then why let there be tv programs broadcast on it? Why let all those videos on Youtube be uploaded? Why let all those people speak on the subject about fighting "Greys" etc?