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Old 18th November 2011, 21:34   #41 (permalink)
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It was ridiculous. I was cent percent sure that cider had a stormer as a castaway and then out of no where RS is gone!!!!
I thought you were the Seer mate. But I wasn't sure enough to make you safe, hence why I still listed you as a suspect. Enjoyed the game even if it only lasted for 2 days for me!

Very good game from you Excal btw!
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Old 18th November 2011, 21:35   #42 (permalink)
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Yeah the village had some bad luck and also played badly. Main problem and we've discussed this endlessly in the dead forum - lack of organisation.

The wolves turned in a 'steady as she goes' performance and won with a light sweat.
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Old 18th November 2011, 21:35   #43 (permalink)
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Feeky made excellent picks. Couldn't really have picked better, he was just very unlucky.
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Old 18th November 2011, 21:35   #44 (permalink)
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That looked like fun. Well played wolves/cannibals/Excals.

The big thing we've learnt from this? Always kill Ed first. I was right about that.
Did you follow the game, Cass? Did you regret not signing up?
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Feeky made excellent picks. Couldn't really have picked better, he was just very unlucky.
Unreal how unlucky he was.
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Old 18th November 2011, 21:37   #46 (permalink)
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We felt sorry for him.

Also, this game had some excellent lynch time drama moments.
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Old 18th November 2011, 21:37   #47 (permalink)
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I think this is future of werewolf on the cafe. Hang on...I'll find a post I made on the dead forum.
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Old 18th November 2011, 21:38   #48 (permalink)
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It was ridiculous. I was cent percent sure that cider had a stormer as a castaway and then out of no where RS is gone!!!!
everybody in the dead forum were utterly convinced Cider was the castaway and couldn't understand why he wasn't an automatic lynch choice ahead of the original priest who had been cleared by the seer (seriously, wtf were you all thinking).

Then he went and did his triple roleclaim and popped Redsky to deprive the village of the last one able to try and lead and organise the village - gameover.

Excal may have played well as the castaway, but cider did far better. Just wasn't supposed to, is all.
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Old 18th November 2011, 21:38   #49 (permalink)
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I worked hard to organise the village in the end, then I died and you all ignored it
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Old 18th November 2011, 21:38   #50 (permalink)
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Massive game of chance on the first turn that all fell in the wolves favour.

Sane seer checks... the alpha.
Insane seer checks... the castaway and comes away clear.
Castaway tries to kill... the alpha and fails.

Managing to pick all of team evil and not getting a single positive has to be a record though. If he had been seer, he would have been heralded as the best seer ever.
Castaway is supposed to come as innocent
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Solius' idea of back to basics turned out to be an excellent choice.

Islands and Cannibals is the way forward.
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Old 18th November 2011, 21:38   #52 (permalink)
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Just read Solius' journal. How could you lads think Damien was not the witness?

Great work by the way Solius and IL! After Weaste's modding performance from hell, this was the polar opposite. Hardly any hiccups.
Did anyone genuinely not think he was the witness? I thought it was all piss-poor attempts at hiding it from whoever the fuck they thought was dumb enough to buy it.
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Old 18th November 2011, 21:40   #53 (permalink)
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I think even without the Feeky bad luck we would have won this. We killed right amount of PVs at right time and had a good cast away. I would have backed Ando to survive till the end as well
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Castaway is supposed to come as innocent
still a 33% he could come out wolf though.
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I made some great posts in the dead forum about the Castaway being way too powerful a weapon to the wolves in this setup. I can't be bothered to find it though.

Also, the reduced number of players also favored the wolves as there wasn't much time to get a feel for posters and spot odd behavior.
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Old 18th November 2011, 21:41   #56 (permalink)
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Old 18th November 2011, 21:41   #57 (permalink)
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Did anyone genuinely not think he was the witness? I thought it was all piss-poor attempts at hiding it from whoever the fuck they thought was dumb enough to buy it.
Heh it was clear as a day Damien had a role.

I killed mehro taking a risk since I was absent the whole night his fiasco happened. Then true to my nature panicked even after that
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Step up, those who can't get into the wolf forum.

Urban, can you log in now?
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Old 18th November 2011, 21:42   #60 (permalink)
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I think even without the Feeky bad luck we would have won this. We killed right amount of PVs at right time and had a good cast away. I would have backed Ando to survive till the end as well
Yep. No safelist to speak of and good PV kills from the wolves won this game.
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I made some great posts in the dead forum about the Castaway being way too powerful a weapon to the wolves in this setup. I can't be bothered to find it though.

Also, the reduced number of players also favored the wolves as there wasn't much time to get a feel for posters and spot odd behavior.
I sorta agree that castaway having a kill every 2 turns is too much. But you have to consider if he kills a wolf then he turns the game for village a lot as well.
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Old 18th November 2011, 21:44   #63 (permalink)
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Did you follow the game, Cass? Did you regret not signing up?
I was reading bits here and there. The village didn't really get any breaks tbh.

Nah, don't regret not joining in. If anything it confirmed why I think its starting to become a bit played out. New guys aren't being given a chance and people are still being killed on reputation rather than anything tangible (redsky).
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I think this game is an insight into the future of werewolf on the cafe. We'll never have the wild excitement and 100+ page threads of the early days but it's evolving into a game that's enjoyable and yet doesn't consume your life. You can come back after hours, catch up in 15-20 mins and still contribute.

We'll have a core group of 25-30 players out of which about 10-15 hopefully will play any given game and the rest will be casual players or news.

Every 100th post will be someone cribbing the game isn't that exciting any more. Every 10th Weaste post will be him calling it piss easy.
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Irwin-=Mong.

And i knew ThatsHernandez was a cannibal. He posted just like me whilst i was a wolf. Had it not been for mong, i would have gone for him a lot harder.
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Old 18th November 2011, 21:44   #66 (permalink)
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I sorta agree that castaway having a kill every 2 turns is too much. But you have to consider if he kills a wolf then he turns the game for village a lot as well.
I addressed this in my awesome posts.

That scenario is only possible the first ime really, after that he'll have PV's to kill left and right in most games. Without having to fear the witness. Basically it means a PV can never survive more than a day after coming out, and surviving PV's and safe villagers is what wins the village games. The Castaway is like a super PV killer.
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I sorta agree that castaway having a kill every 2 turns is too much. But you have to consider if he kills a wolf then he turns the game for village a lot as well.
Also, it's only a 50% chance per kill. I just got lucky that I did manage to kill the witness and did not manage to kill the alpha.

The Feeky kill didn't matter, as if I'd failed, I'd have announced my role (though the wolves already knew, and it was hilarious how me and crappy kept mentioning the other as suspicious and making no effort whatsoever at lynching the other once we'd sussed each other out)
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I was reading bits here and there. The village didn't really get any breaks tbh.

Nah, don't regret not joining in. If anything it confirmed why I think its starting to become a bit played out. New guys aren't being given a chance and people are still being killed on reputation rather than anything tangible (redsky).
There was no logic to Redsky being killed other than Cider's epic brainfart.
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I will be moderating the next game and it will be rehash of first mafia game on the caf.

I will only run it if all the main players play though. I will send personal invites by PM
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Old 18th November 2011, 21:46   #72 (permalink)
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I worked hard to organise the village in the end, then I died and you all ignored it
They were not active enough. Today was dead really. 2 vocal players had to go out and that was that. In the end we all accused each other, had banter. TH even accussed me of being alpha today the cnut I even raised the question as to why Irwin was not going for crappy?

No one even questioned why I did change my vote. They just also changed!
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Old 18th November 2011, 21:47   #73 (permalink)
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I am done, I think, Crappy. Even when I am playing poorly I get killed too quickly.
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Old 18th November 2011, 21:48   #74 (permalink)
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Also, it's only a 50% chance per kill. I just got lucky that I did manage to kill the witness and did not manage to kill the alpha.

The Feeky kill didn't matter, as if I'd failed, I'd have announced my role (though the wolves already knew, and it was hilarious how me and crappy kept mentioning the other as suspicious and making no effort whatsoever at lynching the other once we'd sussed each other out)
Heh true. But to be honest, I only sussed you as castaway after the cider fiasco happened. Even then I had nagging feeling Irwin could be one. But still I knew I could not risk killing you. Same with cider, I tried to stop him from being lynched.
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I addressed this in my awesome posts.

That scenario is only possible the first ime really, after that he'll have PV's to kill left and right in most games. Without having to fear the witness. Basically it means a PV can never survive more than a day after coming out, and surviving PV's and safe villagers is what wins the village games. The Castaway is like a super PV killer.
Yeah one kill in his life like a cop is all he should get I think. That way both sides get one extra kill and its balanced.
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I am done, I think, Crappy. Even when I am playing poorly I get killed too quickly.
I think you should play, Top. I think crappy proved in this game that it is possible to play despite reputation.
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I am done, I think, Crappy. Even when I am playing poorly I get killed too quickly.
You did not play poorly in this one. You did sent out PV vibes though.

And RI is right. This kind of WW game is fine, not all consuming, still active and fun IMO

I want to run a proper two wolves team game!
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I will be moderating the next game and it will be rehash of first mafia game on the caf.

I will only run it if all the main players play though. I will send personal invites by PM
I'll be joining you guys in 2 games time then!
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I will be moderating the next game and it will be rehash of first mafia game on the caf.

I will only run it if all the main players play though. I will send personal invites by PM
Run it anyway...all main players is boring. We need new players and styles.
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There was no logic to Redsky being killed other than Cider's epic brainfart.
It made no sense

It took me about 2 hours to realise RS was a villager when he started posting regularly. I did consider at points he could be a castaway but still most chances were he was a villager.
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