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Reddevil1971 · 25th September 2008, 08:04

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Originally Posted by St Red

So we were 17000 under capacity against lower league opposition, and you were 23000 under capacity against Premier League opposition.

What have you really got to laugh at?

The Carling Cup usually brings lower attendances for all big clubs, shame you lot cant see that and just look for any blinkered reason to have a dig at Liverpool.

I've said it before, top of the tree yet still so bitter its laughable.

The point that we are laughing at is that you cant fill your stadium, yet want to build a bigger one.

And even though we were 23000 under a full house, we still got more than a full house at Anfailed.

Thats the difference between a big club, still growing and one that reached its full potential 20 years ago

Red For Ever · 25th September 2008, 08:09

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Originally Posted by KingEric7

To be fair, we were well over 20,000 under capacity last night, and we were against Premiership opposition.

We were under capacity, but still 53,000 or therabouts DID go

although the Newcastle fans were at the lowest level for 16 years against Spurs last night with a mere 20,577 or so and I keep hearing them tell all and sundry they are the best supported club in the land

Ander8on · 25th September 2008, 08:19

Why were Newcastle's attendance so low - something to do with an Ashley protest? Dont they realise he wants out also, and by not supporting the players on the pitch at this tricky time for them they could be damaging the club?

St Red · 25th September 2008, 08:20

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Originally Posted by Reddevil1971

The point that we are laughing at is that you cant fill your stadium, yet want to build a bigger one.

And even though we were 23000 under a full house, we still got more than a full house at Anfailed.

Thats the difference between a big club, still growing and one that reached its full potential 20 years ago

Listen, I wont try and change facts or argue that your stadium and support is bigger than ours.

That argument is getting as boring as you probably find the 18/5 argument.

The fact is, big teams have not attracted capacity crowds for midweek CC games.

You and us did last season, you for Coventry and us for Cardiff.

Our ground is sold out for 99% of games as is yours. We had near capacity for Havant & Waterlooville FFS. Only the few ST holders not attending showed the figures as below capacity.

That will not happen this year due to a new scheme where ST holders can sell on their seats officially through the club for any game they cant attend.

So the bottom line is that we do fill our ground regularly, would fill a larger stadium regularly as well, and your argument is a poor attempt at discrediting the loyalty of our supporters........................shame on you.

CnutOfAllCnuts · 25th September 2008, 08:41

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Originally Posted by St Red

That will not happen this year due to a new scheme where ST holders can sell on their seats officially through the club for any game they cant attend.

Only if the game is sold out.

28k hehe...

Red For Ever · 25th September 2008, 08:45

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Originally Posted by St Red

So we were 17000 under capacity against lower league opposition, and you were 23000 under capacity against Premier League opposition.

What have you really got to laugh at?

The Carling Cup usually brings lower attendances for all big clubs, shame you lot cant see that and just look for any blinkered reason to have a dig at Liverpool.

I've said it before, top of the tree yet still so bitter its laughable.

There are lots of words that fit but bitter isnt one of them
I think you are missing the point of the banter that comes from both sides
Most of it revolves around taking the piss at every oppurtunity and it is 50/50 between United and Liverpool but not on this forum
Its just for some reason on this UNITED forum it tends to mainly be at Liverpool, difficult to understand why maybe because its a UNITED Forum
For banter with a Liverpool bias why not try a different forum, errrrrrrrm how about a Liverpool forum

At least you are realistic enough to agree United are top of the tree something that you wont always find on a Liverpool forum

I sometimes see quotes from Rawk on here and the witty ones make me smile, others are just stupid, and we have our fair share of those as does everyone, but I woudn ever think of signing up for Rawk, just dont understand why someone would reguarly post on an opposing teams forum

Marching · 25th September 2008, 09:14

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Originally Posted by Ander8on

Why were Newcastle's attendance so low - something to do with an Ashley protest? Dont they realise he wants out also, and by not supporting the players on the pitch at this tricky time for them they could be damaging the club?

I expect the fans to turn up as usual for the league games which is where it really matters.

The protests regarding Ashley are to keep the pressure on him so the club is sold sooner rather than later and something is done to bring a manager in. It is disgraceful that Wise hasn't been seen at the club since Keegan went and there is little or no contact between the management/owner and Hughton/players.

Ashley will certainly be feeling the effect of fans not spending at his Sportsdirect company, inside SJP or at Shearer's bar. There are 12 exec boxes sitting empty whereas he would have expected £50,000 a season from them before all this shit blew up.

Ander8on · 25th September 2008, 09:42

£600,000 a season down on exec boxes alone, must be difficult for Ashley to try to attract investment as its tricky to prove fans will return to SJP with his depature.

My interpretation of the situation is that he's done a good job, stabilized the club financially, made them a more attractive proposition on paper, and now wants a little recompense for doing this.

With the threats to his family, protests etc - would I be wrong in thinking that if Ashley had the option of two buyers, a multi-billion pound Dubai consortium or a Ken Bates type person, he would accept Ken Bate's offer just to spite the people of Newcastle? I reckon the longer the fans protest, the more likely this may be.

theimperialinn · 25th September 2008, 10:35

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Originally Posted by rocks13

The attendance at Anfield last night.

Why exactly do Liverpool need a bigger stadium?

Another embarrassing thread started against the scousers!

Marching · 25th September 2008, 10:49

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Originally Posted by Ander8on

£600,000 a season down on exec boxes alone, must be difficult for Ashley to try to attract investment as its tricky to prove fans will return to SJP with his depature.

My interpretation of the situation is that he's done a good job, stabilized the club financially, made them a more attractive proposition on paper, and now wants a little recompense for doing this.

With the threats to his family, protests etc - would I be wrong in thinking that if Ashley had the option of two buyers, a multi-billion pound Dubai consortium or a Ken Bates type person, he would accept Ken Bate's offer just to spite the people of Newcastle? I reckon the longer the fans protest, the more likely this may be.

Any potential investor will see that over 50,000 were at the last home league game which will dispel any thoughts that the support isn't there....it just isn't there for Ashley.

I agree with your interpretation of the situation and would only add that it was a mistake not to release his heartfelt speech when he arrived at the club rather than as he is leaving. I looked at the new owners of City talking about a long term 10 year plan and how they are not football experts and will therefore leave the team to Hughes...shame Ashley didn't do the same.

And as for Ashley doing something to spite the fans, don't be daft. He is a businessman and will take the best deal financially.

The really sad thing is NUFC have missed a golden opportunity here to finally build a successful team IMO.

theimperialinn · 25th September 2008, 11:00

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Originally Posted by Red For Ever

We were under capacity, but still 53,000 or therabouts DID go

Not necessarily through choice, we forced our tickets on the ST holders

Ander8on · 25th September 2008, 11:13

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Originally Posted by Marching

Any potential investor will see that over 50,000 were at the last home league game which will dispel any thoughts that the support isn't there....it just isn't there for Ashley.

I agree with your interpretation of the situation and would only add that it was a mistake not to release his heartfelt speech when he arrived at the club rather than as he is leaving. I looked at the new owners of City talking about a long term 10 year plan and how they are not football experts and will therefore leave the team to Hughes...shame Ashley didn't do the same.

And as for Ashley doing something to spite the fans, don't be daft. He is a businessman and will take the best deal financially.

The really sad thing is NUFC have missed a golden opportunity here to finally build a successful team IMO.

The best financial deal available to Ashley, may not be in the best interests of NUFC, but I guess that this is always going to be the problem with any investment.

I forgot about his medling with the team though, no good can come from that, considering he's such a successful business man you would've thought he understood this - or maybe its becuase he's so successful that has caused him to be such a control freak.

Either-way, it appears theres no way back for him now & that NUFC are about to roll the dice in repect of new ownership - good luck.

ralphie88 · 25th September 2008, 11:48

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Originally Posted by Red For Ever

We were under capacity, but still 53,000 or therabouts DID go

Closer to 43,000 I reckon mate.

KingEric7 · 25th September 2008, 11:50

I can only imagine that they simply counted the amount of tickets purchased.

theimperialinn · 25th September 2008, 13:37

you could more or less sit wherever you wanted in the stretty!

KingEric7 · 25th September 2008, 13:53

And the away end.....

theimperialinn · 25th September 2008, 14:26

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Originally Posted by KingEric7

And the away end.....

Yeah their turnout was pathetic! I only saw 1 boro fan prior to kick if and he looked lost!!

UnitedRed · 25th September 2008, 14:43

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Originally Posted by ralphie88

Around 10,000 United fans didn't turn up and simply did not opt out of the automatic cup scheme so they could still apply for aways/finals etc.

Why would you pay for a match and not go to it? That seems backwards to me...

Anyway, we still doubled Liverpool's ticket sales, even though I find the debate a bit pointless.

dumbo · 25th September 2008, 14:46

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Any excuse to have a go at the scousers, but i would be curious to know what the price of tickets were for last nights match, cos i can bet any money they were not charging £40 for a ticket behind the goals, as our non members were having to pay

That's a disgrace. Why don't clubs charge £15-20 or so and fill the extra 15000 or so seats. Better yet let local schools or youth organisations have the extra tickets at rock bottom prices. They know the demand for these games is smaller.

Stick · 25th September 2008, 14:48

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Originally Posted by dumbo

That's a disgrace. Why don't clubs charge £15-20 or so and fill the extra 15000 or so seats. Better yet let local schools or youth organisations have the extra tickets at rock bottom prices. They know the demand for these games is smaller.

Just give the excess tickets to the schools. Whats the point in having a half empty stadium. The rugby world cup did this for the matches and atmosphere was fantastic with devout fans mixed with kids who would sing for their team!

Floyd · 25th September 2008, 15:08

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Originally Posted by Ander8on

Had there been good rates on flights from Oslo, I'm sure the dippers would've reached capacity.

Too true.

I was at Anfield for the United game, there were Norwegians all over the place. Tickets were flying, I could easily get another four.

There are a lot of Norwegians at OT but the numbers at Anfield really took the piss.

kietotheworld · 25th September 2008, 16:36

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Originally Posted by St Red

So we were 17000 under capacity against lower league opposition, and you were 23000 under capacity against Premier League opposition.

How far under capacity you were is irrelevant if you don't fill the stadium. If your stadium had been 76,000 seater you still would have got 28591 because that's how many people wanted tickets to it.

St Red · 25th September 2008, 17:00

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Originally Posted by kietotheworld

How far under capacity you were is irrelevant if you don't fill the stadium. If your stadium had been 76,000 seater you still would have got 28591 because that's how many people wanted tickets to it.

Big word that...............................if.

If my granny had balls, then I wouldn't be here.

Let me explain this slowly and clearly to you.

Stadium size is irrelevant, we both have what we have.

23000 of your fans stayed away, 17000 of ours stayed away.

Simple really.

Brwned · 25th September 2008, 17:06

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Originally Posted by St Red

Big word that...............................if.

If my granny had balls, then I wouldn't be here.

Let me explain this slowly and clearly to you.

Stadium size is irrelevant, we both have what we have.

23000 of your fans stayed away, 17000 of ours stayed away.

Simple really.

Stupid logic.

kietotheworld · 25th September 2008, 17:16

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Originally Posted by St Red

Big word that...............................if.

If my granny had balls, then I wouldn't be here.

Let me explain this slowly and clearly to you.

Stadium size is irrelevant, we both have what we have.

23000 of your fans stayed away, 17000 of ours stayed away.

Simple really.

Many millions of fans of both clubs stayed away. 28,591 of your fans turned up, over 50,000 of ours turned up. You'd expect the self-proclaimed greatest fans in the world to turn up to support the team.

If you'd filled your stadium, and someone was laughing at you for having less than us, you'd have a right to be aggrieved by it (because it would be ridiculous) but If's a big word.

Marching · 25th September 2008, 17:18

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Originally Posted by St Red

Big word that...............................if.

If my granny had balls, then I wouldn't be here.

Let me explain this slowly and clearly to you.

Stadium size is irrelevant, we both have what we have.

23000 of your fans stayed away, 17000 of ours stayed away.

Simple really.

You aren't saying that if you had a larger stadium more fans would have turned up last night are you?

St Red · 25th September 2008, 18:08

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Originally Posted by Marching

You aren't saying that if you had a larger stadium more fans would have turned up last night are you?

Jeezuz this is hard work, I'm begining to wish I hadn't got into this.

You have a bigger stadium..................fact.

You have a bigger national following.................fact.

You have a bigger worldwide support..................fact.

You have regular 75k ish crowds...............fact.

We have regular 44k ish crowds................fact.

Now this can be dressed up in 2 different ways, you had 23000 fans not turn up or 53000 did turn up.

We had 17000 fans not turn up or 28000 did turn up.

You lot will dress it up to mock us, and we'll do the opposite.

Last season you had 74k at the Coventry game and we had 44k at the Cardiff game.

My earlier point was that for some reason the fans of the big clubs are staying away for these midweek CC games this season.

As the thread was opened to rip the piss out of us having a smaller than normal crowd, I have merely pointed out that you played more attractive opposition and had more fans stay away.

As I'm heavily in the minority I dont expect my take on it to be agreed with, but there you go.

Anyway, to answer your question.................................no.

Marching · 25th September 2008, 18:13

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Originally Posted by St Red

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Ander8on Pissface Bob for another 12 months Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Chorlton "Knowledge speaks, but Wisdom listens" Posts: 3,434	Why were Newcastle's attendance so low - something to do with an Ashley protest? Dont they realise he wants out also, and by not supporting the players on the pitch at this tricky time for them they could be damaging the club?

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Ander8on Pissface Bob for another 12 months Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Chorlton "Knowledge speaks, but Wisdom listens" Posts: 3,434	£600,000 a season down on exec boxes alone, must be difficult for Ashley to try to attract investment as its tricky to prove fans will return to SJP with his depature. My interpretation of the situation is that he's done a good job, stabilized the club financially, made them a more attractive proposition on paper, and now wants a little recompense for doing this. With the threats to his family, protests etc - would I be wrong in thinking that if Ashley had the option of two buyers, a multi-billion pound Dubai consortium or a Ken Bates type person, he would accept Ken Bate's offer just to spite the people of Newcastle? I reckon the longer the fans protest, the more likely this may be.

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KingEric7 Winner of the Tabata bet Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Patrice Evra is that which no greater can be conceived. Posts: 13,576	I can only imagine that they simply counted the amount of tickets purchased.

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KingEric7 Winner of the Tabata bet Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Patrice Evra is that which no greater can be conceived. Posts: 13,576	And the away end.....