£35m for Andy Carroll | On loan @ WHU (the big, long, useless streak of pi**...)

MPTutd · 2nd February 2011, 16:08

Bet Stevie Me is regret staying all this time now.

CnutOfAllCnuts · 2nd February 2011, 16:08

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Originally Posted by Sam.G

I should have guessed the logic would be beyond you!

Anyway, it's everywhere. He wanted to win things, is 26 and didn't see Liverpool challenging any time soon

No need to cry like a girl...

Thanks

Sam.G · 2nd February 2011, 16:10

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Originally Posted by CnutOfAllCnuts

No need to cry like a girl...

Thanks

Cry like a girl? Not at all.

Your literalness amuses me sometimes. You are clearly not stupid but you are almost autistic!

CnutOfAllCnuts · 2nd February 2011, 16:14

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Originally Posted by Sam.G

Cry like a girl? Not at all.

Your literalness amuses me sometimes. You are clearly not stupid but you are almost autistic!

Happy to amuse you.

Sam.G · 2nd February 2011, 16:15

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Originally Posted by CnutOfAllCnuts

Happy to amuse you.

RedRover · 2nd February 2011, 17:04

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Originally Posted by SATA

If United signed Andy Carroll for 35m, all those dippers who claim this a good signing would have sing a different tune

35m

for

Andy

Fecking

Carroll

Does the fact that if United had signed him all United fans would be defending it not undermine your point slightly?

Just a thought.

Cina · 2nd February 2011, 17:06

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Originally Posted by RedRover

Does the fact that if United had signed him all United fans would be defending it not undermine your point slightly?

Just a thought.

I doubt it. Nobody defended the Berbatov price, which was clearly too much, or the Rio price back then either.

To be fair, I don't know any Scouser fans myself who actually think that fee was justified.

Kraftwerker · 2nd February 2011, 18:03

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Originally Posted by B9

of course not.

I am pleased that we have invested ambitiously in replacements for a striker who didn't want to be here. At this point in time, due to the situation the club is currently in, I am pleased we are ambitious gamblers rather than cautious losers.

Were you pleased when you invested ambitiously in Aquilani and Johnson under Hicks and Gillett?

Spending close to £40m on those two was certainly an 'ambitious gamble'.

Name Changed · 2nd February 2011, 18:08

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Originally Posted by Sam.G

You lot are making far too much of the fee.

If Ferguson wants a player, he will generally pay what it takes. If that means paying a few extra million, he will still do it.

No way would he pay 35m for Andy Carroll.

How much did United pay for Hernandez? I know who I'd prefer!

Sam.G · 2nd February 2011, 18:12

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Originally Posted by Name Changed

No way would he pay 35m for Andy Carroll.

No, but he'll pay £7m for a streetkid from the Portugese 3rd division or wherever he's from.

The point being, if Ferguson wants a player, he'll pay whatever it takes.

Kraftwerker · 2nd February 2011, 18:16

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Originally Posted by Sam.G

No, but he'll pay £7m for a streetkid from the Portugese 3rd division or wherever he's from.

The point being, if Ferguson wants a player, he'll pay whatever it takes.

£7m is a nothing fee. He was also playing in the Portuguese top division, and was an Under-21.

That's also the upper end of fees reported. Retarded comparison (as usual).

Ole's_toe_poke · 2nd February 2011, 18:22

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Originally Posted by Sam.G

No, but he'll pay £7m for a streetkid from the Portugese 3rd division or wherever he's from.

The point being, if Ferguson wants a player, he'll pay whatever it takes.

7 million vs 35 million? Fucking hell.

Even if Bebe doesn't become good we'll still probably be able to flog him for 4-5 million based on the fact that he's played in the PL and UCL etc. etc.

If Carroll is a failure you'll stand to lose a lot of money on him. This is what SAF means by a value signing.

While it is true that SAF has made some expensive punts in the past this is usually with good logical thinking. For example we paid 25 million for Rooney after he'd been successful in the PL and in the Euros. It is a lot of money for a kid but its still a relatively safe bet.

What you have done is pay 35 million on a player with 6 months worth of PL experience (might pay off but very risky). Please don't compare this to SAF's usually calculated gambles.

kouroux · 2nd February 2011, 18:23

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Originally Posted by Sam.G

No, but he'll pay £7m for a streetkid from the Portugese 3rd division or wherever he's from.

The point being, if Ferguson wants a player, he'll pay whatever it takes.

Very true however the difference is that Ferguson knows very well when to do it and when it's not right.Of course he makes mistakes but in comparison to this 35m£ Carroll, well there is nothing to compare.He's on another level tbh
A lot of money spent on an okish player

Kraftwerker · 2nd February 2011, 18:25

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Originally Posted by Ole's_toe_poke

7 million vs 35 million? Fucking hell.

Even if Bebe doesn't become good we'll still probably be able to flog him for 4-5 million based on the fact that he's played in the PL and UCL etc. etc.

If Carroll is a failure you'll stand to lose a lot of money on him. This is what SAF means by a value signing.

While it is true that SAF has made some expensive punts in the past this is usually with good logical thinking. For example we paid 25 million for Rooney after he'd been successful in the PL and in the Euros. It is a lot of money for a kid but its still a relatively safe bet.

What you have done is pay 35 million on a player with 6 months worth of PL experience (might pay off but very risky). Please don't compare this to SAF's usually calculated gambles.

And who was available for £1m (to West Ham) little over a year ago, but Steve Clarke didn't think he was good enough.

That's what I find funniest in all this.

Randall Flagg · 2nd February 2011, 18:26

Dont forget when Berbatov was going through his indifferent 2 seasons we were all told to ignore his price tag. It wasnt his fault etc...

But I really think the Caf are going on far too much about this deal. Pool needed to bring in 2 players they identified their targets and got them end of story.

I am sure Carroll will do well for the club and thats all that really matters. They had the cash and they spent it and will again in the summer.

I wonder what you would all propose they did intead of this deal? Just Suarez and N'Gog?

Sam.G · 2nd February 2011, 18:27

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Originally Posted by Kraftwerker

£7m is a nothing fee. He was also playing in the Portuguese top division, and was an Under-21.

Nothing fee? It's £7m on an absolute nobody.

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That's also the upper end of fees reported.

They normally are, Red. Do you think Liverpool paid £35m in cash? Don't think so my friend.

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Retarded comparison (as usual).

And there's the predictable insult from the internet's hardest man! Or whatever it was you claimed to be..

I_live_cement · 2nd February 2011, 18:29

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Originally Posted by Randall Flagg

I wonder what you would all propose they did intead of this deal? Just Suarez and N'Gog?

Yes, then buy Carroll (or another striker) for a smaller fee in the summer.

Sam.G · 2nd February 2011, 18:30

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Originally Posted by Ole's_toe_poke

7 million vs 35 million? Fucking hell.

It's the principle.

I picked your streetkid but I could have picked Hargreaves or Anderson or Nani or Veron or Rooney or Carrick or Keane or Pallister or Berbatov.. All transfer fees that were over the odds at the time.

If Ferguson wants a player, he'll pay for them. Whatever the cost.

Sam.G · 2nd February 2011, 18:34

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Originally Posted by Randall Flagg

Dont forget when Berbatov was going through his indifferent 2 seasons we were all told to ignore his price tag. It wasnt his fault etc...

But I really think the Caf are going on far too much about this deal. Pool needed to bring in 2 players they identified their targets and got them end of story.

I am sure Carroll will do well for the club and thats all that really matters. They had the cash and they spent it and will again in the summer.

I wonder what you would all propose they did intead of this deal? Just Suarez and N'Gog?

Looks like you've got it, RF!

Ole's_toe_poke · 2nd February 2011, 18:35

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Originally Posted by Sam.G

It's the principle.

I picked your streetkid but I could have picked Hargreaves or Anderson or Nani or Veron or Rooney or Carrick or Keane or Pallister or Berbatov.. All transfer fees that were over the odds at the time.

If Ferguson wants a player, he'll pay for them. Whatever the cost.

Did you even read the rest of my post?

We've paid over the odds many times. Its not the cost but the thought going into paying the cost. I see no logic in paying 35 million for Carroll. I see logic in paying over the odds for all the United players you mentioned apart from Anderson perhaps.

Sam.G · 2nd February 2011, 18:37

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Originally Posted by Ole's_toe_poke

Did you even read the rest of my post?

We've paid over the odds many times. Its not the cost but the thought going into paying the cost. I see no logic in paying 35 million for Carroll. I see logic in paying over the odds for all the United players you mentioned apart from Anderson perhaps.

Because you personally can see no logic in the Carroll deal, it doesn't mean it doesn't exist. In fact, the fact you can't see it, probably means it does!

No offence!

Kraftwerker · 2nd February 2011, 18:38

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Originally Posted by Sam.G

Nothing fee? It's £7m on an absolute nobody.

£7m is a nothing fee in terms of top club transfers. It's pocket change compared to the £35m you've just blown on Carroll.

Bebe's an absolute nobody to you maybe. Not to our European scouts and our people in Portugal - they haven't served us too bad so far doncha think?

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They normally are, Red. Do you think Liverpool paid £35m in cash? Don't think so my friend.

No, apparently it's £35m plus extras, which makes it even funnier.

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And there's the predictable insult from the internet's hardest man! Or whatever it was you claimed to be..

Dry your eyes, the comparison was retarded, not you.

You only insult your own intelligence with such retarded comparisons, you see.

And what did I tell you before about having a go at people for doing things you do yourself? Only an hour ago you were calling someone autistic.

Or is it OK for you to insult people because you're a special snowflake?

Ole's_toe_poke · 2nd February 2011, 18:39

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Originally Posted by Sam.G

Because you personally can see no logic in the Carroll deal, it doesn't mean it doesn't exist. In fact, the fact you can't see it, probably means it does!

No offence!

Sam.G · 2nd February 2011, 18:40

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Originally Posted by Kraftwerker

No, apparently it's £35m plus extras, which makes it even funnier.

Actually, apparently it's only £30m.

But that's for another day and I don't want to spoil your dick measuring fun!

Kraftwerker · 2nd February 2011, 18:42

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Originally Posted by Sam.G

Actually, apparently it's only £30m.

But that's for another day and I don't want to spoil your dick measuring fun!

OK special snowflake.

Whatever makes you feel better.

Sam.G · 2nd February 2011, 18:44

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Originally Posted by Kraftwerker

And what did I tell you before about having a go at people for doing things you do yourself? Only an hour ago you were calling someone autistic.

Wasn't having a go, Red. Was merely pointing you normally throw around insults in a lot of your posts. Where I'm from it normally indicates the argument is lost. That's why I never have to revert to it, you see?!

But carry on!

Kraftwerker · 2nd February 2011, 19:01

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Originally Posted by Sam.G

Wasn't having a go, Red. Was merely pointing you normally throw around insults in a lot of your posts. Where I'm from it normally indicates the argument is lost. That's why I never have to revert to it, you see?!

But carry on!

If the cap fits - your comparison was retarded, I highlighted it as so. Don't take it personally sammy, learn from it.

I find it very hard to take your victim act seriously regarding the insults, when you were calling someone autistic in this very thread a few posts back.

You kind of set yourself up to be insulted when you dish it out yourself, don't you think?

retardman5 · 2nd February 2011, 19:15

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Originally Posted by CnutOfAllCnuts

Basically, skausers, are you pleased that you now have got Carroll and not Torres?

The Torres of the first 2 seasons - NO

The sulky, couldn't give a shit Torres from the past 18 months - YES

204Red · 2nd February 2011, 19:22

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Originally Posted by Sam.G

Actually, apparently it's only £30m.

But that's for another day and I don't want to spoil your dick measuring fun!

I do have a question for the Scousers

Wouldn't you have been better off with some sort of short term solution striker rather than gambling your future in the way you have done? I understand Torres leaving left you in a bit of a bind, but by the sounds of things you lot knew this was a possibility several weeks back... and there were a host of cheaper short term options (Abebayor, Agbondahor, Pavlechenko, Forlan, Benzema, even retreds like Herskey, Keane or Crouch) who would have taken you to the summer where you would have had more time to plot the future of your club.

There is no going back from Carroll, and at 35 Million you will stick with him thick and thin giving him ever chance to prove his value... Is he the right guy? That's one hell of a gamble you've taken. We could afford to do this with Veron, because we had a bloody good side around him. The Liverpool side that will surround Carroll is nowhere near as good as our 2001-2003 side.

RedRover · 2nd February 2011, 22:40

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Originally Posted by kouroux

Very true however the difference is that Ferguson knows very well when to do it and when it's not right.Of course he makes mistakes but in comparison to this 35m£ Carroll, well there is nothing to compare.He's on another level tbh
A lot of money spent on an okish player

To be fair that's questionable. Veron cost a fortune and just didn't fit into the system at all and there are plenty of others - especially goalkeepers - who've never looked like United players. Point is every transfer is a risk and teh failures add up.

Liverpool paid over the odds for a player who may have cost £10 - £15 million less in the summer, although even thats not certain given Spurs interest in him which would surely have pushed up the price after their £23 million bid was already rejected.

They paid a premium because of time and circumstance and because he plays for an english club. Its like asking what Hernandez would be worth now. But in the grand scheme of things over paying by £10 or so million wont bother a premiership club if they get the player they want. Fergie has done it time and again, shattering transfer records since he first took over.

Regardless of what people seem to think, most people commenting who have played the game seem to rate him very highly. I wouldn't be so quick to write him off.

VII · 3rd February 2011, 01:53

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Originally Posted by Plechazunga

Imagine being taken for a ride by Newcastle United

It's like getting mugged by a bloke with Down syndrome

Brwned · 3rd February 2011, 02:04

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Originally Posted by Sam.G

It's the principle.

I picked your streetkid but I could have picked Hargreaves or Anderson or Nani or Veron or Rooney or Carrick or Keane or Pallister or Berbatov.. All transfer fees that were over the odds at the time.

If Ferguson wants a player, he'll pay for them. Whatever the cost.

You're right that if Sir Alex wants a player he usually does his utmost to get them, but I don't think he'd have gone and overspent quite as much nor would he have been pressured into doing it so quickly and rashly. We've waited on players before - Hargreaves out of that list was courted by United but we waited a full year to get him rather than paying the excessive amount we would have been forced to pay.

Sir Alex generally isn't under the kind of pressure that Dalglish was under to do something quickly given how long he's been at the club and how Torres' request came about so that's a big factor in why we've not seen Sir Alex do something quite so rash, but for the same reason that's why we can't make a particularly useful comparison between the two.

He's relentless in his pursuit but rarely if ever has he been forced to pay over the odds to that extent.

RedRonaldo · 3rd February 2011, 03:52

35 fecking million for some player who hasn't achieve anything yet. One would expect he has as much talent as the likes of Rooney, Berbatov or let's say Augero, Pato.

Sam.G · 3rd February 2011, 07:17

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Originally Posted by Brwned

He's relentless in his pursuit but rarely if ever has he been forced to pay over the odds to that extent.

Ok, Liverpool paid £10m over the odds and Ferguson only ever pays £7m over - or whatever figure you want to put on it.

The principle remains though; Ferguson will pay what it takes to get the players he wants just as the King did for Carroll.

Is he worth it? Time will tell.

Lynott · 3rd February 2011, 08:35

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Originally Posted by Randall Flagg

Dont forget when Berbatov was going through his indifferent 2 seasons we were all told to ignore his price tag. It wasnt his fault etc...

But I really think the Caf are going on far too much about this deal. Pool needed to bring in 2 players they identified their targets and got them end of story.

I am sure Carroll will do well for the club and thats all that really matters. They had the cash and they spent it and will again in the summer.

I wonder what you would all propose they did intead of this deal? Just Suarez and N'Gog?

Yeah, people making some real fools of themselves in here.

Viper KGB · 3rd February 2011, 09:33

What do people think of this?

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Yesterday marked the third time Kenny Dalglish has broken the English transfer record for a Geordie striker. On the previous two occasions it worked out pretty well.

In 1987, Peter Beardsley arrived for £1.9m, and Liverpool turned into arguably the finest English club side seen to date (certainly few have bettered that red vintage). The Reds won the league that season, and in a three year spell were one win away from completing the league and cup double each time.

In 1992, Dalglish paid £3.3m (£22m Current Transfer Purchase Price/CTPP) for Alan Shearer, and within three years Blackburn were English champions. Dalglish stepped down, and a year later Shearer was sold to Newcastle for a new British record fee, £15m (£39m CTPP). When he was signed by Dalglish, Shearer, 22, had scored just 20 league goals since his debut five years earlier; but at Blackburn he reached that figure within months.

So if that offers no guarantee of a repeating pattern, it does show that Dalglish can spot a good striker, especially if they’re from the north-east.

It’s fair to say that Liverpool have paid a premium for Andy Carroll; indeed, several, based on a number of factors that need taking into account.

But what a player is worth is subjective. It’s worth he’s worth to the selling club, and what he’s worth to the buying club, and where they meet in the middle. Then there’s the fact that a player’s worth after the move can’t be determined until he proves it, one way or the other.

When Chelsea paid £30m for Shevchenko (£53m CTPP), everyone thought they were getting a world-class striker. Instead they got some confused Ukrainian bumbling around with roughly the same scoring rate as his freebie fellow countryman, Voronin (less the divine ponytail, more the bovine ponytail). Within a few years, it was Shevchenko who was the free transfer.

Why the extra on Carroll?

For starters, Newcastle may have been happy to cash in, but were not desperate to sell. They also had another interested party, in Spurs, but the player chose Liverpool. A number of interested parties can keep a price high, or drive it up further.

Then there’s the fact that he’s English. This means that he will qualify for home-grown quotas, and it also means that he understands the league; it doesn’t mean he will definitely adapt to the pressure at Liverpool, or the style of play, but it does mean that he won’t be shellshocked at the pace or physicality of the game. If anything, he is perfect for it.

Next, there’s his age: 22 last month. People are making comparisons with other big-money deals, saying that David Villa, for example, cost only £34m, and of course he’s a better player. But Valencia were cash-strapped and desperate, and Villa was 28. Barcelona, with their incredible team, don’t need to worry about the fact that in two years’ time his value will have halved (our research for Pay As You Play backs this up with clear data), and in three years’ time, at 31, you’re talking ‘nominal fee’. (Also, had David Villa been available this January for £34m and willing to come to England, he still might have been considered. Who knows? Fact is, he wasn’t.)

But of course, while Carroll will be on £80,000 a week, Villa will cost Barcelona several million more each season in terms of wages, on top of massive depreciation. Just look closer at home, to Yaya Toure. He’ll set back Manchester City £5m more per season than Carroll will cost Liverpool. So yes, it was a high fee initially, but it didn’t come with ludicrous wage demands that will harm the balance books for seasons to come.

Fenway Sports Group also had to show that they mean business. They weren’t going to spend for spending’s sake, or to impress the fans, but they had to make a statement of intent, ahead of the summer, by which time other star players may be questioning their ability to buy big. The insistence on £50m cash for Torres showed a refusal to be bullied.

Losing Torres was a body blow, and some kind of replacement was necessary; with Suarez already on board (who himself could prove to be worth £40m if he repeats his Ajax and Uruguay form), it was essential to get someone who could complement him. If Suarez and Carroll exceed the sum of their parts, they’ll prove great value for money.

Next, there’s the fact that this was the last transfer window amnesty with regard to the Financial Fair Play Rules. Spending £35m on Carroll (or anyone else) in the summer would not make as much business sense as doing so now. This explains Chelsea’s desperation to sign Torres, and due to the lateness of their bid, Liverpool were forced to pay a deadline day premium to end the window with a strengthened rather than a weakened squad.

And of course, even before taking the chaos of deadline day into account, mid-season windows come with their own premium. But with a star striker leaving, and his planned partner having already just signed, there was a big hole in the forward line (which has been short in terms of numbers for a while now). Carroll fills that big hole.

Talking of which, here’s a quote from ‘Mind Games: How the Boston Red Sox Got Smart, Won a World Series, and created a New Blue Print for Winning.’

“If there was a mission statement for the Red Sox of the future, it was this: be the Yankees, but smarter… Fill holes above market prices when necessary.”

Look at it like this. If Arsene Wenger had spent £40m on one of the world’s best keepers by now, Arsenal may be top of the league table. It’s hypothetical, but it shows that one area of weakness can do more damage than paying over the odds would cause to fix it.

Moneyballs

The Moneyball theory is often misused and misquoted. Sabermetrics is bandied about regarding John W Henry as if everything from baseball will apply to football. He knows that’s not the case.

In this excellent piece, Fulham fan and TTT contributor/subscriber Rich Allen nails a lot of the issues, in a way that many mainstream journalists have failed to grasp regarding the policy.

Moneyball? I think you’d define it as making decisions for a reason. They [Red Sox] bought in a number of good, undervalued players, but realised that this alone isn’t enough to win things, so supplemented these core parts with superstar talents like Curt Schilling.

…

Let’s bring this back to Liverpool. One of the issues NESV had with the current squad, and also Roy Hodgson’s signings, is that the players are all relatively old. This is generally when a player is over-valued: they have built up big contracts but are probably past their peak; they are trading on their fame now, not necessarily the ability that earned this fame in the first place. So there’ll be a big emphasis on young talent, talent coming into its peak and which might then be usefully sold on in due course. (The Torres deal is terrific for them, too: a player who was briefly great, but has since only been good, but who still commands the fee of a great player).

Liverpool have replaced a striker about to turn 27 with two who average out at 23. As I said in yesterday’s piece, the club have bought a strike-force. Torres missed a lot of games in the past two and a half seasons; and with just one of him, he was being paid while the team was shorn of his talents. Carroll may not be as good as Torres, but if he’s fit more often, and if his attitude is better, he’ll be of more use.

Big Buys

In terms of transfer fees, Carroll’s move may rank as the 9th-highest in the world right now, but none of this takes into account inflation. By doing just that (England, Premier League era only) it wouldn’t even rank in the top 10, even before Torres’ £50m fee is inserted into 2nd position. (Carlos Tevez’s fee is taken as the £25m originally reported, not the £47m some later claimed, which I’d guess includes wages over the length of his contract.)

Now, Jose Antonio Reyes’ inclusion does not appear in Pay As You Play at the price below, but rather the fee that was eventually paid (£21.2m CTPP). However, the £17m (in 2003/04) that could have been paid, had all clauses been met, would now equate to £35.6m. Even more surprising is that Shaun Wright-Phillips cost Chelsea £38.3m in today’s money.
1 Chelsea Shevchenko A £53,524,884
2 Man Utd Rooney W £49,119,283
3 Man Utd Ferdinand R £48,409,013
4 Chelsea Essien M £47,443,584
5 Chelsea Drogba D £43,661,585
6 N’castle Shearer A £39,683,045
7 Chelsea Wright-Phillips £38,319,818
8 Man Utd Veron J £36,829,602
9 Chelsea Carvalho R £36,111,770
10 Arsenal Reyes J £35,567,844
11 Chelsea Duff D £34,355,304
12 Chelsea Crespo H £33,951,124
13 Man Utd Carrick M £32,323,469
14 Leeds Ferdinand R £32,037,760
15 Chelsea Mutu A £31,930,223
16 N’castle Owen M £31,020,805
17 Man Utd Yorke D £30,864,726
18 Chelsea Makelele C £28,090,513
19 Chelsea Cole A £27,805,135
20 Chelsea Hasselbaink J £26,698,133
21 Man Utd Cole AA £26,520,170
22 Man Utd Saha L £25,968,568
23 Liverpool Cisse D £25,833,105
24 Liverpool Heskey E £25,813,374
25 Man Utd Stam J £25,720,605

Ultimately, a club is buying what a player will hopefully do for them, not what he did for someone else. At £31m CTPP, Michael Owen was a world star when Newcastle bought him; something that cannot be said for Andy Carroll.

But Owen was 26, lacking that extra yard of pace that made him so famous, and dogged by injuries for a fair few years. His reputation was better than the reality. When he was fit he did well enough. But he scored just 26 league goals in four injury-ravaged years and left on a free transfer. £31m, plus all those wages, for very little return. A megastar of English football, who delivered terrible value for money, and whose contract expired at a point when he’d have been worth precious little, had he still been tied down on a longer deal.

Now of course, no-one knows how a transfer will pan out. So only time will tell if Liverpool overpaid for Carroll. What I do know is that, even at that money, all the Newcastle fans I’ve spoken to are sad to see him go. And if Liverpool improve as a result of replacing Torres with Carroll and Suarez, then at more-or-less break-even, that’s good enough for me.

Andy Carroll: Is He Worth It? | The Tomkins Times | Paul Tomkins' blog about Liverpool Football Club (LFC)

I'm glad he's not my accountant, his interpretation of inflation is ridiculous

Man Utd Carrick M 18.6m (potentially) is £32,323,469 after 4 and a half years

GaryLifo · 3rd February 2011, 09:52

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Originally Posted by Viper KGB

What do people think of this?

Andy Carroll: Is He Worth It? | The Tomkins Times | Paul Tomkins' blog about Liverpool Football Club (LFC)

I'm glad he's not my accountant, his interpretation of inflation is ridiculous

Man Utd Carrick M 18.6m (potentially) is £32,323,469 after 4 and a half years

Exactly, they paid 18 million for Mascherano a year or so later and he's not on that list.

Torres at £23 million was three years ago and should definitely be on that list.

Lynott · 3rd February 2011, 10:38

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Originally Posted by Viper KGB

What do people think of this?

Andy Carroll: Is He Worth It? | The Tomkins Times | Paul Tomkins' blog about Liverpool Football Club (LFC)

I'm glad he's not my accountant, his interpretation of inflation is ridiculous

Man Utd Carrick M 18.6m (potentially) is £32,323,469 after 4 and a half years

Does that make sense to anyone?
Where is Berbatov and Keane and mascherano as mentioned? Did these transfers take place when the inflation rate was exteremely low?

IrishLegend · 3rd February 2011, 12:22

To be fair his points about signing Younger players, on lower salaries makes alot of sense.

The inflation figures and the other stuff is just bollocks.

Pimpy the Magic Elf · 3rd February 2011, 14:35

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Originally Posted by IrishLegend

To be fair his points about signing Younger players, on lower salaries makes alot of sense.

Not really. Because in six moths tops Carroll's agent will be renegotiating the contract and demand a 150.000 quid a month payday.

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MPTutd Reserve Team Player Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: London Posts: 4,215	Bet Stevie Me is regret staying all this time now.

2nd February 2011, 18:26	#175 (permalink)
Randall Flagg shitline Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 24,910	Dont forget when Berbatov was going through his indifferent 2 seasons we were all told to ignore his price tag. It wasnt his fault etc... But I really think the Caf are going on far too much about this deal. Pool needed to bring in 2 players they identified their targets and got them end of story. I am sure Carroll will do well for the club and thats all that really matters. They had the cash and they spent it and will again in the summer. I wonder what you would all propose they did intead of this deal? Just Suarez and N'Gog?

3rd February 2011, 03:52	#193 (permalink)
RedRonaldo First Team Sub Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 5,664	35 fecking million for some player who hasn't achieve anything yet. One would expect he has as much talent as the likes of Rooney, Berbatov or let's say Augero, Pato.

3rd February 2011, 12:22	#199 (permalink)
IrishLegend Reserve Team Player Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: W3103 Row:11 Seat:115 Posts: 2,074	To be fair his points about signing Younger players, on lower salaries makes alot of sense. The inflation figures and the other stuff is just bollocks.