70s Retro Football Fantasy Championship - DRAFT THREAD

Cling Bak · 18th January 2012, 20:21

Quote:

Originally Posted by antohan

That stays, what people have suggested, which is fair, is that the group winner picks first and fourth while whoever comes second gets second and third pick.

I guess it's not great to be last, but you get two VERY GOOD WORLD CLASS players whereby I get one of the best but my second pick is unlikely to be even world class.

Being somewhere in the middle looks best to me.

I'd say you're middle of the road if you're 8th or near it. Being first is obviously most preferable.

antohan · 18th January 2012, 20:33

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Originally Posted by Cling Bak

I'd say you're middle of the road if you're 8th or near it. Being first is obviously most preferable.

Nah, I get Zidane, who is brilliant but then I have to wait for 30 players to go before I have another go. I pick two more, then 30 players more...

If you are in the middle you get the 8th best player (probably one you would rank higher actually) and only have to wait 15 players at a time.

In particular, that gives you a lot more flexibility to take risks and make judgement calls when picking. There are players you could make an educated guess no one will pick in the next 15 picks, or you could have 3-4 options for a specific position and it is relatively safe to assume one will be left over, but you have no idea what will happen in 30.

If suddenly everyone starts picking all the CBs within 15 you are bound to still get a decent one (a top 10). After 30 picks you get Titus Bramble left over.

Cal? · 18th January 2012, 20:40

Just to clarify, group winner gets picks 1&3, runners up get 2&4, otherwise there's too little incentive to win the groups.

antohan · 18th January 2012, 20:41

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Originally Posted by Cal?

Just to clarify, group winner gets picks 1&3, runners up get 2&4, otherwise there's too little incentive to win the groups.

Sorry, my bad, I'll delete that

Snow · 18th January 2012, 20:50

Quote:

Originally Posted by antohan

That stays, what people have suggested, which is fair, is that the group winner and second placed team take turns.

I guess it's not great to be last, but you get two VERY GOOD WORLD CLASS players whereby I get one of the best but my second pick is unlikely to be even world class.

Being somewhere in the middle looks best to me.

I prefer given a chance to be near the top but random is random. You have Zidane. Doesn't matter who your next midfield pick is. But there's lots left to go. If I'm smart I pull it off.

Cal? · 18th January 2012, 20:54

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snow

I prefer given a chance to be near the top but random is random. You have Zidane. Doesn't matter who your next midfield pick is. But there's lots left to go. If I'm smart I pull it off.

Personally I prefer near the top as well, but I guess it's all personal...

antohan · 18th January 2012, 21:15

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cal?

Personally I prefer near the top as well, but I guess it's all personal...

You have a very good spot, so does Gio. There's not really too much separating the top picks.

Snow's is actually everything that is wrong about mine, but at the other end. The upside is with some players out and things shaping up he gets to pick a combo in one go early on, which is not a bad thing at all.

Anyhow, there's an element of luck in it and some players do seem to go under the radar entirely. In the 60s version that could point out to a player not being particularly well known and subsequently not impressing voters, but here there's no excuse for not knowing a player.

Where the hell is KM?

Gio · 18th January 2012, 22:25

I'd say there's three players a class above anything else in the draft and as such the top three teams have an advantage there. Otherwise there's not a massive difference. The advantage I noticed in the 60's draft was being at either end of the order allowed pairs of players to be picked. For example, a pair of complementary central defenders.

Cling Bak · 18th January 2012, 22:33

Quote:

Originally Posted by antohan

Nah, I get Zidane, who is brilliant but then I have to wait for 30 players to go before I have another go. I pick two more, then 30 players more...

If you are in the middle you get the 8th best player (probably one you would rank higher actually) and only have to wait 15 players at a time.

In particular, that gives you a lot more flexibility to take risks and make judgement calls when picking. There are players you could make an educated guess no one will pick in the next 15 picks, or you could have 3-4 options for a specific position and it is relatively safe to assume one will be left over, but you have no idea what will happen in 30.

If suddenly everyone starts picking all the CBs within 15 you are bound to still get a decent one (a top 10). After 30 picks you get Titus Bramble left over.

But... You went first! Ergo, you get the best player. You say you have to wait 30 picks, but after that and when you've pick again... You then get to go first again!

Perhaps ask those in 7, 8 or 9 positions to trade. They'll be biting your hand off. So am I, fancy it?!

Zen · 18th January 2012, 22:36

I wouldn't. In a talent pool as deep as this one, I am more than happy in the middle.

antohan · 18th January 2012, 23:12

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cling Bak

But... You went first! Ergo, you get the best player. You say you have to wait 30 picks, but after that and when you've pick again... You then get to go first again!

Perhaps ask those in 7, 8 or 9 positions to trade. They'll be biting your hand off. So am I, fancy it?!

Henry was not even in my first 16 possible picks, so no.

The only one I would conceivably trade with so far is Cal. I actually had a hard time not picking

but managed to keep a cool head.

I understand the order is favourable, that is obvious, and I appreciate that I get the chance to pick complementary players as a combo, but my point is that as the first couple of rounds are gone there's a whole strategy around picks and risk-taking which can make the difference big time and getting less regular picks will be a problem there.

But then, maybe I'm over-analysing it.

Snow · 18th January 2012, 23:12

Quote:

Originally Posted by antohan

You have a very good spot, so does Gio. There's not really too much separating the top picks.

Snow's is actually everything that is wrong about mine, but at the other end. The upside is with some players out and things shaping up he gets to pick a combo in one go early on, which is not a bad thing at all.

Anyhow, there's an element of luck in it and some players do seem to go under the radar entirely. In the 60s version that could point out to a player not being particularly well known and subsequently not impressing voters, but here there's no excuse for not knowing a player.

Where the hell is KM?

At the top you get to start with Zidane and pick players in combos. How's that not better than being at the bottom?

Cling Bak · 18th January 2012, 23:26

Quote:

Originally Posted by antohan

Henry was not even in my first 16 possible picks, so no.

Of course he wasn't.

Snow · 19th January 2012, 01:27

Btw, great timing to start the draft the only day when Wikipedia is down

Team Brian GB · 19th January 2012, 01:43

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Originally Posted by Snow

Btw, great timing to start the draft the only day when Wikipedia is down

This is the link to the mobile site which is operational.

en.m.wikipedia.org

Snow · 19th January 2012, 01:47

Not when I search something. Goes straight to the normal site.

antohan · 19th January 2012, 01:49

KM has had his 6 hours, he can post his when he comes online.

Over to Ralaks as kps88 PMed me his pick...

the Ginger Fu Master

antohan · 19th January 2012, 01:52

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Originally Posted by Snow

Not when I search something. Goes straight to the normal site.

You probably have plenty of time at the speed it is moving.

If it is ages you are checking try switching to es.wikipedia which isn't down. It's in Spanish, but for that purpose it works.

antohan · 19th January 2012, 01:55

1 Antohan: 1. ZIDANE
2 DanNistelrooy: 1. RONALDO
3 Rood: 1. RIVALDO
4 TheReligion: 1. NESTA
5 Cal? 1. KEANO
6 Gio 1. DAVIDS
7 Cling Bak 1. HENRY
8 KM 1. <EMPTY>
9 kps88 1. SCHOLES
10 Ralaks
11 Cold Boy
12 Zen
13 Crustanoid
14 Brwned
15 Team Brian
16 Snow

Snow · 19th January 2012, 01:58

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Originally Posted by antohan

You probably have plenty of time at the speed it is moving. And it's not like you need to do much research at this stage!

Hehe. I know. It's just, like Alanis Morisette would say, ironic.

I'll definitely do research. I made stupid mistakes the last time. Gonna be sure now what I do.

antohan · 19th January 2012, 01:59

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snow

Hehe. I know. It's just, like Alanis Morisette would say, ironic.

I'll definitely do research. I made stupid mistakes the last time. Gonna be sure now what I do.

Just edited message, es.wiki is fine if it is dates you are after

Team Brian GB · 19th January 2012, 01:59

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snow

Not when I search something. Goes straight to the normal site.

It does but you just have to insert 'm' into the domain in the right place and it will take you where you want to go.

KM · 19th January 2012, 02:57

I choose Vieira

Also I don't think I'll be able to play this game, so if anyone else wants to take my spot they are free to do so.

Ralaks · 19th January 2012, 03:31

First pick is very hard with so many legends to pick from, I'm going for Pavel Nedved!

Pavel Nedved reacts to being picked by Ralaks for a football draft.

Ralaks · 19th January 2012, 03:32

1 Antohan: 1. ZIDANE
2 DanNistelrooy: 1. RONALDO
3 Rood: 1. RIVALDO
4 TheReligion: 1. NESTA
5 Cal? 1. KEANO
6 Gio 1. DAVIDS
7 Cling Bak 1. HENRY
8 KM 1. VIEIRA
9 kps88 1. SCHOLES
10 Ralaks 1. NEDVED
11 Cold Boy
12 Zen
13 Crustanoid
14 Brwned
15 Team Brian
16 Snow

Jayvin · 19th January 2012, 03:58

KM i'd love to take your spot if you can't play. I've sent you a PM.

Interval Level · 19th January 2012, 03:59

Quote:

Originally Posted by KM

I choose Vieira

Also I don't think I'll be able to play this game, so if anyone else wants to take my spot they are free to do so.

I'll take it.

Cold_Boy · 19th January 2012, 04:57

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ralaks

First pick is very hard with so many legends to pick from, I'm going for Pavel Nedved!

Pavel Nedved reacts to being picked by Ralaks for a football draft.

He was my first choice.

Anyways my Choice now : Jaap Stam

You dont wanna mess with my team.

Zen · 19th January 2012, 05:05

1 Antohan: 1. ZIDANE
2 DanNistelrooy: 1. RONALDO
3 Rood: 1. RIVALDO
4 TheReligion: 1. NESTA
5 Cal? 1. KEANO
6 Gio 1. DAVIDS
7 Cling Bak 1. HENRY
8 KM 1. VIEIRA
9 kps88 1. SCHOLES
10 Ralaks 1. NEDVED
11 Cold Boy 1. STAM
12 Zen 1. TOTTI
13 Crustanoid
14 Brwned
15 Team Brian
16 Snow

Jayvin · 19th January 2012, 06:06

Since KM has stated he won't be able to participate further in this edition of the Football Fantasy Championship, i have agreed to take his place. If Cal? could edit the OP that would be fantastic.

Thanks.

Rood · 19th January 2012, 09:28

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cling Bak

Just noticed this. Against one another...

Yes first time we go against each other! its like Fergie vs Quieroz

antohan · 19th January 2012, 09:49

Shit, I was really keen on Nedved.

If Crustanoid doesn't pick by 12:05 he gets Heskey and the baton passes to Brwned.

TheReligion · 19th January 2012, 09:53

This is taking bloody ages

antohan · 19th January 2012, 10:20

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheReligion

This is taking bloody ages

It will be more agile once people are willing to PM their pick in advance, for some reason only kps88 has done it so far.

Rood · 19th January 2012, 10:26

Quote:

Originally Posted by antohan

Shit, I was really keen on Nedved.

You seriously thought there was any chance that he would be available by the time you pick again?
I was suprised that he hadnt gone already - IMO he was better than Davids or Viera at their peaks.

Gio · 19th January 2012, 10:28

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheReligion

This is taking bloody ages

It was 12 hours per pick last time!

Gio · 19th January 2012, 10:29

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rood

You seriously thought there was any chance that he would be available by the time you pick again?
I was suprised that he hadnt gone already - IMO he was better than Davids or Viera at their peaks.

Different type of player though.

Cling Bak · 19th January 2012, 10:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rood

Yes first time we go against each other! its like Fergie vs Quieroz

Indeed it is, Carlos...

kps88 · 19th January 2012, 10:32

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheReligion

This is taking bloody ages

Its flying compared to last time!

antohan · 19th January 2012, 10:33

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rood

You seriously thought there was any chance that he would be available by the time you pick again?
I was suprised that he hadnt gone already - IMO he was better than Davids or Viera at their peaks.

I was hoping people would focus elsewhere. Davids and Vieira are more obvious first picks as they are about giving a spine to the team.

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18th January 2012, 20:40	#43 (permalink)
Cal? from Redcafe (matchfixing department) Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: It's our perch now... Posts: 19,957	Just to clarify, group winner gets picks 1&3, runners up get 2&4, otherwise there's too little incentive to win the groups.

18th January 2012, 22:25	#48 (permalink)
Gio Reserve Team Player Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Bonnie Scotland Posts: 4,680	I'd say there's three players a class above anything else in the draft and as such the top three teams have an advantage there. Otherwise there's not a massive difference. The advantage I noticed in the 60's draft was being at either end of the order allowed pairs of players to be picked. For example, a pair of complementary central defenders.

18th January 2012, 22:36	#50 (permalink)
Zen First Team Sub Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Prophetville! Posts: 6,383	I wouldn't. In a talent pool as deep as this one, I am more than happy in the middle.

19th January 2012, 01:27	#54 (permalink)
Snow First Team Regular Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: I like turtles Posts: 12,319	Btw, great timing to start the draft the only day when Wikipedia is down

19th January 2012, 01:47	#56 (permalink)
Snow First Team Regular Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: I like turtles Posts: 12,319	Not when I search something. Goes straight to the normal site.

19th January 2012, 01:49	#57 (permalink)
antohan First Team Sub Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Montevideo Posts: 5,919	KM has had his 6 hours, he can post his when he comes online. Over to Ralaks as kps88 PMed me his pick... the Ginger Fu Master

19th January 2012, 01:55	#59 (permalink)
antohan First Team Sub Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Montevideo Posts: 5,919	1 Antohan: 1. ZIDANE 2 DanNistelrooy: 1. RONALDO 3 Rood: 1. RIVALDO 4 TheReligion: 1. NESTA 5 Cal? 1. KEANO 6 Gio 1. DAVIDS 7 Cling Bak 1. HENRY 8 KM 1. <EMPTY> 9 kps88 1. SCHOLES 10 Ralaks 11 Cold Boy 12 Zen 13 Crustanoid 14 Brwned 15 Team Brian 16 Snow

19th January 2012, 02:57	#63 (permalink)
KM First Team Regular Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Q.P.R Posts: 14,862	I choose Vieira Also I don't think I'll be able to play this game, so if anyone else wants to take my spot they are free to do so.

19th January 2012, 03:31	#64 (permalink)
Ralaks Reserve Team Player Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 3,970	First pick is very hard with so many legends to pick from, I'm going for Pavel Nedved! Pavel Nedved reacts to being picked by Ralaks for a football draft.

19th January 2012, 03:32	#65 (permalink)
Ralaks Reserve Team Player Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 3,970	1 Antohan: 1. ZIDANE 2 DanNistelrooy: 1. RONALDO 3 Rood: 1. RIVALDO 4 TheReligion: 1. NESTA 5 Cal? 1. KEANO 6 Gio 1. DAVIDS 7 Cling Bak 1. HENRY 8 KM 1. VIEIRA 9 kps88 1. SCHOLES 10 Ralaks 1. NEDVED 11 Cold Boy 12 Zen 13 Crustanoid 14 Brwned 15 Team Brian 16 Snow

19th January 2012, 03:58	#66 (permalink)
Jayvin Reserve Team Player Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Australia Posts: 982	KM i'd love to take your spot if you can't play. I've sent you a PM.

19th January 2012, 05:05	#69 (permalink)
Zen First Team Sub Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Prophetville! Posts: 6,383	1 Antohan: 1. ZIDANE 2 DanNistelrooy: 1. RONALDO 3 Rood: 1. RIVALDO 4 TheReligion: 1. NESTA 5 Cal? 1. KEANO 6 Gio 1. DAVIDS 7 Cling Bak 1. HENRY 8 KM 1. VIEIRA 9 kps88 1. SCHOLES 10 Ralaks 1. NEDVED 11 Cold Boy 1. STAM 12 Zen 1. TOTTI 13 Crustanoid 14 Brwned 15 Team Brian 16 Snow

19th January 2012, 06:06	#70 (permalink)
Jayvin Reserve Team Player Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Australia Posts: 982	Since KM has stated he won't be able to participate further in this edition of the Football Fantasy Championship, i have agreed to take his place. If Cal? could edit the OP that would be fantastic. Thanks.

19th January 2012, 09:49	#72 (permalink)
antohan First Team Sub Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Montevideo Posts: 5,919	Shit, I was really keen on Nedved. If Crustanoid doesn't pick by 12:05 he gets Heskey and the baton passes to Brwned.

19th January 2012, 09:53	#73 (permalink)
TheReligion First Team Sub Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 9,461	This is taking bloody ages