70s Retro Football Fantasy Championship - DRAFT THREAD

kps88 · 14th February 2012, 06:13

Also, I think it should be made clear from now what the rule is with regards to picking new players. Does the top team get to pick two or is it alternated? Should be decided upon now before the rankings are decided.

Cold_Boy · 14th February 2012, 06:21

Quote:

Originally Posted by kps88

These drafts have always gone with head to head.

Ohh thats me through then.

KM · 14th February 2012, 06:24

It'll be a real mindfuck if Crustanoid defeats ColdBoy and Kps defeats Cal?
That would mean Coldboy, Crustanoid and KPS Have 6 points. Also that would also mean Coldboy defeats KPS, KPS defeats Crustanoid, Crustanoid defeats ColdBoy, So I'm not sure how the head to head will work here.

Cold_Boy · 14th February 2012, 06:27

Quote:

Originally Posted by KM

It'll be a real mindfuck if Crustanoid defeats ColdBoy and Kps defeats Cal?
That would mean Coldboy, Crustanoid and KPS Have 6 points. Also that would also mean Coldboy defeats KPS, KPS defeats Crustanoid, Crustanoid defeats ColdBoy, So I'm not sure how the head to head will work here.

Then we could go for the percentage of votes thing.

kps88 · 14th February 2012, 06:58

Quote:

Originally Posted by KM

It'll be a real mindfuck if Crustanoid defeats ColdBoy and Kps defeats Cal?
That would mean Coldboy, Crustanoid and KPS Have 6 points. Also that would also mean Coldboy defeats KPS, KPS defeats Crustanoid, Crustanoid defeats ColdBoy, So I'm not sure how the head to head will work here.

You just made my brain hurt. I suppose we could go with head to head first, and if its still tied then vote difference?

For what its worth, I remember Polaroid suggested a sudden death game if teams were tied for first place, but this would involve a three way tie so I'm confused.

Having said all that, I'm sleepy and I have the feeling I'm missing something with regards to the three way tie using head to head.

Cold_Boy · 14th February 2012, 07:54

Head to head

and then

Vote percentage instead of number of votes.

Anything other than this is stupid.

antohan · 14th February 2012, 11:45

Quote:

Originally Posted by kps88

Also, I think it should be made clear from now what the rule is with regards to picking new players. Does the top team get to pick two or is it alternated? Should be decided upon now before the rankings are decided.

I think we agreed the first and second placed teams alternate in picking.

1-2-1-2

Cold_Boy · 14th February 2012, 11:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by antohan

I think we agreed the first and second placed teams alternate in picking.

1-2-1-2

So 1st place gets to pick 2 players from 3rd place and 2nd place picks from 4th place?

Jayvin · 14th February 2012, 11:56

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cold_Boy

So 1st place gets to pick 2 players from 3rd place and 2nd place picks from 4th place?

Nah i think both winning players get to pick players from either of the eliminated teams.

Cold_Boy · 14th February 2012, 12:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jayvin

Nah i think both winning players get to pick players from either of the eliminated teams.

So I can pick 2 players from from any of the 2 eliminated teams?

antohan · 14th February 2012, 12:26

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cold_Boy

So I can pick 2 players from from any of the 2 eliminated teams?

Precisely.

Also agree on head to head ahead of vote percentage. Vote percentage is not a great measure either, the fact is some games look like a drubbing when in truth there was very little in them, just enough (at times a non-football reason) to make everyone vote one way as there's no draw option.

Snow · 14th February 2012, 12:26

Think it's one player each. No need to overkill it with adding 4 new players.

Gio · 14th February 2012, 12:32

Quote:

Originally Posted by antohan

I think we agreed the first and second placed teams alternate in picking.

1-2-1-2

That was my recollection. Not that it makes any difference as I'll no doubt be watching from the sidelines.

DanNistelrooy · 14th February 2012, 12:56

Can't decide whether to stick with my Brazilians or bring in some of the better players available from the teams in my group...

Cold_Boy · 14th February 2012, 13:49

Quote:

Originally Posted by DanNistelrooy

Can't decide whether to stick with my Brazilians or bring in some of the better players available from the teams in my group...

Stick with your Brazilians.

How can you compromise your long living traditions? Also you will have to change name of the team.

Don't sell your soul for a little bit more of success.

Brwned · 14th February 2012, 21:18

Quote:

Originally Posted by antohan

Looks like Brwned forgot to set the clock, or it is not 24hs.

For the record, Ralaks is 14-10 up now.

Brwned forgot to set the clock indeed. On both of them. Ralaks and Rood win.

Brwned · 14th February 2012, 21:25

Teams underlined have qualified. Teams in italics are out.

Group A
Cold Boy - 6
kps88 - 3
Crustanoid - 3
Cal? - 0

Group B
DanNistelrooy - 6
Antohan - 6
Team Brian - 0
TheReligion - 0

Group C
Brwned - 6
Cling Bak - 3
Jayvin - 3
Gio - 0

Group D
Rood - 6
Snow - 3
Ralaks - 3
Zen - 0

Final group games:

Matchday 9
Cal v kps88
Coldboy v Crustanoid

Matchday 10
Team Brian v TheReligion
DanNistelrooy v antohan

Matchday 11
Brwned v Cling Bak
Jayvin v Gio

Matchday 12
Rood v Ralaks
Zen v Snow

antohan · 14th February 2012, 21:26

I always publish the updated tables a minute after Brwned!

Good work mate!

antohan · 14th February 2012, 21:29

Will we pick before the next round is drawn or after?

antohan · 14th February 2012, 21:32

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brwned

Group D
Rood - 6
Snow - 3
Ralaks - 3
Zen - 0

Not exactly. If Ralaks beats Rood and Snow beats Zen none can go out on a head to head basis and it will be down to % vote difference.

Rood · 15th February 2012, 08:35

so our group turned out to be the Group Of The Death - the only with all to play for going into the last matchday!

Jayvin · 15th February 2012, 08:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by antohan

Not exactly. If Ralaks beats Rood and Snow beats Zen none can go out on a head to head basis and it will be down to % vote difference.

Would it be the same scenario in Group C if Gio beats me and Cling loses to Brwned?

Brwned · 15th February 2012, 09:17

So there's a chance that three groups (A, C and D) can all finish with

1st - 9 pts
2nd - 3 pts
3rd - 3 pts
4th - 3 pts

in which case the head to head rule will apply to none of 2nd, 3rd or 4th basically. I think that's why groups with 4 teams do it based on goal difference in real life. Whoever wins between Antohan and Dan finishes top.

kps88 · 15th February 2012, 09:19

What about:

1st - 6 pts
2nd - 6 pts
3rd - 6 pts
4th - 0 pts

If this happens in group A, Cold Boy isn't automatically through right?

Brwned · 15th February 2012, 09:47

Guess so. So based on vote difference - which I don't agree with, the games that got more votes did so because of the discussion within the threads mainly, and that's something that should be encouraged, but that's just me - there's two ways of getting a total. Either one percentage point equals one point, or we just do an average %. I don't suppose it'll make much difference so let's go with points. How much you lost by is irrelevant, there are no negative points, the only points included are ones for the winning team.

Group A
Cold Boy - 6 pts - 97 vp
kps88 - 3 pts - 9 vp
Crustanoid - 3 pts - 50 vp
Cal? - 0 - 0 vp

Group B
Antohan - 6 pts - 85 vp
DanNistelrooy - 6 pts - 34 vp
Team Brian - 0 pts - 0vp
TheReligion - 0 pts - 0vp

Group C
Brwned - 6 pts - 37 vp
Jayvin - 3 pts - 29 vp
Cling Bak - 3 pts - 27 vp
Gio - 0 pts - 0 vp

Group D
Rood - 6 pts - 48 vp
Snow - 3 pts - 19 vp
Ralaks - 3 pts - 12 vp
Zen - 0 pts - 0 vp

I think that's it. Only two teams have qualified, only two teams are out and any one of the teams from Groups A, C or D could conceivably go out.

KM · 15th February 2012, 09:49

So ColdBoy is more or less qualified then?
Good.

Brwned · 15th February 2012, 09:54

If Crustanoid gets 75% of the votes against Coldboy he'll go ahead of him, as will kps88 if he somehow manages to get 90% of the votes. So yeah, more or less. Unless we all decide to sabotage the voting...

kps88 · 15th February 2012, 09:59

Don't agree with vote % but I guess its our fault for not thinking it through and deciding upon something earlier. If I had known VP would play such a vital role I would have continued lobbying for votes even when I was miles behind Cold Boy or I wouldn't have experimented against Crus when I was ahead.

antohan · 15th February 2012, 15:13

Let's get this moving.

Brwned, when's kickoff time for this so that the managers send you their teams?

Matchday 9
Cal v kps88
Coldboy v Crustanoid

Brwned · 15th February 2012, 15:16

We'll start as soon as people are ready but 3 of the 4 managers changed their lineups last time so I was giving them a chance to do so again this time round. They'll kick off by 9pm tonight at the latest, just under 5 hours time. Coldboy's done that.

kps88 · 15th February 2012, 15:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brwned

We'll start as soon as people are ready but 3 of the 4 managers changed their lineups last time so I was giving them a chance to do so again this time round. They'll kick off by 9pm tonight at the latest, just under 5 hours time. Coldboy's done that.

Just reminding you I PM'd you my lineup yesterday.

Brwned · 15th February 2012, 16:35

Indeed you have, apologies! I'll assume Cal?'s not going to be PMing me anything so once Crustanoid gets it done we'll get started.

Crustanoid · 15th February 2012, 16:44

I'll have the 3 in midfield with Del Piero just in front of them (to occupy Keane). I think the graphic was posted as my 'alternative formation' last time out.

Edit- although I can knock up a new one if you don't have it to hand?

Edited edit: new graphic ever so slightly more accurate in emphasising Del Piero's role in keeping Keane busy. Three in midfield all great passers, Emerson the destroyer, Albertini the creator, Raul and Del Piero both favour runs down the left (but both intelligent / elusive enough to judge when) and Camoranesi the right, so there's the width needed when attacking and you all know what the front two could do at their peak

Dream Team Football Formation - Fantasy Teams Soccer

Not sure why, but the image tags don't like it:

Brwned · 15th February 2012, 16:47

Nope I've got it, I'll set things up within the next half hour.

Crustanoid · 15th February 2012, 16:59

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brwned

Nope I've got it, I'll set things up within the next half hour.

See slight edited tactics / strategy above

Rood · 15th February 2012, 18:25

From now on I am only going to vote if the managers make an effort to trash the opposition and talk up their team - too many of these voting threads pass by with little interest

Brwned · 15th February 2012, 19:35

I'm with Rood - the main reason I took part in these game is to reminisce about players at their peak and learn about some of the older players, and to debate about how they'd all fit into a side. Basically to get involved in discussions that otherwise wouldn't take place, not to be able to say 'ha I can pick the best imaginary team, I'm the winner!'. It's a shame there's so little discussion in some.

Snow · 15th February 2012, 20:41

I noticed a few names that voted on me and Roods last match that I've never even seen before on the caf.

Rood · 15th February 2012, 21:19

Ye I think we attracted a few spectators with the ongoing discussions - it was a good match up, the way it should be !

antohan · 15th February 2012, 22:34

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snow

I noticed a few names that voted on me and Roods last match that I've never even seen before on the caf.

I know! 26 May! Talk about a blast from the past! Where has he been?

(not that he is going to answer)

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14th February 2012, 06:13	#1441 (permalink)
kps88 First Team Regular Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 12,181	Also, I think it should be made clear from now what the rule is with regards to picking new players. Does the top team get to pick two or is it alternated? Should be decided upon now before the rankings are decided.

14th February 2012, 06:24	#1443 (permalink)
KM Coach Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 24,122	It'll be a real mindfuck if Crustanoid defeats ColdBoy and Kps defeats Cal? That would mean Coldboy, Crustanoid and KPS Have 6 points. Also that would also mean Coldboy defeats KPS, KPS defeats Crustanoid, Crustanoid defeats ColdBoy, So I'm not sure how the head to head will work here.

14th February 2012, 07:54	#1446 (permalink)
Cold_Boy Banned Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: London Posts: 20,139	Head to head and then Vote percentage instead of number of votes. Anything other than this is stupid.

14th February 2012, 12:26	#1452 (permalink)
Snow First Team Regular Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: I like turtles Posts: 16,864	Think it's one player each. No need to overkill it with adding 4 new players.

14th February 2012, 12:56	#1454 (permalink)
DanNistelrooy First Team Sub Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Manchester Posts: 6,912	Can't decide whether to stick with my Brazilians or bring in some of the better players available from the teams in my group...

14th February 2012, 21:25	#1457 (permalink)
Brwned Have you ever been in love before? Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 39,395	Teams underlined have qualified. Teams in italics are out. Group A Cold Boy - 6 kps88 - 3 Crustanoid - 3 Cal? - 0 Group B DanNistelrooy - 6 Antohan - 6 Team Brian - 0 TheReligion - 0 Group C Brwned - 6 Cling Bak - 3 Jayvin - 3 Gio - 0 Group D Rood - 6 Snow - 3 Ralaks - 3 Zen - 0 Final group games: Matchday 9 Cal v kps88 Coldboy v Crustanoid Matchday 10 Team Brian v TheReligion DanNistelrooy v antohan Matchday 11 Brwned v Cling Bak Jayvin v Gio Matchday 12 Rood v Ralaks Zen v Snow

14th February 2012, 21:26	#1458 (permalink)
antohan First Team Regular Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Montevideo Posts: 10,265	I always publish the updated tables a minute after Brwned! Good work mate!

14th February 2012, 21:29	#1459 (permalink)
antohan First Team Regular Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Montevideo Posts: 10,265	Will we pick before the next round is drawn or after?

15th February 2012, 08:35	#1461 (permalink)
Rood nostradamus like gloater Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: The Republik Of Mancunia Posts: 13,747	so our group turned out to be the Group Of The Death - the only with all to play for going into the last matchday!

15th February 2012, 09:17	#1463 (permalink)
Brwned Have you ever been in love before? Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 39,395	So there's a chance that three groups (A, C and D) can all finish with 1st - 9 pts 2nd - 3 pts 3rd - 3 pts 4th - 3 pts in which case the head to head rule will apply to none of 2nd, 3rd or 4th basically. I think that's why groups with 4 teams do it based on goal difference in real life. Whoever wins between Antohan and Dan finishes top.

15th February 2012, 09:19	#1464 (permalink)
kps88 First Team Regular Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 12,181	What about: 1st - 6 pts 2nd - 6 pts 3rd - 6 pts 4th - 0 pts If this happens in group A, Cold Boy isn't automatically through right?

15th February 2012, 09:47	#1465 (permalink)
Brwned Have you ever been in love before? Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 39,395	Guess so. So based on vote difference - which I don't agree with, the games that got more votes did so because of the discussion within the threads mainly, and that's something that should be encouraged, but that's just me - there's two ways of getting a total. Either one percentage point equals one point, or we just do an average %. I don't suppose it'll make much difference so let's go with points. How much you lost by is irrelevant, there are no negative points, the only points included are ones for the winning team. Group A Cold Boy - 6 pts - 97 vp kps88 - 3 pts - 9 vp Crustanoid - 3 pts - 50 vp Cal? - 0 - 0 vp Group B Antohan - 6 pts - 85 vp DanNistelrooy - 6 pts - 34 vp Team Brian - 0 pts - 0vp TheReligion - 0 pts - 0vp Group C Brwned - 6 pts - 37 vp Jayvin - 3 pts - 29 vp Cling Bak - 3 pts - 27 vp Gio - 0 pts - 0 vp Group D Rood - 6 pts - 48 vp Snow - 3 pts - 19 vp Ralaks - 3 pts - 12 vp Zen - 0 pts - 0 vp I think that's it. Only two teams have qualified, only two teams are out and any one of the teams from Groups A, C or D could conceivably go out.

15th February 2012, 09:49	#1466 (permalink)
KM Coach Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 24,122	So ColdBoy is more or less qualified then? Good.

15th February 2012, 09:54	#1467 (permalink)
Brwned Have you ever been in love before? Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 39,395	If Crustanoid gets 75% of the votes against Coldboy he'll go ahead of him, as will kps88 if he somehow manages to get 90% of the votes. So yeah, more or less. Unless we all decide to sabotage the voting...

15th February 2012, 09:59	#1468 (permalink)
kps88 First Team Regular Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 12,181	Don't agree with vote % but I guess its our fault for not thinking it through and deciding upon something earlier. If I had known VP would play such a vital role I would have continued lobbying for votes even when I was miles behind Cold Boy or I wouldn't have experimented against Crus when I was ahead.

15th February 2012, 15:13	#1469 (permalink)
antohan First Team Regular Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Montevideo Posts: 10,265	Let's get this moving. Brwned, when's kickoff time for this so that the managers send you their teams? Matchday 9 Cal v kps88 Coldboy v Crustanoid

15th February 2012, 15:16	#1470 (permalink)
Brwned Have you ever been in love before? Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 39,395	We'll start as soon as people are ready but 3 of the 4 managers changed their lineups last time so I was giving them a chance to do so again this time round. They'll kick off by 9pm tonight at the latest, just under 5 hours time. Coldboy's done that.

15th February 2012, 16:35	#1472 (permalink)
Brwned Have you ever been in love before? Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 39,395	Indeed you have, apologies! I'll assume Cal?'s not going to be PMing me anything so once Crustanoid gets it done we'll get started.

15th February 2012, 16:44	#1473 (permalink)
Crustanoid First Team Regular Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 15,369	I'll have the 3 in midfield with Del Piero just in front of them (to occupy Keane). I think the graphic was posted as my 'alternative formation' last time out. Edit- although I can knock up a new one if you don't have it to hand? Edited edit: new graphic ever so slightly more accurate in emphasising Del Piero's role in keeping Keane busy. Three in midfield all great passers, Emerson the destroyer, Albertini the creator, Raul and Del Piero both favour runs down the left (but both intelligent / elusive enough to judge when) and Camoranesi the right, so there's the width needed when attacking and you all know what the front two could do at their peak Dream Team Football Formation - Fantasy Teams Soccer Not sure why, but the image tags don't like it:

15th February 2012, 16:47	#1474 (permalink)
Brwned Have you ever been in love before? Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 39,395	Nope I've got it, I'll set things up within the next half hour.

15th February 2012, 18:25	#1476 (permalink)
Rood nostradamus like gloater Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: The Republik Of Mancunia Posts: 13,747	From now on I am only going to vote if the managers make an effort to trash the opposition and talk up their team - too many of these voting threads pass by with little interest

15th February 2012, 19:35	#1477 (permalink)
Brwned Have you ever been in love before? Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 39,395	I'm with Rood - the main reason I took part in these game is to reminisce about players at their peak and learn about some of the older players, and to debate about how they'd all fit into a side. Basically to get involved in discussions that otherwise wouldn't take place, not to be able to say 'ha I can pick the best imaginary team, I'm the winner!'. It's a shame there's so little discussion in some.

15th February 2012, 20:41	#1478 (permalink)
Snow First Team Regular Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: I like turtles Posts: 16,864	I noticed a few names that voted on me and Roods last match that I've never even seen before on the caf.

15th February 2012, 21:19	#1479 (permalink)
Rood nostradamus like gloater Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: The Republik Of Mancunia Posts: 13,747	Ye I think we attracted a few spectators with the ongoing discussions - it was a good match up, the way it should be !