Arguing with a scouser friend

UnitedMan · 28th August 2008, 10:53

I know it's futile to argue with them but he's a friend so I gave him the benefit of the doubt.

The discussion point was Benitez. He was arguing that there is really no one better who could take over their manager position as good as Benitez.

I disagreed saying that Ericsson would be a better option for them.

His argument was them winning the Champions League with a shitty squad under Benitez's helm and that they have no money for big transfers.

I remember a threat which showed the amounts spent by the big 4 teams which clearly showed that they do have the money and have spent huge amounts on transfers since the "spanish maestro" joined them but could not find it.

What is your opinion on Benitez's ability to manage Liverpool, his transfer selections and who would you consider more capable of managing their team.

devilish · 28th August 2008, 10:54

He is shite manager but a fortunate one.

Longsden_7 · 28th August 2008, 10:54

Liverpool Hate Thread 10,000,000

He is a good manager no doubt, he rotates too much and isn't very shrude in the transfer market.

Thats Benitez for you

MUFCgal · 28th August 2008, 10:54

KRAP - Keep Rafa At Pool

CnutOfAllCnuts · 28th August 2008, 10:56

Krap!

UnitedMan · 28th August 2008, 11:00

He also said that Benitez is trying to fix so many positional gaps that he doesn't spend a lot of money on one player so as to have enough to cover many positions.

My argument was that Liverpool is just not good enough to attract big name players.

The Hairdryer · 28th August 2008, 11:00

He's alright. No Fergie or Wenger though.

mosesfromtala · 28th August 2008, 11:02

Ronnie Whelan on RTE last night compared the sqaud he inherted to the one that took the field last night , 49 signings later, not much in the difference ... says it all

UnitedMan · 28th August 2008, 11:04

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Originally Posted by The Hairdryer

He's alright. No Fergie or Wenger though.

But Wenger is shit in Europe.

I don't rate Wenger much either. All this beautiful football bollox does not win you titles.

He turned Arse into a team of youngster-passing-maniacs

Pogue Mahone · 28th August 2008, 11:05

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Originally Posted by UnitedMan

He also said that Benitez is trying to fix so many positional gaps that he doesn't spend a lot of money on one player so as to have enough to cover many positions.

My argument was that Liverpool is just not good enough to attract big name players.

Probably worth pointing out those "positional gaps" are the result of Benitez shipping in and out 3 or 4 players in almost every transfer window since he started. Most of the gaps are left by his own poor signings.

UnitedMan · 28th August 2008, 11:05

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Originally Posted by mosesfromtala

Ronnie Whelan on RTE last night compared the sqaud he inherted to the one that took the field last night , 49 signings later, not much in the difference ... says it all

Where can I find these signings and their values.

A net amount (cost of players in - money received from sold players), from the big 4 during Rafa's reign would be great.

Twigginater · 28th August 2008, 11:16

http://biawc.110mb.com/

That's the site I think you're looking for. Although some ammounts seem wrong and then Benitez has spent more this year obviously.

spinoza · 28th August 2008, 11:19

Benitez has had loads of dosh. Not so much now maybe.

Bilbo · 28th August 2008, 11:20

He's done an okay job there. Nowhere near well enough to deserve the endless slack he receives from Liverpool fans.

On his last legs though. He has to deliver this season I think, otherwise he is out.

The Hairdryer · 28th August 2008, 11:24

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Originally Posted by UnitedMan

But Wenger is shit in Europe.

I don't rate Wenger much either. All this beautiful football bollox does not win you titles.

He turned Arse into a team of youngster-passing-maniacs

Fuck Europe. It's mostly luck. Wenger got to a final and a semi-final anyway. Not exactly shit.

He won the league in his first full season and won two more since whilst making a profit for his club in the transfer market in the process.

He shits all over Benitez.

GaryLifo · 28th August 2008, 11:27

The funny thing is, they worshipped Houllier's shit on a stick football because it brought them some minor trophies and people like Davo were hailing his 'bargain' signings that were going to win them number 19.

Then when the reality of no title hit them as we won it again in 2003, Houllier was gone and they used hindsight bias to claim they knew all along he wasn't going to win them the league.

Then Benitez came in and was hailed as a tactical genius as they somehow managed to win the CL... which was a sign nukber 19 was on its way. Now they continue to cling to Rafa being brilliant but just hindered by finances (despite spending around 85 million in the last 12 months on players).

The moment Rafa goes they will all claim he was never good enough for them and that he signed a load of shite which the brilliant new manager will need time to clear out. Rinse and Repeat ad infinitum.

Red Devil 26 · 28th August 2008, 11:30

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Originally Posted by GaryLifo

The funny thing is, they worshipped Houllier's shit on a stick football because it brought them some minor trophies and people like Davo were hailing his 'bargain' signings that were going to win them number 19.

Then when the reality of no title hit them as we won it again in 2003, Houllier was gone and they used hindsight bias to claim they knew all along he wasn't going to win them the league.

Then Benitez came in and was hailed as a tactical genius as they somehow managed to win the CL... which was a sign nukber 19 was on its way. Now they continue to cling to Rafa being brilliant but just hindered by finances (despite spending around 85 million in the last 12 months on players).

The moment Rafa goes they will all claim he was never good enough for them and that he signed a load of shite which the brilliant new manager will need time to clear out. Rinse and Repeat ad infinitum.

Good Post.

Raven_Blade · 28th August 2008, 12:38

K.r.a.p.

Marching · 28th August 2008, 13:11

Running out of time and ideas...

MehdiMahdavikia · 28th August 2008, 19:48

I'd like a Liverpool fan to explain Liverpool's formation to me and how it shows Benite is a genius manager. He plays a static 4-3-3 with no wing backs, it's so narrow. Why with all the player he's brought has he never brought in an attacking full back? There must be lads in the Liverpool acadamy who could do a decent job as it's at least their natural position.

noodlehair · 28th August 2008, 20:40

To be honest, the first couple of seasons maybe, I thought they'd genuinely found their man. He seemed to have some idea what he was doing, brought in the likes of Alonso, and they looked to be improving.

Since then though, it's gradually dawned on me that this isn't the case, and that in fact he's probably a bit of a simpleton.

The final nail in the coffin was probably his hilarious child like fit over the Gabriel Heinze saga last summer. There was no angle, or genuine reason to feel hard done by. The simple fact is he was too thick to understand what was going on, and no matter who explained it to him, he could neither understand nor accept it. "We have a legal document!" you have a fax, you fat Spanish twat. Go and sit back down in the corner

He's done this loads of times with stuff now. When he can't get his way with something, he reveals himself to be a complete retard. It's not like Wenger or Fergie, where they have an angle, or just lose it in the face of defeat, it's genuine retardedness.

It's reflected in his management aswell. Not just the signing of players, or ridiculous persistence with trying to win games by attacking with no more than two players at any one time, but during the games. He sulks, and starts making stupid decisions, just to prove a point which doesn't exist anywhere other than in his head; Sub Gerrard off when we're losing to show everyone I'll dare to sub Gerrard off when we're losing...Why? This isn't pre-school, Rafa.

It's gotten to the point where his dimwit American bosses (who can't tell the difference between Manchester United and West Ham), have had to stop him from spending 20million a player, because they know more about football than he does.

They must want him out, but they don't dare remove him through fear of the reaction. At a club like United or even Chelsea he'd have been long gone.

Plechazunga · 28th August 2008, 20:53

UnitedMan · 28th August 2008, 20:56

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Originally Posted by noodlehair

To be honest, the first couple of seasons maybe, I thought they'd genuinely found their man. He seemed to have some idea what he was doing, brought in the likes of Alonso, and they looked to be improving.

Since then though, it's gradually dawned on me that this isn't the case, and that in fact he's probably a bit of a simpleton.

The final nail in the coffin was probably his hilarious child like fit over the Gabriel Heinze saga last summer. There was no angle, or genuine reason to feel hard done by. The simple fact is he was too thick to understand what was going on, and no matter who explained it to him, he could neither understand nor accept it. "We have a legal document!" you have a fax, you fat Spanish twat. Go and sit back down in the corner

He's done this loads of times with stuff now. When he can't get his way with something, he reveals himself to be a complete retard. It's not like Wenger or Fergie, where they have an angle, or just lose it in the face of defeat, it's genuine retardedness.

It's reflected in his management aswell. Not just the signing of players, or ridiculous persistence with trying to win games by attacking with no more than two players at any one time, but during the games. He sulks, and starts making stupid decisions, just to prove a point which doesn't exist anywhere other than in his head; Sub Gerrard off when we're losing to show everyone I'll dare to sub Gerrard off when we're losing...Why? This isn't pre-school, Rafa.

It's gotten to the point where his dimwit American bosses (who can't tell the difference between Manchester United and West Ham), have had to stop him from spending 20million a player, because they know more about football than he does.

They must want him out, but they don't dare remove him through fear of the reaction. At a club like United or even Chelsea he'd have been long gone.

Great post. Care to elaborate your point in bold?

Ander8on · 28th August 2008, 21:06

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Richter · 28th August 2008, 21:18

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Originally Posted by MehdiMahdavikia

I'd like a Liverpool fan to explain Liverpool's formation to me and how it shows Benite is a genius manager. He plays a static 4-3-3 with no wing backs, it's so narrow. Why with all the player he's brought has he never brought in an attacking full back? There must be lads in the Liverpool acadamy who could do a decent job as it's at least their natural position.

"Dossena will be better than Evra, just give him time." a mate told me a couple of days ago. He also claimed that Keane is better than Tevez...

Ander8on · 28th August 2008, 21:33

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Originally Posted by UnitedMan

Great post. Care to elaborate your point in bold?

Think he's referring to the Gareth Barry situation, basically the two Americans told Benitez he wasn't being given the cash to sign someone who was similar age & not as good as Alonso.

Pretty poor situation when 2 people who know nothing about football, know better than the club manager.

77 · 28th August 2008, 21:35

Friends don't let friends support Liverpool

ralphie88 · 28th August 2008, 21:36

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Originally Posted by UnitedMan

Arguing with a scouser friend

Is he actually a scouser or is he just one of those out-of-town leeches from Devon or Surrey? Just asking like...

Redlambs · 28th August 2008, 22:05

Basically, they are desperate. They'll willingly bend over and let their club get fucked over just for some success. As the following true image depicts:

Danish Voice · 28th August 2008, 23:39

He's a tactical wise very good manager if he wants to be. He is shit on the transfer market and do not rate half the opponents he's up against properly though.

peterstorey · 28th August 2008, 23:48

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Originally Posted by Danish Voice

He's a tactical wise very good manager if he wants to be. He is shit on the transfer market .

He's a good coach but possibly not a good manager in the PL mould. I don't know if he had a DoF at Valencia to do the transfers for him - Ramos' success at Sevilla was at least 50% due to Monchi getting in good players.

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UnitedMan Reserve Team Player Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 900	Arguing with a scouser friend I know it's futile to argue with them but he's a friend so I gave him the benefit of the doubt. The discussion point was Benitez. He was arguing that there is really no one better who could take over their manager position as good as Benitez. I disagreed saying that Ericsson would be a better option for them. His argument was them winning the Champions League with a shitty squad under Benitez's helm and that they have no money for big transfers. I remember a threat which showed the amounts spent by the big 4 teams which clearly showed that they do have the money and have spent huge amounts on transfers since the "spanish maestro" joined them but could not find it. What is your opinion on Benitez's ability to manage Liverpool, his transfer selections and who would you consider more capable of managing their team.

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devilish Nationality: Italian-English, Maltese Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Cnut's home Posts: 18,170	He is shite manager but a fortunate one.

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Longsden_7 Reserve Team Player Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Didsbury, Manchester Posts: 753	Liverpool Hate Thread 10,000,000 He is a good manager no doubt, he rotates too much and isn't very shrude in the transfer market. Thats Benitez for you

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UnitedMan Reserve Team Player Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 900	He also said that Benitez is trying to fix so many positional gaps that he doesn't spend a lot of money on one player so as to have enough to cover many positions. My argument was that Liverpool is just not good enough to attract big name players.

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The Hairdryer Crikey that stung Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Never argue with a fool. They'll just drag you down to their level then beat you with experience Posts: 11,949	He's alright. No Fergie or Wenger though.

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mosesfromtala thinking about sligo Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: mostly west Posts: 3,490	Ronnie Whelan on RTE last night compared the sqaud he inherted to the one that took the field last night , 49 signings later, not much in the difference ... says it all

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Twigginater Reserve Team Player Join Date: May 2008 Location: In your heart Posts: 1,042	http://biawc.110mb.com/ That's the site I think you're looking for. Although some ammounts seem wrong and then Benitez has spent more this year obviously.

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spinoza Paz's ion Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Everything is "blarg". Posts: 22,347	Benitez has had loads of dosh. Not so much now maybe.

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Bilbo First Team Sub Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 5,784	He's done an okay job there. Nowhere near well enough to deserve the endless slack he receives from Liverpool fans. On his last legs though. He has to deliver this season I think, otherwise he is out.

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GaryLifo Nice Bloke Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Davo thinks I'm weird Posts: 3,525	The funny thing is, they worshipped Houllier's shit on a stick football because it brought them some minor trophies and people like Davo were hailing his 'bargain' signings that were going to win them number 19. Then when the reality of no title hit them as we won it again in 2003, Houllier was gone and they used hindsight bias to claim they knew all along he wasn't going to win them the league. Then Benitez came in and was hailed as a tactical genius as they somehow managed to win the CL... which was a sign nukber 19 was on its way. Now they continue to cling to Rafa being brilliant but just hindered by finances (despite spending around 85 million in the last 12 months on players). The moment Rafa goes they will all claim he was never good enough for them and that he signed a load of shite which the brilliant new manager will need time to clear out. Rinse and Repeat ad infinitum.

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MehdiMahdavikia Reserve Team Player Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: "He's a rebel and he stands up to Bullies" Posts: 1,099	I'd like a Liverpool fan to explain Liverpool's formation to me and how it shows Benite is a genius manager. He plays a static 4-3-3 with no wing backs, it's so narrow. Why with all the player he's brought has he never brought in an attacking full back? There must be lads in the Liverpool acadamy who could do a decent job as it's at least their natural position.

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noodlehair Sacked Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: It is a mistake to think you can solve any major problems just with potatoes. Posts: 32,000	To be honest, the first couple of seasons maybe, I thought they'd genuinely found their man. He seemed to have some idea what he was doing, brought in the likes of Alonso, and they looked to be improving. Since then though, it's gradually dawned on me that this isn't the case, and that in fact he's probably a bit of a simpleton. The final nail in the coffin was probably his hilarious child like fit over the Gabriel Heinze saga last summer. There was no angle, or genuine reason to feel hard done by. The simple fact is he was too thick to understand what was going on, and no matter who explained it to him, he could neither understand nor accept it. "We have a legal document!" you have a fax, you fat Spanish twat. Go and sit back down in the corner He's done this loads of times with stuff now. When he can't get his way with something, he reveals himself to be a complete retard. It's not like Wenger or Fergie, where they have an angle, or just lose it in the face of defeat, it's genuine retardedness. It's reflected in his management aswell. Not just the signing of players, or ridiculous persistence with trying to win games by attacking with no more than two players at any one time, but during the games. He sulks, and starts making stupid decisions, just to prove a point which doesn't exist anywhere other than in his head; Sub Gerrard off when we're losing to show everyone I'll dare to sub Gerrard off when we're losing...Why? This isn't pre-school, Rafa. It's gotten to the point where his dimwit American bosses (who can't tell the difference between Manchester United and West Ham), have had to stop him from spending 20million a player, because they know more about football than he does. They must want him out, but they don't dare remove him through fear of the reaction. At a club like United or even Chelsea he'd have been long gone.

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Redlambs First Team Sub Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Officially the best poker player on RAWK. Your cash has been donated to the Gary Neville for Prime Minister fund, cheers you scouse twats. Posts: 7,807	Basically, they are desperate. They'll willingly bend over and let their club get fucked over just for some success. As the following true image depicts:

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Danish Voice Reserve Team Player Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 1,380	He's a tactical wise very good manager if he wants to be. He is shit on the transfer market and do not rate half the opponents he's up against properly though.