Avram Grant

esmufc12 · 27th February 2010, 20:11

I like him. Everytime I've seen him in an interview as Portsmouth manager he's come across really well. He's the Israeli version of Roy Hodgson. He's also a better manager than people give him credit for.

Boss · 27th February 2010, 20:12

Agreed.

esmufc12 · 27th February 2010, 20:13

I don't think you do.

Leg-End · 27th February 2010, 20:17

Prime thread for the return of the funny Avram Grant pics/gifs thread.

032Devil · 27th February 2010, 21:00

Chelsea's big mistake getting rid of him.

I reckon he would have done a better job than any manager they've has since Mouthrinho.

Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber · 27th February 2010, 21:30

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Originally Posted by esmufc10

I like him. Everytime I've seen him in an interview as Portsmouth manager he's come across really well. He's the Israeli version of Roy Hodgson. He's also a better manager than people give him credit for.

Agreed

JayWalker · 27th February 2010, 21:33

His lack of charisma ensures people overlook the good things about him.

CallyRed · 27th February 2010, 21:35

Plus he goes to Massage Parlours

Respect

I_live_cement · 27th February 2010, 21:44

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Originally Posted by 032Devil

Chelsea's big mistake getting rid of him.

I reckon he would have done a better job than any manager they've has since Mouthrinho.

He did do a better job than any managers since mourinho, so far.

Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber · 27th February 2010, 21:48

TBF to Chelsea he had to be relieved of duty because the fans and players a like didn't respect him one bit.

Plechazunga · 27th February 2010, 21:50

Amir's gonna bust a feckin artery when he sees this thread

Amir · 27th February 2010, 21:53

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Originally Posted by Plechazunga

Amir's gonna bust a feckin artery when he sees this thread

Naa, I'm not too bothered anymore. Some people just don't see everything there is to see. Grant is going down with the only club that was ever going to hire him in the Premier League, and hopefully that's the end of him in England's top tier, which he never belonged to.

Plechazunga · 27th February 2010, 21:55

Nialler · 28th February 2010, 04:31

Red Dreams · 28th February 2010, 04:40

talking of Chelsea, Ancelotti does not look too clever a hire either.

x42bn6 · 28th February 2010, 04:56

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Originally Posted by Red Dreams

talking of Chelsea, Ancelotti does not look too clever a hire either.

Top of the Premier League?

No idea what to make of Grant. Took a team that wasn't built by him to 4 runners-up spots. Looks set to relegate a team that was always going to go down even without administration. There's probably a decent manager in there somewhere but he's never really been able to show what he can do (or not do).

holyland red · 28th February 2010, 06:39

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Originally Posted by Plechazunga

Amir's gonna bust a feckin artery when he sees this thread

rufus diabolus · 28th February 2010, 11:03

Zen86 · 28th February 2010, 11:10

He said they shouldn't get a points deduction for administration, which is a just punishment for letting idiots run the club.

SharkyMcShark · 28th February 2010, 11:14

Ive said it before and I'll say it again, I felt he was quite harshly dismissed from the Chelsea post.

Red Defence · 28th February 2010, 12:10

Thought he did well at Chelsea. Surprised that Terry et al didn't like him much. They seem to have a habit of getting rid of managers, even the ones they supposedly like.

On another level.....in many ways he's one of the most unappealing managers in the business....imo.

Chorley1974 · 28th February 2010, 12:39

Grant lacks charisma, but did quite well at chelski. I don't think he was 'superstar' enough for the chelski players to respect him though. As for the comparison with Roy Hodgson, I have no idea what the fuck is that about.

IhabX7 · 28th February 2010, 13:04

For me, he has shown that a manager's role is a bit overrated, although he basically continued what Mourinho has built.

Christofaux · 28th February 2010, 13:07

I thought he went back to another (more behind the scenes) role at Chelsea. Then moved when he was offered another managing position.

Amir · 28th February 2010, 17:13

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Originally Posted by Christofaux

I thought he went back to another (more behind the scenes) role at Chelsea. Then moved when he was offered another managing position.

No, he didn't stay at Chelsea. Spent over a year looking for a job in England, getting nothing until all those wierd fishy Israelis who showed up at Pompey's boardroom got him the 'Director of football' role. From then on it wasn't hard to guess what was going to happen - Hart sacked, Grant replaces him. Never seen that before, hey?

green demon · 28th February 2010, 18:03

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Originally Posted by Amir

No, he didn't stay at Chelsea. Spent over a year looking for a job in England, getting nothing until all those wierd fishy Israelis who showed up at Pompey's boardroom got him the 'Director of football' role. From then on it wasn't hard to guess what was going to happen - Hart sacked, Grant replaces him. Never seen that before, hey?

Why don't you rate Grant? I thought he had a good tilt when at Chelsea and was surprised when they sacked him. He comes across as a decent bloke as well (hence the likening him to Roy Hodgson as someone did).

BaldwinLegend · 28th February 2010, 20:22

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Originally Posted by SharkyMcShark

Ive said it before and I'll say it again, I felt he was quite harshly dismissed from the Chelsea post.

He was more than a little lucky to land the gig in the first place.

Amir · 28th February 2010, 21:18

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Originally Posted by green demon

Why don't you rate Grant? I thought he had a good tilt when at Chelsea and was surprised when they sacked him. He comes across as a decent bloke as well (hence the likening him to Roy Hodgson as someone did).

I don't think he's a bad manager. He's just not a worthy person. The guy came from the Israeli league, through a role at Pompey when not ever Harry Redknapp knows what his duties were, and suddenly he gets his first ever managerial job outside Israel... Replacing Mourinho at bloody Chelsea!

The guy is a snake. Not a particular good football coach, but very good at phsycology which helps him both as manager and in PR so i'm not shocked he's got people thinking he's alright. He knows the right things to say, and it's all a little too easy now with poor Portsmouth.

The football community in England obviously sees right through him. That's why he couldn't get a job after Chelsea, until again it came down to personal connections. Pompey and their Israeli connection, and Roman Abramovich. That's sums up Grant's career in England.

Amir · 28th February 2010, 21:19

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Originally Posted by BaldwinLegend

He was more than a little lucky to land the gig in the first place.

There was nothing lucky about it. Good planning, more like it.

Wonder Pigeon · 1st March 2010, 00:10

I love Amir's hatred of Avram Grant.

x42bn6 · 1st March 2010, 00:20

Grant's whole career has largely revolved around "connections" though - Chelsea and Portsmouth, for example, involved him moving through the back doors of clubs.

I don't know what his Israeli managerial career has been like, though.

Amir · 1st March 2010, 01:15

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Originally Posted by Wonder Pigeon

I love Amir's hatred of Avram Grant.

You should have tried to be an Israeli United fan, living in Israel, during 2007/08, when we were battling Chelsea on all fronts. Watching the CL final on Israeli TV was unbearable. Not to mention they barely showed the trophy celebrations as they focused on the losers!

Now, I don't begrudge the likes of Benayoun or Ben Haim. They worked hard, they did well to progress, they've earned everything. Grant did not. And you know, I've said it before, but if Abramovich can pluck Grant and appoint him as manager, what prevents the Glazers from picking some unknown American coach to replace Sir Alex?

It's just not on. It disgusts me. Football should not be like that and knowing Grant and Grant's ways of working from the already dirty Israeli football, then watching him do it to my beloved English football - It was hard to take. Seeing people in the PL accept this shyster, it just tarnished it for me. It's like learning there's no Santa.

I know people struggle to understand. They don't know his history, they think personal connections are all part of football and football management. But this is not a guy who was on par with others and that connection pushed him a little further. He was a nobody. He's still a nobody, really. For all he might or might not have done at Chelsea, he still needed those connection to get picked for a PL job. At a club that is run like a joke. Suits him right.

Amir · 1st March 2010, 01:20

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Originally Posted by x42bn6

Grant's whole career has largely revolved around "connections" though - Chelsea and Portsmouth, for example, involved him moving through the back doors of clubs.

I don't know what his Israeli managerial career has been like, though.

He was actually a really good coach in Israel once, before he started focusing on connecting with the right journalists for the right press relations, then with the right rich owners (He got a double-winning coach in Israel sacked and took his job).

Aside from Jabba the hut, he also reminds me of Darth Vader. 'He's more machine now than man, twisted and evil'. I don't know how much of a football coach is still there and how much is focused on everything else. He's just tarnished.

Hopefully that's the last we see of him in in the PL. I think that's the last of his big connections, and even Pini Zahavi will struggle to get anyone to appoint him when you've got someone like - say - Alan Curbishley available.

Bearded but no genius · 1st March 2010, 05:47

Nistelrooy10 · 1st March 2010, 06:25

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Originally Posted by Amir

You should have tried to be an Israeli United fan, living in Israel, during 2007/08, when we were battling Chelsea on all fronts. Watching the CL final on Israeli TV was unbearable. Not to mention they barely showed the trophy celebrations as they focused on the losers!

Now, I don't begrudge the likes of Benayoun or Ben Haim. They worked hard, they did well to progress, they've earned everything. Grant did not. And you know, I've said it before, but if Abramovich can pluck Grant and appoint him as manager, what prevents the Glazers from picking some unknown American coach to replace Sir Alex?

It's just not on. It disgusts me. Football should not be like that and knowing Grant and Grant's ways of working from the already dirty Israeli football, then watching him do it to my beloved English football - It was hard to take. Seeing people in the PL accept this shyster, it just tarnished it for me. It's like learning there's no Santa.

I know people struggle to understand. They don't know his history, they think personal connections are all part of football and football management. But this is not a guy who was on par with others and that connection pushed him a little further. He was a nobody. He's still a nobody, really. For all he might or might not have done at Chelsea, he still needed those connection to get picked for a PL job. At a club that is run like a joke. Suits him right.

Bruce Arena after SAF retires?

Bearded but no genius · 2nd March 2010, 04:21

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Originally Posted by esmufc10

I like him. Everytime I've seen him in an interview as Portsmouth manager he's come across really well. He's the Israeli version of Roy Hodgson. He's also a better manager than people give him credit for.

He's always bleating and back-stabbing.

Hodgson is never known for either of those things.

Amir · 2nd March 2010, 10:34

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Originally Posted by Bearded but no genius

He's always bleating and back-stabbing.

Hodgson is never known for either of those things.

He should. Might get Chelsea that way...

decorativeed · 2nd March 2010, 16:49

Bah. Still wondering why the FA didn't follow up on this when he came back into English football.

Amir · 2nd March 2010, 19:12

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Originally Posted by decorativeed

Bah. Still wondering why the FA didn't follow up on this when he came back into English football.

Because it, like Grant, was quite forgettable. Just a small man talking out of his arse trying to get some attention. Nothing to see.

Spammy · 2nd March 2010, 19:20

I reckon he'll get found out soon enough.

Those Star Wars pictures are mega.

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Boss Melodramatic, attention seeking space-attacker Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: I left you with enough memories to resurrect me with Posts: 24,283	Agreed.

27th February 2010, 20:13	#3 (permalink)
esmufc12 Unclean Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 22,477	I don't think you do.

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Leg-End First Team Sub Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: "SAF - you're an old dick - but I respect you." Posts: 8,773	Prime thread for the return of the funny Avram Grant pics/gifs thread.

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032Devil First Team Regular Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 19,325	Chelsea's big mistake getting rid of him. I reckon he would have done a better job than any manager they've has since Mouthrinho.

27th February 2010, 21:33	#7 (permalink)
JayWalker Ball Spotter Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Still got the blues for you.. RIP The Loner. Hull City. Posts: 25,558	His lack of charisma ensures people overlook the good things about him.

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Red Dreams First Team Regular Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Thunder Road to Old Trafford Posts: 23,454	talking of Chelsea, Ancelotti does not look too clever a hire either.

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Zen86 Reserve Team Player Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: its a nice day for a.. white wedding Posts: 4,913	He said they shouldn't get a points deduction for administration, which is a just punishment for letting idiots run the club.

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SharkyMcShark First Team Regular Join Date: May 2007 Location: Using location as a tagline: because I'm just not cool enough to have my own. Posts: 18,587	Ive said it before and I'll say it again, I felt he was quite harshly dismissed from the Chelsea post.

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Red Defence First Team Sub Join Date: May 2009 Location: “United stands for attacking, attractive football played at high speed, with one-touch passing combinations, individual skill and unpredictability. That’s all conducted at pace, with intent.” Posts: 7,636	Thought he did well at Chelsea. Surprised that Terry et al didn't like him much. They seem to have a habit of getting rid of managers, even the ones they supposedly like. On another level.....in many ways he's one of the most unappealing managers in the business....imo.

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Chorley1974 Lady Ole Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 7,187	Grant lacks charisma, but did quite well at chelski. I don't think he was 'superstar' enough for the chelski players to respect him though. As for the comparison with Roy Hodgson, I have no idea what the fuck is that about.

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IhabX7 Reserve Team Player Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 4,320	For me, he has shown that a manager's role is a bit overrated, although he basically continued what Mourinho has built.

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Christofaux First Team Sub Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Le Australie Posts: 9,197	I thought he went back to another (more behind the scenes) role at Chelsea. Then moved when he was offered another managing position.

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x42bn6 First Team Regular Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: 西田麻衣の谷間. Being a nerd, geek and virgin Posts: 17,358	Grant's whole career has largely revolved around "connections" though - Chelsea and Portsmouth, for example, involved him moving through the back doors of clubs. I don't know what his Israeli managerial career has been like, though.

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decorativeed First Team Sub Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Chorlton Posts: 6,190	Bah. Still wondering why the FA didn't follow up on this when he came back into English football.

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