Avram Grant

Brophs · 15th January 2011, 15:08

The WH board calling off Sidwell's move makes more sense now. O'Neill may have been in the frame and it's pretty clear he didn't much fancy Sidwell in his time at Villa.

Amir · 15th January 2011, 15:08

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Originally Posted by Sean_RedDevil

This team is poor.

I don't think they are that poor at all. When you look at Blackpool at the moment or even Bolton you see what a really good manager can do with a decent but uninspiring bunch. Now, I certainly don't think that being 'England internationals' makes the likes of Green, Upson or Cole better players than they are - but they are better players than they've been under Grant. Parker is the exception.

If Grant could get the best out of them, I don't expect them to be top 8, but they should at least be a few points ahead of the relegation zone, especially considering their fixtures list - They played Wolves and Fulham twice (two teams they've got a good chance of geting points against), they played Wigan at home, Blackpool at home, West Brom at home. Instead, they are bottom, having played 1-2 games more than everyone else.

Ole's_toe_poke · 15th January 2011, 15:54

I still don't understand why O'Neill would go there?

Surely Aston Villa to West Ham is a step down. And if he left Villa because of a meddling owner then one can't help but feel Sullivan, Gold and Brady are worse.

I thought he'd be looking out for a higher job. Very weird decision from O'Neill if true.

Amir · 15th January 2011, 17:09

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Originally Posted by Ole's_toe_poke

Surely Aston Villa to West Ham is a step down. And if he left Villa because of a meddling owner then one can't help but feel Sullivan, Gold and Brady are worse.

I thought he'd be looking out for a higher job. Very weird decision from O'Neill if true.

What higher job is there for him? Liverpool changed managers, they are in a tough situation, but they still didn't go for O'Neill. It won't happen in the summer. United, Chelsea, Spurs, City - he won't get any of those. So what else is left? Today's West Ham could be tomorrow's Bolton or Sunderland. That's as much as he can hope for. Aston Villa didn't look too good when he went there.

Obviously West Ham have money trouble, but part of the equasion is what the owners expect. If Lerner expected better than the sixth position he got him at Villa while selling players, it was totally unlikely and too much to demand. If West Ham spend less but also expect less, it makes sense.

Solius · 15th January 2011, 17:57

If I was Grant I'd have just left already. Terrible treatment, no matter how badly he's done.

Amir · 15th January 2011, 18:11

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Originally Posted by Solius

If I was Grant I'd have just left already. Terrible treatment, no matter how badly he's done.

Compensation is everything.

cw1984 · 15th January 2011, 18:11

Harsh or not he really does need to go. This West Ham side are truly awful.

Kelvin · 15th January 2011, 18:25

dead man walking.......

Drifter · 15th January 2011, 19:29

He looked like a man ready to accept his fate

dan_alex · 15th January 2011, 22:46

The latest news is that Grant will now remain as manager "for now"

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What a mess ---> RT @chrisskudder: #AvramGrant to remain as #whufc manager for now according to co-owner David Gold

moses · 15th January 2011, 22:50

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Originally Posted by cw1984

Harsh or not he really does need to go. This West Ham side are truly awful.

It's not the sacking but the manner of it. Nobody at the club comes out of it well, ironically the only one to get any credit will be Avram.

I know he will be compensated etc, but it costs fuck all extra to treat him with respect.

B Cantona · 15th January 2011, 22:52

Does 'for now' mean the next twenty minutes?

How did the O'Neill stuff reach the BBC today anyway. West Ham source leak it? If not, it's hardly their fault. I guess morally they shouldn't be negotiating a currently filled position, but in fairness, they are significantly upping the standard of candidate in Martin O'Neill, Grant is bottom of the table, West Ham do look shambolic at times despite having a decent squad, and it's difficult to argue the club isn't doing the right thing for their long term fortunes

A lot being said for Grant's dignity, at some point that means resigning and if he so wishes bringing a constructive dismissal case against the club

moses · 15th January 2011, 22:56

The way the BBC were speaking this morning was very odd, well very odd now that Avram is still at West Ham. On RTE they said O Neill had cooled on the idea today and that tomorrows back page headlines which will be dominated by O Neill and Keane at West Ham (well over here anyway) were all a bit premature.

Manner of the sacking aside, does he know anything about football. How did he become such a high profile figure?

Amir · 15th January 2011, 23:53

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Originally Posted by moses

How did he become such a high profile figure?

Connections and ability to befriend the right people. The Israeli mafia at Portsmouth brought him in as a 'Director of football', so he got his foot in the door in England. He used the time to get connected to Abramovich, and within a year he's 'Director of football' at Chelsea and then manager. He gets sacked eventually, but he's already part of English football, his name is known, whenever a job is available his name is mentioned. And eventually he does get jobs.

Now, will it last? If he blows the West Ham job - which is what he's done so far - then maybe not. But once you become a part of the football culture, it gives you a chance. It's not as if we've not seen some bad managers given one, two or three jobs. Eventually people discover you're not good enough, though. Question is when.

moses · 16th January 2011, 02:02

Surely his bubble has well and truly burst now?

Tumbling-Dice · 16th January 2011, 02:25

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Originally Posted by moses

Surely his bubble has well and truly burst now?

Knowing West Ham, there's always another bubble to blow.

cw1984 · 16th January 2011, 09:14

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Originally Posted by moses

It's not the sacking but the manner of it. Nobody at the club comes out of it well, ironically the only one to get any credit will be Avram.

I know he will be compensated etc, but it costs fuck all extra to treat him with respect.

I don't think anyone disagrees that he's been treated very poorly.

Drifter · 18th January 2011, 09:40

What a farce.Avram looks like he's staying and have identified possible transfer targets for him to strengthen the squad.

Stack · 18th January 2011, 10:45

Well I for one hope Grant succeeds for the simple fact he has been treated like shite by West Ham and everyone everywhere is writing him off. I like an underdog, hope he pulls off a miracle and keeps them up.

Frosty · 5th March 2011, 17:34

Could Avram keep the Hammers up? Two wins in a row in the Prem, three in all competitions.

Sean_RedDevil · 5th March 2011, 17:40

They`re now to good to going down, some great transfers in January (Keane, Ba, Bridge) + some players are back from injury (Hitzlsperger).

Frosty · 5th March 2011, 17:43

One defeat in 7.... just in time for our game at Upton Park?

Tibs · 5th March 2011, 17:47

Fair play to Avram Grant - the tide is turning..

Could the team that is better than Barcelona, be going down to the Championship?

cw1984 · 5th March 2011, 18:06

Some very good signings in January. Stoke must be kicking themselves for not taking Ba when they had the chance.

Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber · 6th March 2011, 06:16

Hitzlsperger's return is doing wonders.

Alex · 6th March 2011, 06:33

Grant is an amusing enough character, I think he is a pretty good manager and is going to get West Ham out of the drop, I dont really care if West Ham stay up or pop back down into the Championship.

Bearded but no genius · 6th March 2011, 06:36

Where has Amir been during this run?

Frosty · 8th May 2011, 13:58

So, if West Ham lose again they are down.

Brophs · 8th May 2011, 14:00

They should have acted earlier. O'Neill or Allardyce before or during the window and they'd be well clear of relegation, IMHO.

McGrathsipan · 8th May 2011, 14:08

grant will be sacked when they go down and he will dissapear.

I cant see clubs climbing over themselves to get him.

Randall Flagg · 8th May 2011, 14:20

He has been found out big time. West Ham aint great. But their aquad is far better than their league position suggests.

Sean_RedDevil · 13th January 2012, 17:05

New manager of Partizan Belgrade.

Guy Incognito · 13th January 2012, 18:50

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Originally Posted by Sean_RedDevil

New manager of Partizan Belgrade.

They are 10 points clear at the top of the Serbian League, I'm guessing the previous manager was sacked over Europe.

Avram can't get them relegated... can he?

Amir · 11th March 2012, 18:28

Well, he's two matches into his new role, both draws, and a ten point gap is down to six. Oh, and Partizan fans protested today, demanding his sacking. Nice start!

Amir · 17th May 2012, 19:57

He's leaving Partizan after a few months. Won the Serbian title (well, he took over in mid season with a 10 point lead...), but lost all three matches against Red Star, two of them in the cup. His agent insists he has offers in England. I can't see someone being so stupid again...

Red Dreams · 17th May 2012, 20:27

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Originally Posted by Amir

He's leaving Partizan after a few months. Won the Serbian title (well, he took over in mid season with a 10 point lead...), but lost all three matches against Red Star, two of them in the cup. His agent insists he has offers in England. I can't see someone being so stupid again...

Wolves or Villa?

Amir · 17th May 2012, 20:51

Wolves already got Solbakken. I'd hope Lerner learned from his McLeish debacle...

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15th January 2011, 15:08	#161 (permalink)
Brophs Brewlio's fugly sister Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Why don't we just kill Badger? Posts: 27,706	The WH board calling off Sidwell's move makes more sense now. O'Neill may have been in the frame and it's pretty clear he didn't much fancy Sidwell in his time at Villa.

15th January 2011, 15:54	#163 (permalink)
Ole's_toe_poke First Team Regular Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 18,932	I still don't understand why O'Neill would go there? Surely Aston Villa to West Ham is a step down. And if he left Villa because of a meddling owner then one can't help but feel Sullivan, Gold and Brady are worse. I thought he'd be looking out for a higher job. Very weird decision from O'Neill if true.

15th January 2011, 17:57	#165 (permalink)
Solius Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Fucker shits Posts: 40,586	If I was Grant I'd have just left already. Terrible treatment, no matter how badly he's done.

15th January 2011, 18:11	#167 (permalink)
cw1984 Compulsive wanker Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Guiding Cardiff to the promised land just so I can wipe that smug fucking grin of Cider's face. Posts: 24,006	Harsh or not he really does need to go. This West Ham side are truly awful.

15th January 2011, 18:25	#168 (permalink)
Kelvin Banned Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 21,510	dead man walking.......

15th January 2011, 19:29	#169 (permalink)
Drifter No Lifer Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 30,930	He looked like a man ready to accept his fate

15th January 2011, 22:52	#172 (permalink)
B Cantona Desperate Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Hated, Adored, Never Ignored Posts: 40,427	Does 'for now' mean the next twenty minutes? How did the O'Neill stuff reach the BBC today anyway. West Ham source leak it? If not, it's hardly their fault. I guess morally they shouldn't be negotiating a currently filled position, but in fairness, they are significantly upping the standard of candidate in Martin O'Neill, Grant is bottom of the table, West Ham do look shambolic at times despite having a decent squad, and it's difficult to argue the club isn't doing the right thing for their long term fortunes A lot being said for Grant's dignity, at some point that means resigning and if he so wishes bringing a constructive dismissal case against the club

15th January 2011, 22:56	#173 (permalink)
moses Gone fishing Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: A sizeable fondness for drab and dreary pastimes in The Free State. Posts: 9,539	The way the BBC were speaking this morning was very odd, well very odd now that Avram is still at West Ham. On RTE they said O Neill had cooled on the idea today and that tomorrows back page headlines which will be dominated by O Neill and Keane at West Ham (well over here anyway) were all a bit premature. Manner of the sacking aside, does he know anything about football. How did he become such a high profile figure?

16th January 2011, 02:02	#175 (permalink)
moses Gone fishing Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: A sizeable fondness for drab and dreary pastimes in The Free State. Posts: 9,539	Surely his bubble has well and truly burst now?

18th January 2011, 09:40	#178 (permalink)
Drifter No Lifer Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 30,930	What a farce.Avram looks like he's staying and have identified possible transfer targets for him to strengthen the squad.

6th March 2011, 06:16	#185 (permalink)
Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber Thus says Kemo Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Founder of IhateMakeleles.org and Gourcufffanboysareus.com Posts: 39,438	Hitzlsperger's return is doing wonders.

18th January 2011, 10:45	#179 (permalink)
Stack Leave Pep Guardiola alone!!! Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Auckland New Zealand Posts: 1,150	Well I for one hope Grant succeeds for the simple fact he has been treated like shite by West Ham and everyone everywhere is writing him off. I like an underdog, hope he pulls off a miracle and keeps them up.

5th March 2011, 17:34	#180 (permalink)
Frosty Logical and sensible but turns women gay Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 11,786	Could Avram keep the Hammers up? Two wins in a row in the Prem, three in all competitions.

5th March 2011, 17:40	#181 (permalink)
Sean_RedDevil Twitter bot Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Birmingham + Londinium Posts: 9,977	They`re now to good to going down, some great transfers in January (Keane, Ba, Bridge) + some players are back from injury (Hitzlsperger).

5th March 2011, 17:43	#182 (permalink)
Frosty Logical and sensible but turns women gay Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 11,786	One defeat in 7.... just in time for our game at Upton Park?

5th March 2011, 17:47	#183 (permalink)
Tibs First Team Sub Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Gtr. Manchester Posts: 9,548	Fair play to Avram Grant - the tide is turning.. Could the team that is better than Barcelona, be going down to the Championship?

5th March 2011, 18:06	#184 (permalink)
cw1984 Compulsive wanker Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Guiding Cardiff to the promised land just so I can wipe that smug fucking grin of Cider's face. Posts: 24,006	Some very good signings in January. Stoke must be kicking themselves for not taking Ba when they had the chance.

6th March 2011, 06:33	#186 (permalink)
Alex Banned Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: ____ Posts: 42,275	Grant is an amusing enough character, I think he is a pretty good manager and is going to get West Ham out of the drop, I dont really care if West Ham stay up or pop back down into the Championship.

6th March 2011, 06:36	#187 (permalink)
Bearded but no genius Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: "You sir, are the syphilitic cockbiscuit son of a hamster rimmer."; "Sir Alex Ferguson, trainer of the English champions, wants to start the spoon fruits since early." PS. What on God's Green Earth is "SpoSpa"? PPS. "cubs > scouts" Posts: 68,155	Where has Amir been during this run?

8th May 2011, 13:58	#188 (permalink)
Frosty Logical and sensible but turns women gay Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 11,786	So, if West Ham lose again they are down.

8th May 2011, 14:00	#189 (permalink)
Brophs Brewlio's fugly sister Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Why don't we just kill Badger? Posts: 27,706	They should have acted earlier. O'Neill or Allardyce before or during the window and they'd be well clear of relegation, IMHO.

8th May 2011, 14:08	#190 (permalink)
McGrathsipan Promised an Avatar, got a Tag Line! Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Over the Hill Posts: 9,505	grant will be sacked when they go down and he will dissapear. I cant see clubs climbing over themselves to get him.

8th May 2011, 14:20	#191 (permalink)
Randall Flagg Scarlett woman ( Frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn ) Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 16,681	He has been found out big time. West Ham aint great. But their aquad is far better than their league position suggests.

13th January 2012, 17:05	#192 (permalink)
Sean_RedDevil Twitter bot Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Birmingham + Londinium Posts: 9,977	New manager of Partizan Belgrade.

11th March 2012, 18:28	#194 (permalink)
Amir First Team Regular Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Rehovot, Israel Posts: 16,092	Well, he's two matches into his new role, both draws, and a ten point gap is down to six. Oh, and Partizan fans protested today, demanding his sacking. Nice start!

17th May 2012, 19:57	#195 (permalink)
Amir First Team Regular Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Rehovot, Israel Posts: 16,092	He's leaving Partizan after a few months. Won the Serbian title (well, he took over in mid season with a 10 point lead...), but lost all three matches against Red Star, two of them in the cup. His agent insists he has offers in England. I can't see someone being so stupid again...

17th May 2012, 20:51	#197 (permalink)
Amir First Team Regular Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Rehovot, Israel Posts: 16,092	Wolves already got Solbakken. I'd hope Lerner learned from his McLeish debacle...