Barcelona - a lot of moaning about them and some praise

adexkola · 28th April 2011, 16:23

His rubbish obviously influenced the ref into sending Pepe off, otherwise it would have been a definite yellow.

Donkey's Ears · 28th April 2011, 16:25

Loving that Real video. Wish we had something as partisan as that on our website.

adexkola · 28th April 2011, 16:25

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Originally Posted by Red Hand Devil

Is this the one?

I'd deck him if we ever met.

MrMarcello · 28th April 2011, 16:25

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Originally Posted by Red Hand Devil

Is this the one?

Don't ever let me run FIFA or UEFA or I'd be handing five figure fines on seeing replays of this bullshit. The fine would double for a repeat offender and then a suspension for a third infraction.

It's clear as day this face-clutching is a taught tactic.

Pogue Mahone · 28th April 2011, 16:26

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Originally Posted by VoetbalWizard

i remember ronnie going studs up sliding very high against city (i think), about 4-5 years ago and even though he didn't connect (the player jumped over), he got a red.

You can get a red for intent. Pepe went dangerously high with studs up.

Correct.

Here's another "tackle" with no contact that should have been a red (but wasn't)

Donkey's Ears · 28th April 2011, 16:26

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Originally Posted by Pogue Mahone

Aye, just seen the video. There was no contact.

Mind you, that doesn't mean it's not a red card.

One thing that video does do is make the challenge look worse than I first thought. If Alves didn't pull out the way he did it could have been a nasty injury. Studs showing, leg locked straight, coming in over the top of the ball. Not nice at all. Even the expression on his face is incriminating. Definite yellow card, red just about deserved.

True but equally Barca should have been down to about 9 men for the amount of simulation they indulged in.

He gave in eventually to Barca's antics

Boss · 28th April 2011, 16:27

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Originally Posted by adexkola

His rubbish obviously influenced the ref into sending Pepe off, otherwise it would have been a definite yellow.

Was it alves who made that loud scream when Pepe caught him?

That influenced the Ref greatly but with those sort of challenges it's always tricky in Europe.

I think it would've been a yellow in England.

Pogue Mahone · 28th April 2011, 16:28

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Originally Posted by adexkola

His rubbish obviously influenced the ref into sending Pepe off, otherwise it would have been a definite yellow.

If that was true, why didn't he send anyone off when Pedro and Busquets were rolling round the place holding their faces?

For all the antics of both sides, I think the ref got most of the big decisions right last night.

R_Kelly · 28th April 2011, 16:29

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Originally Posted by Red Hand Devil

Is this the one?

Nah, the video is on the link I posted if you want to view it mate.

Mockers just posted that 'my face hurts' one on twitter though, it's cringe inducing.

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Originally Posted by Pogue Mahone

Aye, just seen the video. There was no contact.

Mind you, that doesn't mean it's not a red card.

One thing that video does do is make the challenge look worse than I first thought. If Alves didn't pull out the way he did it could have been a nasty injury. Studs showing, leg locked straight, coming in over the top of the ball. Not nice at all. Even the expression on his face is incriminating. Definite yellow card, red just about deserved.

True enough, I still reckon it was harsh though, I'd say worthy of a yellow but not a red for me.

Pogue Mahone · 28th April 2011, 16:31

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Originally Posted by Donkey's Ears

True but equally Barca should have been down to about 9 men for the amount of simulation they indulged in.

He gave in eventually to Barca's antics

I'd love to have seen him book Arbeloa for the shoulder charge and Pedro for pretending he was hit in the face when the contact was obviously in his chest. That would have been a great bit of refereeing.

R_Kelly · 28th April 2011, 16:31

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Originally Posted by Pogue Mahone

Correct.

Here's another "tackle" with no contact that should have been a red (but wasn't)

That still makes my blood boil, fuck a red card he should have been banned for months for that.

Donkey's Ears · 28th April 2011, 16:36

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Originally Posted by R_Nick

That still makes my blood boil, fuck a red card he should have been banned for months for that.

And it got completely overshadowed by the penalty worth five goals.

Bryan_Munich · 28th April 2011, 16:36

UEFA have opened disciplinary cases against both clubs.

Pogue Mahone · 28th April 2011, 16:40

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Originally Posted by Donkey's Ears

And it got completely overshadowed by the penalty worth five goals.

so true. Amazing that's the same game.

R_Kelly · 28th April 2011, 16:40

Oliver Kay

Uefa case against Barcelona relates to sub keeper Pinto's red card. Case against Real includes Pepe red, Mourinho dismissal, Mourinho comments, throwing of missiles and a pitch invasion

Quite amusing that Madrid seem to have more to answer for, cnuts though they are.

adexkola · 28th April 2011, 16:41

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Originally Posted by Pogue Mahone

If that was true, why didn't he send anyone off when Pedro and Busquets were rolling round the place holding their faces?

For all the antics of both sides, I think the ref got most of the big decisions right last night.

I meant him getting on the stretcher. I think you explained that already, something about imagining pain.

Pogue Mahone · 28th April 2011, 16:42

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Originally Posted by adexkola

I meant him getting on the stretcher. I think you explained that already, something about imagining pain.

The red card was out long before the stretcher arrived.

adexkola · 28th April 2011, 16:45

Fair enough.

He (Alves) is still a wanker though

Pogue Mahone · 28th April 2011, 16:46

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Originally Posted by adexkola

Fair enough.

He (Alves) is still a wanker though

Fo sho.

Bryan_Munich · 28th April 2011, 16:48

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Originally Posted by R_Nick

Oliver Kay

Uefa case against Barcelona relates to sub keeper Pinto's red card. Case against Real includes Pepe red, Mourinho dismissal, Mourinho comments, throwing of missiles and a pitch invasion

Quite amusing that Madrid seem to have more to answer for, cnuts though they are.

Fuck me, is that it?

Pogue Mahone · 28th April 2011, 16:49

Do they review all red cards as some sort of formality?

R_Kelly · 28th April 2011, 16:50

I think they should send a team of expert physicians to Barca to complete full body scans, it seems a lot of their players have nerve endings that all create pain in their face, could be a serious issue.

Pogue Mahone · 28th April 2011, 16:53

The funny thing is, I can see the Pinto card getting rescinded. Looking at the video on the Madrid website it was Arbeloa that pushed him, rather than the other way round.

Be hilarious if that happened. Jose's head would explode.

R_Kelly · 28th April 2011, 16:57

Pinto slapped him though, didn't he? That's what they said last night.

Just remembered as well, didn't Puyol throw the corner flag into the crowd?

Pogue Mahone · 28th April 2011, 16:59

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Originally Posted by R_Nick

Pinto slapped him though, didn't he? That's what they said last night.

Just remembered as well, didn't Puyol throw the corner flag into the crowd?

Did he? A massive banfest would be brilliant. Unlikely though.

kouroux · 28th April 2011, 17:01

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Originally Posted by Pogue Mahone

The difference being that teams who park the bus against United have no other choice, they're playing with such an inferior squad. When you've spent as much money as Madrid have these last few years isn't it a bit embarassing to go out there and play like Fulham or Blackburn?

How else were they supposed against Barca other than sit back and wait/hope for some counter attacking opportunities ? They tried the attacking way and were destroyed in the 5-0 defeat and then they tried another approach which worked for them.
Parking the bus against Barca and hitting them on the counter is still the best way to defeat them whether it's in the league, in a final or in a double confrontation (like Chelsea almost did for instance).

Pogue Mahone · 28th April 2011, 17:02

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Originally Posted by kouroux

How else were they supposed against Barca other than sit back and wait/hope for some counter attacking opportunities ? They tried the attacking way and were destroyed in the 5-0 defeat and then they tried another approach which worked for them.
Parking the bus against Barca and hitting them on the counter is still the best way to defeat them whether it's in the league, in a final or in a double confrontation (like Chelsea almost did for instance).

Chelsea were very attacking in their home leg, from memory. It was only when they sat back and tried to protect the scoreline that Barca got on top and eventually scored.

Shimo · 28th April 2011, 17:04

Wow he didn't even catch his leg? I know it's going to happen, where nothing will happen to Barca ever for their behaviour but, my godness how I hope I am wrong.

Surely UEFA for the next game and in the final will have enough backbone to send in referees with instructions to book the Barca players for play acting and not let them fall for their antics. One can argue if their tiki taka play is beautiful or not - no one can argue their play acting to get players sent off is nothing short of despicable.

kouroux · 28th April 2011, 17:04

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Originally Posted by adexkola

His rubbish obviously influenced the ref into sending Pepe off, otherwise it would have been a definite yellow.

How can you be so sure of that ?

reelworld · 28th April 2011, 17:07

We parked the bus against Barca back then when they're not even this good. And we have the best backfour in Europe at the time. Madrid tactics are fine and perfectly understandable. Yes, even with the most expensive team assembled. They're not as good a team as Barca yet.

Arruda · 28th April 2011, 17:07

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Originally Posted by Niall

How to dive & cheat like Barca & Real:

I loved that

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Originally Posted by Kevin

And they had the nerve to kick up a massive fuss and surround the referee demanding red cards... absolute cunts. I used to favor Barca as well.

Xavi after the match: "football won."

And UEFA tremendously worried about deliberate yellow cards...

Godfather · 28th April 2011, 17:09

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Originally Posted by Pogue Mahone

Bit of a random point but one of Chelsea's youth team players was stretchered off with his leg in an inflatable brace recently, before sheepishly asking to come back on a few moments later. It is possible to think you're seriously hurt only to recover shortly afterwards.

Knowing Alves, though, it's hard to give him the benefit of any doubt.

Oh Pogue...He wasnt even touched you know? But go on with your Barca love.

Anyway I hope (when we go through to the final) that the ref watches those antics closely.
Ferdinand's twitter reaction is class though

kouroux · 28th April 2011, 17:09

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Originally Posted by Pogue Mahone

Chelsea were very attacking in their home leg, from memory. It was only when they sat back and tried to protect the scoreline that Barca got on top and eventually scored.

They were attacking in counter attacks but were not committing a lot of players forward like they usually do.
At 11 vs 10 they still parked the bus

holdsteady · 28th April 2011, 17:12

think this is the video Madrid has posted.

I'm always right · 28th April 2011, 17:13

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Originally Posted by Pogue Mahone

Knowing Alves, though, it's hard to give him the benefit of any doubt.

There is no benefit to be given, tv replays clearly show that he wasn't even touched... quite how a player can "think" he's hurt himself without being touched is a bit of a mystery to me.

Bunch of twats the lot of them, a true "Victory for football" will be United winning the CL.

Adzzz · 28th April 2011, 17:17

The game is going mental, video technology is vital to stomp out not only goal-line decisions but this nonsense and diving. If anything Alves should have been punished for awful diving while Pepe should have received a ticking off for potential dangerous play.

Arruda · 28th April 2011, 17:18

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Originally Posted by holdsteady

think this is the video Madrid has posted.

Touched or not, that's a red card for me.

holdsteady · 28th April 2011, 17:18

Also, if Pepe's is a red, then surely this was as well?

This is from the 1-1 League game.

Godfather · 28th April 2011, 17:25

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Originally Posted by R_Nick

Pinto slapped him though, didn't he? That's what they said last night.

Just remembered as well, didn't Puyol throw the corner flag into the crowd?

Both correct.
What this Pinto lad is all about is strange to say the least. For such a needless guy he is giving himself airs bigtime.

Pogue Mahone · 28th April 2011, 17:27

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Originally Posted by Godfather

Oh Pogue...He wasnt even touched you know? But go on with your Barca love.

Anyway I hope (when we go through to the final) that the ref watches those antics closely.
Ferdinand's twitter reaction is class though

Yeah, "Barca love in" is a fair description of my posts in this thread. Or not.

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28th April 2011, 16:23	#401 (permalink)
adexkola First Team Sub Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Brooklyn, Connecticut. Onwards and upwards. "Take me home, United Road." Posts: 9,810	His rubbish obviously influenced the ref into sending Pepe off, otherwise it would have been a definite yellow.

28th April 2011, 16:25	#402 (permalink)
Donkey's Ears Reserve Team Player Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 1,604	Loving that Real video. Wish we had something as partisan as that on our website.

28th April 2011, 16:36	#413 (permalink)
Bryan_Munich Aka RichieRich12 Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: "If we are around about the top, the second half of the season presents an opportunity for us. With the way this club is organised to perform in the second half of the season, it helps us. It doesn't matter how we get there, or who is around us." Posts: 10,765	UEFA have opened disciplinary cases against both clubs.

28th April 2011, 16:40	#415 (permalink)
R_Kelly No Lifer Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: How do you expect to run with the wolves come night, when you spend all day sparring with the puppies? Posts: 38,660	Oliver Kay Uefa case against Barcelona relates to sub keeper Pinto's red card. Case against Real includes Pepe red, Mourinho dismissal, Mourinho comments, throwing of missiles and a pitch invasion Quite amusing that Madrid seem to have more to answer for, cnuts though they are.

28th April 2011, 16:45	#418 (permalink)
adexkola First Team Sub Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Brooklyn, Connecticut. Onwards and upwards. "Take me home, United Road." Posts: 9,810	Fair enough. He (Alves) is still a wanker though

28th April 2011, 16:49	#421 (permalink)
Pogue Mahone Poster of the year 2008 Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: "like a man in silk pyjamas shooting pigeons from a deckchair" Posts: 59,522	Do they review all red cards as some sort of formality?

28th April 2011, 16:50	#422 (permalink)
R_Kelly No Lifer Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: How do you expect to run with the wolves come night, when you spend all day sparring with the puppies? Posts: 38,660	I think they should send a team of expert physicians to Barca to complete full body scans, it seems a lot of their players have nerve endings that all create pain in their face, could be a serious issue.

28th April 2011, 16:53	#423 (permalink)
Pogue Mahone Poster of the year 2008 Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: "like a man in silk pyjamas shooting pigeons from a deckchair" Posts: 59,522	The funny thing is, I can see the Pinto card getting rescinded. Looking at the video on the Madrid website it was Arbeloa that pushed him, rather than the other way round. Be hilarious if that happened. Jose's head would explode.

28th April 2011, 16:57	#424 (permalink)
R_Kelly No Lifer Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: How do you expect to run with the wolves come night, when you spend all day sparring with the puppies? Posts: 38,660	Pinto slapped him though, didn't he? That's what they said last night. Just remembered as well, didn't Puyol throw the corner flag into the crowd?

28th April 2011, 17:04	#428 (permalink)
Shimo Reserve Team Player Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 4,968	Wow he didn't even catch his leg? I know it's going to happen, where nothing will happen to Barca ever for their behaviour but, my godness how I hope I am wrong. Surely UEFA for the next game and in the final will have enough backbone to send in referees with instructions to book the Barca players for play acting and not let them fall for their antics. One can argue if their tiki taka play is beautiful or not - no one can argue their play acting to get players sent off is nothing short of despicable.

28th April 2011, 17:07	#430 (permalink)
reelworld Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: "I was never a great player" - Roy Keane, after being reminded that great players rarely make great managers. Posts: 6,095	We parked the bus against Barca back then when they're not even this good. And we have the best backfour in Europe at the time. Madrid tactics are fine and perfectly understandable. Yes, even with the most expensive team assembled. They're not as good a team as Barca yet.

28th April 2011, 17:12	#434 (permalink)
holdsteady Reserve Team Player Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 4,405	think this is the video Madrid has posted.

28th April 2011, 17:17	#436 (permalink)
Adzzz Astrophysical Genius Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Don't Put My Swag on a Pedestal, I'll leave you like Owen Hargreaves at a Medical, passing me ain't credible Posts: 21,983	The game is going mental, video technology is vital to stomp out not only goal-line decisions but this nonsense and diving. If anything Alves should have been punished for awful diving while Pepe should have received a ticking off for potential dangerous play.

28th April 2011, 17:18	#438 (permalink)
holdsteady Reserve Team Player Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 4,405	Also, if Pepe's is a red, then surely this was as well? This is from the 1-1 League game.