Benitez: United has spent more than us so we can't win title

LWAR · 4th September 2008, 23:44

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sylar

United "Have" <_<

And stop spending 25m on 6 average signings that hardly play then when you could use that to buy one or two quality players.

A workmate of mine is pissed off that he spent money on Riera and like 4 other players when they could have at least bid for Quaresma before he joined Inter. benitez is a transfer mug.

Riera was second choice to Barry who the owners wouldn't allow Rafa to buy. Arbeloa was second choice to Alves, Zenden was second to Simao (if my memory serves me corectly) etc.

I can't recall a time when your owners have ever blocked Ferguson from buying a player and asked him to settle for the cheaper option. I reckon this is the point Rafa is making, although in fairness I think he's had enough money to put up at least a challenge by now.

Fergies Formula · 5th September 2008, 00:07

17 players since 2004, totaling 184,000,000

van der sar - £2,000,000
rooney - £30,000,000
carrick - £18,000,000
anderson - £18,000,000
hargreaves - £17,000,000
nani - £17,000,000
tevez - £30,000,000
berbatov - £30,750,000
evra - £5,500,000
vidic - £7,000,000
park ji sung - £4,000,000
manucho - free
fabio da silva - £500,000
raphel da silva - £500,000
louis saha - £12,800,000
ben foster - £1,000,000
alan smith - £7,000,000

have i missed anyone??

Fergies Formula · 5th September 2008, 00:20

gabriel "judas" heinze - £7,000,000

peterstorey · 5th September 2008, 00:27

Quote:

Originally Posted by LWAR

Riera was second choice to Barry who the owners wouldn't allow Rafa to buy.

Amazing that a couple of dumb yanks are more clued up about players than Rafa. They were probably stunned that he spent £20M on Keane.

December_16 · 5th September 2008, 00:29

Tevez is not £30m. Yet.

The Hairdryer · 5th September 2008, 00:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by LWAR

Riera was second choice to Barry who the owners wouldn't allow Rafa to buy. Arbeloa was second choice to Alves, Zenden was second to Simao (if my memory serves me corectly) etc.

I can't recall a time when your owners have ever blocked Ferguson from buying a player and asked him to settle for the cheaper option? I reckon this is the point Rafa is making, although in fairness I think he's had enough money to put up at least a challenge by now.

In 2003 our board wouldn't cough up an extra few mill for Ronaldinho and we had to settle for Ronaldo.

MrMarcello · 5th September 2008, 00:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by WeWonItTwoTimes

Their squad wasn't as strong as ours largely because they couldn't match our wage bill.

No it's because Liverpool's squad has more crap in it than United's squad.

Redfighter · 5th September 2008, 00:44

Quote:

Originally Posted by December_16

Tbf, he did recoup lots of it by selling deadwood players though. Net spending shouldn't be astronomical.

It was Benitez who bought the deadwood players though. His transfers/player purchases are awful. He's bout so many average players and no real flair players with the exception of Torres.

For example, Liverpool are lacking width and pace, so he buys Riera for around £8m, when an extra £1m would have got him someone like Wright-Philips. They fail to sign Barry for £18m but someone like Queresma goes to Inter for £15.

I'm not saying these players would want to go to Liverpool but what I am saying is that there are plenty of quality players about who would be cheaper that what Benitez has spent on average players. His obsession with holding midfielders if retarded. Has no-told told him that you can get creative central midfielders too.

Over-rated manager with dull style IMO.

VII · 5th September 2008, 02:23

Quote:

Originally Posted by December_16

Tevez is not £30m. Yet.

And he won't be. £32m is inclusive of his 2 year wages during his loan making him about £22m. Which is cheap because there's no risk, if he's shite we release him after 1 year, if he's good we test drive for another year if we want to.

Sonny Feehan · 5th September 2008, 02:48

Benitez is merely, belatedly jumping on the "poor, poor pitiful us" Scouse bandwagon that has been in overdrive for some time. In this scenario United are always bracketed with Chelsea as if there is some valid comparison in their wealth and the way it was obtained.

RedCanadian · 5th September 2008, 02:59

And Rafa's excuses have already started....

Quote:

Originally Posted by Giggsy PO

Benitez: Rooney is fatter than Torres so we can't win the title

Rafa Benitez believes nobody should expect Liverpool to win The Premier League in the current climate, because their nearest rivals have more fat strikers.

While United's central defender Rio Ferdinand was able to put an extremely fit Fernando Torres to his pocket, Martin Skrtel was denied this opportunity because of Wayne Rooney's overweight.

“We are here to win every trophy, but now we have United, with fat Rooney and Tevez," explained the Spaniard.

“Our supporters need to know that we are always doing our best, but it cannot be a case of ‘oh Fernando bulked some muscles, you have to win’.

"But look at United, Rooney is fatter with every new season, Tevez is very close and they put Berbatov on special diet. That's not fair. There is no way they could be put into the pockets of our defenders. They are not big enough."

" Plus I heard that Ferdinand and Vidic got new pockets. Did my defenders get a new pockets? Of course not. It is not fair to compare us with them unless there is some significant change in pocket's size of our club."

fatboy · 5th September 2008, 03:00

Well, their supporters already use the same arguments, so he knows they'll definitely buy it anyway. But he's doing this a bit early in the season. Maybe he's getting the jitters that even that precious 4th spot may be beyond them this time round.

The Hairdryer · 5th September 2008, 03:19

He was talking his chances up at the start of the summer.

You can't sign players like Ngog, Reira, Dossena, and Degen and expect to challenge for the title.

These are the quality of players the likes of Middlesborough and Fulham sign.

Partizan · 5th September 2008, 07:07

Quote:

Originally Posted by Giggsy PO

Benitez: Rooney is fatter than Torres so we can't win the title

Rafa Benitez believes nobody should expect Liverpool to win The Premier League in the current climate, because their nearest rivals have more fat strikers.

While United's central defender Rio Ferdinand was able to put an extremely fit Fernando Torres to his pocket, Martin Skrtel was denied this opportunity because of Wayne Rooney's overweight.

“We are here to win every trophy, but now we have United, with fat Rooney and Tevez," explained the Spaniard.

“Our supporters need to know that we are always doing our best, but it cannot be a case of ‘oh Fernando bulked some muscles, you have to win’.

"But look at United, Rooney is fatter with every new season, Tevez is very close and they put Berbatov on special diet. That's not fair. There is no way they could be put into the pockets of our defenders. They are not big enough."

" Plus I heard that Ferdinand and Vidic got new pockets. Did my defenders get a new pockets? Of course not. It is not fair to compare us with them unless there is some significant change in pocket's size of our club."

Aporkalypse · 5th September 2008, 07:18

It's like complaining your brother got one big awesome present for Christmas instead of the equivalent in stocking filler shite.

The Hairdryer · 5th September 2008, 07:22

Top Summer Gross Spending 2008 (England)

£77mil Man City (Mark Hughes)
£67.1mil Tottenham (Juande Ramos)
£43.9mil Aston Villa (Martin O'Neill)
£40.3mil Liverpool (Rafa Benitez)
£30.75mil Man Utd (Alex Ferguson)
£26.25mil Sunderland (Roy Keane)
£24.3mil Chelsea (Luiz Felipe Scolari)
£23mil Newcastle (Kevin Keegan)
£20.3mil West Brom (Tony Mowbray)
£18mil Bolton (Gary Megson)
£17.4mil Fulham (Roy Hodgson)
£16.55 Arsenal (Arsene Wenger)
£16.5mil Stoke (Tony Pullis)
£15mil Everton (David Moyes)
£14.2mil Portsmouth (Harry Redknapp)
£10.2mil Middlesbrough (Gareth Southgate)
£8.8mil Blackburn (Paul Ince)
£7.9mil Hull (Phil Brown)
£7mil Wigan (Steve Bruce)
£5.7mil West Ham (Alan Curbishley)

Biggest spender of the "Big four" and you can't say that Liverpool have improved on last year. It looks like one giant shit shuffle to me.

032Devil · 5th September 2008, 07:25

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ander8on

52 players in 4 years totaling £190million - poor Liverpool

Josemi £2,000,000
Antonio Nunez £1,500,000*
Luis Garcia £6,000,000
Xabi Alonso £10,700,000
Mauricio Pellegrino Free
Fernando Morientes £6,300,000
Scott Carson £1,000,000
Antonio Barragan £240,000
Boudewijn Zenden Free*
Jose Reina £6,000,000
Mohamed Sissoko £5,600,000
Peter Crouch £7,000,000
Godwin Antwi Unknown
Miki Roque Unknown
Jack Hobbs £150,000*
Besian Idrizaj £190,000*
Mark Gonzalez £1,500,000*
Paul Anderson Player Exchange*
Jan Kromkamp Player Exchange*
Daniel Agger £5,800,000
David Martin £250,000*
Robbie Fowler Free
Craig Bellamy £6,000,000
Gabriel Paletta £2,000,000
Fábio Aurélio Free
Jermaine Pennant £6,700,000
Dirk Kuyt £9,000,000
Nabil El Zhar £200,000
Astrit Ajdarevic £750,000*
Daniele Padelli On Loan*
Jordy Brouwer Undisclosed*
Francisco Durán £66,000*
Ronald Huth Undisclosed
Álvaro Arbeloa £2,500,000
Javier Mascherano On Loan
Lucas Leiva £5,000,000
Mikel San José Domínguez £270,000
Sebastian Leto £1,800,000
Fernando Torres £20,200,000
Andriy Voronin Free*
Yossi Benayoun £5,000,000
Ryan Babel £11,500,000
Charles Itandje Undisclosed
Emiliano Insúa £1,300,000*
Martin Skrtel £6,500,000
Javier Mascherano £17,000,000
Philipp Degen Free*
Andrea Dossena £7,000,000
Diego Cavalieri £3,500,000
David Ngog £1,500,000
Robbie Keane £19,000,000*
Albert Riera £8,000,000

http://www.lfchistory.net/stats_tran...d =20&InOut=1

They've bought him last season. I think the fee was about £19m.

So, Liverpool's total spending is £209m (based on your figures).

032Devil · 5th September 2008, 07:28

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Hairdryer

In 2003 our board wouldn't cough up an extra few mill for Ronaldinho and we had to settle for Ronaldo.

But that was also the time Kenyon was screwing with United prior to his departure to Chelsea.

Man Utd Mrs · 5th September 2008, 07:51

Quote:

Originally Posted by Giggsy PO

Benitez: Rooney is fatter than Torres so we can't win the title

Rafa Benitez believes nobody should expect Liverpool to win The Premier League in the current climate, because their nearest rivals have more fat strikers.

While United's central defender Rio Ferdinand was able to put an extremely fit Fernando Torres to his pocket, Martin Skrtel was denied this opportunity because of Wayne Rooney's overweight.

“We are here to win every trophy, but now we have United, with fat Rooney and Tevez," explained the Spaniard.

“Our supporters need to know that we are always doing our best, but it cannot be a case of ‘oh Fernando bulked some muscles, you have to win’.

"But look at United, Rooney is fatter with every new season, Tevez is very close and they put Berbatov on special diet. That's not fair. There is no way they could be put into the pockets of our defenders. They are not big enough."

" Plus I heard that Ferdinand and Vidic got new pockets. Did my defenders get a new pockets? Of course not. It is not fair to compare us with them unless there is some significant change in pocket's size of our club."

I like it!

CnutOfAllCnuts · 5th September 2008, 08:44

Quote:

Originally Posted by LWAR

Riera was second choice to Barry who the owners wouldn't allow Rafa to buy. Arbeloa was second choice to Alves, Zenden was second to Simao (if my memory serves me corectly) etc.

I can't recall a time when your owners have ever blocked Ferguson from buying a player and asked him to settle for the cheaper option. I reckon this is the point Rafa is making, although in fairness I think he's had enough money to put up at least a challenge by now.

The BIG difference is, when Benitez doesn't get his target, he goes out and spend x millions on mediocre players.

When Sir Alex doesn't get his target, he waits until he gets him, see Hargreaves, see Berbatov.

Benitez has spent massive amounts on crap. He is a tranfser spaz.

Mannheim Red · 5th September 2008, 08:51

Quote:

Originally Posted by Red Devil 26

This is plain ridiculous. Can't the media just underline the flaws in the crap he's spouting.

If that happens then the only newspapers sold on Merseyside will be the Echo.

Red For Ever · 5th September 2008, 08:59

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sylar

United "Have" <_<

And stop spending 25m on 6 average signings that hardly play then when you could use that to buy one or two quality players.

A workmate of mine is pissed off that he spent money on Riera and like 4 other players when they could have at least bid for Quaresma before he joined Inter. benitez is a transfer mug.

Maybe he looks at Wenger who has a reputation of buying low priced relatively unknown players and turning them into high value stars. The difference is Wenger appears to know what he is doing in that respect Benitez clearly does not

prateik · 5th September 2008, 09:00

wait , why is he even comparing liverpool to united

arsenal have spent much much less and they finished a comfortable 3rd with liverpool never looking to challenge them

the money spent is a lame lame excuse

baby steps rafael .. get to 3rd first

Marching · 5th September 2008, 09:00

Quote:

Originally Posted by Giggsy PO

Benitez: Rooney is fatter than Torres so we can't win the title

Rafa Benitez believes nobody should expect Liverpool to win The Premier League in the current climate, because their nearest rivals have more fat strikers.

While United's central defender Rio Ferdinand was able to put an extremely fit Fernando Torres to his pocket, Martin Skrtel was denied this opportunity because of Wayne Rooney's overweight.

“We are here to win every trophy, but now we have United, with fat Rooney and Tevez," explained the Spaniard.

“Our supporters need to know that we are always doing our best, but it cannot be a case of ‘oh Fernando bulked some muscles, you have to win’.

"But look at United, Rooney is fatter with every new season, Tevez is very close and they put Berbatov on special diet. That's not fair. There is no way they could be put into the pockets of our defenders. They are not big enough."

" Plus I heard that Ferdinand and Vidic got new pockets. Did my defenders get a new pockets? Of course not. It is not fair to compare us with them unless there is some significant change in pocket's size of our club."

The sad thing about that is it really could be Benitez saying it.

He's a prat.

jasonrh · 5th September 2008, 09:01

They've still spent the most net of any team in the Premier League Era.

Benitez has signed something like 50 players in his 4 years.

It isn't our fault you don't know what to do with your money, Manuel.

jasonrh · 5th September 2008, 09:03

Quote:

Originally Posted by LWAR

Riera was second choice to Barry who the owners wouldn't allow Rafa to buy.

Did Carra tell you that?

Marching · 5th September 2008, 09:05

Quote:

Originally Posted by jasonrh

They've still spent the most net of any team in the Premier League Era.

Benitez has signed something like 50 players in his 4 years.

It isn't our fault you don't know what to do with your money, Manuel.

If it was his money I'm sure he'd be more careful with it.

5th September 2008, 00:07	#42 (permalink)
Fergies Formula Reserve Team Player Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Brighton/ London Posts: 1,865	17 players since 2004, totaling 184,000,000 van der sar - £2,000,000 rooney - £30,000,000 carrick - £18,000,000 anderson - £18,000,000 hargreaves - £17,000,000 nani - £17,000,000 tevez - £30,000,000 berbatov - £30,750,000 evra - £5,500,000 vidic - £7,000,000 park ji sung - £4,000,000 manucho - free fabio da silva - £500,000 raphel da silva - £500,000 louis saha - £12,800,000 ben foster - £1,000,000 alan smith - £7,000,000 have i missed anyone??

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Fergies Formula Reserve Team Player Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Brighton/ London Posts: 1,865	gabriel "judas" heinze - £7,000,000

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December_16 Arse wiper and cock washer Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Football that just makes you purrrrrr Posts: 3,370	Tevez is not £30m. Yet.

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Sonny Feehan Reserve Team Player Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 1,134	Benitez is merely, belatedly jumping on the "poor, poor pitiful us" Scouse bandwagon that has been in overdrive for some time. In this scenario United are always bracketed with Chelsea as if there is some valid comparison in their wealth and the way it was obtained.

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fatboy Reserve Team Player Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 2,301	Well, their supporters already use the same arguments, so he knows they'll definitely buy it anyway. But he's doing this a bit early in the season. Maybe he's getting the jitters that even that precious 4th spot may be beyond them this time round.

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The Hairdryer Crikey that stung Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Never argue with a fool. They'll just drag you down to their level then beat you with experience Posts: 11,949	He was talking his chances up at the start of the summer. You can't sign players like Ngog, Reira, Dossena, and Degen and expect to challenge for the title. These are the quality of players the likes of Middlesborough and Fulham sign.

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Aporkalypse Reserve Team Player Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Paphos, Cyprus Posts: 1,811	It's like complaining your brother got one big awesome present for Christmas instead of the equivalent in stocking filler shite.

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The Hairdryer Crikey that stung Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Never argue with a fool. They'll just drag you down to their level then beat you with experience Posts: 11,949	Top Summer Gross Spending 2008 (England) £77mil Man City (Mark Hughes) £67.1mil Tottenham (Juande Ramos) £43.9mil Aston Villa (Martin O'Neill) £40.3mil Liverpool (Rafa Benitez) £30.75mil Man Utd (Alex Ferguson) £26.25mil Sunderland (Roy Keane) £24.3mil Chelsea (Luiz Felipe Scolari) £23mil Newcastle (Kevin Keegan) £20.3mil West Brom (Tony Mowbray) £18mil Bolton (Gary Megson) £17.4mil Fulham (Roy Hodgson) £16.55 Arsenal (Arsene Wenger) £16.5mil Stoke (Tony Pullis) £15mil Everton (David Moyes) £14.2mil Portsmouth (Harry Redknapp) £10.2mil Middlesbrough (Gareth Southgate) £8.8mil Blackburn (Paul Ince) £7.9mil Hull (Phil Brown) £7mil Wigan (Steve Bruce) £5.7mil West Ham (Alan Curbishley) Biggest spender of the "Big four" and you can't say that Liverpool have improved on last year. It looks like one giant shit shuffle to me.

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prateik Reserve Team Player Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 3,106	wait , why is he even comparing liverpool to united arsenal have spent much much less and they finished a comfortable 3rd with liverpool never looking to challenge them the money spent is a lame lame excuse baby steps rafael .. get to 3rd first

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jasonrh Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: "You sir, are the syphilitic cockbiscuit son of a hamster rimmer."; "Sir Alex Ferguson, trainer of the English champions, wants to start the spoon fruits since early." Posts: 59,058	They've still spent the most net of any team in the Premier League Era. Benitez has signed something like 50 players in his 4 years. It isn't our fault you don't know what to do with your money, Manuel.