Benitez: United has spent more than us so we can't win title

vijay · 6th September 2008, 10:50

Why the feck you nutters are tearing apart Rafa and wanting him to get sacked? He is doing a teriffic job at the moment and may it continue for long.

Jacob · 6th September 2008, 10:53

He added £14M on those transfers in total, quite amazing.

horselesspaul · 6th September 2008, 11:04

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Originally Posted by December_16

I don't understand why he has to insist on regurgitate these old and lame excuses year after year.

"3 players short of a title winning side". Again.

Ander8on · 6th September 2008, 11:04

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We need to be signing stars of today; not tomorrow!

It seems every other week Rafa snaps up the next big thing; a young player from abroad who 'might' make the grade in 3-4 years time; but when are we going to give up on this policy and go for people who are at the top level already rather than buying young and hoping it will pay off?

http://www.anfieldred.co.uk/node/2399

Looks like they're already questioning Benitez's purchases, in the middle of their peak time of the season.

Danish Voice · 6th September 2008, 12:17

I don't understand that post. They've not signed the stars for today or the stars for tomorrow. They've signed even more shit.

Ander8on · 6th September 2008, 12:26

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Originally Posted by Danish Voice

I don't understand that post. They've not signed the stars for today or the stars for tomorrow. They've signed even more shit.

They've just spent £20million on a player, but instead of embracing this - the author of that column has criticised the purchases of young players. Reading between the line it looks like they would prefer one brilliant player, than one good player, and a mixture of youth & shite.

Dippersripper · 6th September 2008, 12:37

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Originally Posted by Danish Voice

I don't understand that post. They've not signed the stars for today or the stars for tomorrow. They've signed even more shit.

Chorley1974 · 6th September 2008, 12:43

Over 50 players signed by Benitez says it all. The old mantra that they had a major rebuilding project on the squad just doesn't add up now that Rafa has had 4 seasons, and has proved he has cash to spend on the likes of Torres, Mascherano, and Keane.

GaryLifo · 6th September 2008, 13:12

Looking at RAWK they basically locked the thread where this was discussed after saying that the figures from transfer league were wrong.

They seem to miss the point that even if they are wrong by 10-20% it still shows that Rafa has had at least 150-170 million to spend.

You wait though, at the moment he's a transfer genius who is hard done by with money. When he goes at the end of another titleless season, they will all be saying what a bunch of crap he bought and how he spent a fortune.

It's all about hindsight bias at the end of the day.

Team Brian GB · 6th September 2008, 13:17

What a way to inspire your new players Mr Benitez- well done.

poisson · 6th September 2008, 13:21

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GaryLifo · 6th September 2008, 13:37

Bottom line.

Benitez has had enough money and time to have built a side that can mount a proper challenge. Even if it turned out they just missed out on the title they could then add a player or two to take them further. Instead they haven't been anywhere near it in four seasons thus far, and they won't be anywhere near it again this season despite having won a couple of games they shouldn't have.

It's a good job United are so lucky and have all the referees in our back pocket else we might be as bad as them with their far superior squad.

St Red · 6th September 2008, 15:00

I cant defend Rafa poor signings, and there have been a few.
Some can be down to bad luck, but most I'm afraid are down to poor judgement.

A lot of our fans are blinkered though, coming out with shite like "we should have gone for Villa or Silva" or some other big name star.

2 problems there, we got lucky with Torres, he adapted straight away and had a great first season, something that doesn't always work out.

Secondly, Liverpool may not be as appealing as a lot of fans think they are, some of the bigger names may not want to come to Liverpool.

Rafa ssems to have instilled more determination into the squad now though, where in recent seasons they would probably have given up a little and accepted draws with Sunderland and Boro, they kept going to the end.

But the bullshit excuses from manager and players alike need to stop, and just get on with doing the best they can.

Getting results while playing badly is a good sign that prviously has been lacking.

Dublin Red · 6th September 2008, 21:11

Quote:

Originally Posted by GaryLifo

Looking at RAWK they basically locked the thread where this was discussed after saying that the figures from transfer league were wrong.

They seem to miss the point that even if they are wrong by 10-20% it still shows that Rafa has had at least 150-170 million to spend.

You wait though, at the moment he's a transfer genius who is hard done by with money. When he goes at the end of another titleless season, they will all be saying what a bunch of crap he bought and how he spent a fortune.

It's all about hindsight bias at the end of the day.

Missing the point indeed. The figures from Transferleague are pretty similar to the ones from LFC history.net posted earlier in this thread.

IBleedRed · 6th September 2008, 21:14

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Originally Posted by Giggsy PO

Benitez: Rooney is fatter than Torres so we can't win the title

Rafa Benitez believes nobody should expect Liverpool to win The Premier League in the current climate, because their nearest rivals have more fat strikers.

While United's central defender Rio Ferdinand was able to put an extremely fit Fernando Torres to his pocket, Martin Skrtel was denied this opportunity because of Wayne Rooney's overweight.

“We are here to win every trophy, but now we have United, with fat Rooney and Tevez," explained the Spaniard.

“Our supporters need to know that we are always doing our best, but it cannot be a case of ‘oh Fernando bulked some muscles, you have to win’.

"But look at United, Rooney is fatter with every new season, Tevez is very close and they put Berbatov on special diet. That's not fair. There is no way they could be put into the pockets of our defenders. They are not big enough."

" Plus I heard that Ferdinand and Vidic got new pockets. Did my defenders get a new pockets? Of course not. It is not fair to compare us with them unless there is some significant change in pocket's size of our club."

thats fucking quality

Richter · 12th September 2008, 17:24

Guess who is talking about United's spending again....

Rafa rues United spending power
by Tom Kell, 12 September 2008

Rafa Benitez has stoked the fires ahead of Manchester United’s trip to Anfield by suggesting that Sir Alex Ferguson continues to be at an advantage because of the superior spending power he has.

Benitez has never been shy in grumbling about the lack of money at his disposal, especially since the club was taken over by American co-owners Tom Hicks and George Gillett.

The Spaniard has never looked particularly strapped for cash when the transfer window is open but, in fairness, was forced to clear the decks of some of The Reds’ dead wood before reinforcing this summer.

He still invested heavily – with Ferguson raising his eyebrows at the £20 million fee paid for Robbie Keane – but Benitez insists his ability to add to his squad is dwarfed by that of Ferguson, who parted with upwards of £30 million to land Dimitar Berbatov on transfer deadline day.

“He’s a good player, another good player,” Benitez said at his pre-match press conference.

“If you talk about the price we cannot match them because their strikers are £60 million – I know ours are 40.

“But Ferguson was talking about the price of Keane and I was surprised because he pays 30 million for a lot of players and 20 for the majority of them.

“But, in terms of quality our strikers are good. He spends 30 million on three or four players every year.

“It’s okay, he can talk but maybe he has to remember how much money they spend on players every year.

“The last game we play against them they had [Owen] Hargreaves, Nani and [Carlos] Tevez on the bench – we are talking about £70 million.”
http://sport.setanta.com/en/Sport/Ne...pending-power/

That's £36 million so far. He only added £34 million this time

Ander8on · 12th September 2008, 17:29

"Maybe he (Ferguson) has to think about how much money United are spending every year on a lot of players," added Benitez.

http://www.teamtalk.com/football/sto...136048,00.html

Hellboy · 12th September 2008, 17:39

Aha, Tevez + Hargreaves + Nani = £70 millions.

Maths mates !

Castolo · 12th September 2008, 17:42

Torres - £27m
Keane - £20m
Mascherano - £17m
Skrtel - £6m

That's where he got the £70m from!

Danish Voice · 12th September 2008, 17:46

He's the most stupid manager in the Premiership. He's shit with numbers and now he can't even see the logic in Ferguson's Keane comments.

prateik · 12th September 2008, 17:48

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Originally Posted by Castolo

Torres - £27m
Keane - £20m
Mascherano - £17m-- 18.6
Skrtel - £6m - 6.75

That's where he got the £70m from!

11.5 on babel
7m for dossenna
8m for reira

no money for transfers

Devil_forever · 12th September 2008, 17:52

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Originally Posted by [Hellboy]17

Aha, Tevez + Hargreaves + Nani = £70 millions.

Maths mates !

I think he quoted the money that we WILL HAVE TO PAY eventually for tevez, nani and hargo.

Tevez: £32 mill (dunno if that includes the £10 mill loan fee or not)
Nani: £17 mill
Hargo: £18 mill rising to £20 mill

so thats a possible £69 mill. But what Benitez leaves out is that he has spent quite a bit too on players.

Ander8on · 12th September 2008, 17:57

GaryLifo · 12th September 2008, 19:19

What an excuse making bell end.

We've not had the money to spend that chelsea have spent and in 2006 things were looking a bit bleak in terms of ever being able to best Chelsea in the league.

Did fergie moan and whinge about how much they spent?

Did he fuck. He got on with his job of building another quality side which was capable of overtaking Chelsea and their millions.

Arsenal have mounted many more title wins and challenges over the years than the moaning defeatist scouse cunts and have done so on half the budget that Benitez has had in his tenure.

This money thing is just a convenient excuse and one which you wouldn't catch our manager making no matter how hard things became.

Face facts, pound for pound Fergie has made better buys than Rafa for players of similar value.

Vidic and Evra cost 11 million in total, the price of one lump of shite known as Dirk Kuyt.

We've spent less money thus far on Tevez than they did on the largely ineffective crap known as Cisse.

The combined fees of Pennant, Bellamy and Crouch were the same as we spent on Carrick. We won the league that season, all three of those players didn't take them any further than they were already.

Fuck off Rafa. You are a decent manager, but not a top class one.

KRAP

Nem 7 · 12th September 2008, 20:18

How does Rafa spend more money than Wenger but still finishes behind him every season bar one?

Chorley1974 · 12th September 2008, 20:26

Tibs · 12th September 2008, 20:46

He really is a moron.

come on Fergie - make him cry tomorrow

77 · 13th September 2008, 00:08

He's more delusional than the Dippers fans...

you have you're 'value for money' signings and we'll carry on signing Champions

Kelvin · 13th September 2008, 04:10

idiot.

Since Benitez took over at Liverpool in June 2004, he has spent £188m on 26 players.

During the same period, Fergie has spent £177.5m on 14 players.

Vanrouge · 13th September 2008, 04:31

Quote:

Originally Posted by St Red

I cant defend Rafa poor signings, and there have been a few.
Some can be down to bad luck, but most I'm afraid are down to poor judgement.

A lot of our fans are blinkered though, coming out with shite like "we should have gone for Villa or Silva" or some other big name star.

2 problems there, we got lucky with Torres, he adapted straight away and had a great first season, something that doesn't always work out.

Secondly, Liverpool may not be as appealing as a lot of fans think they are, some of the bigger names may not want to come to Liverpool.

Rafa ssems to have instilled more determination into the squad now though, where in recent seasons they would probably have given up a little and accepted draws with Sunderland and Boro, they kept going to the end.

But the bullshit excuses from manager and players alike need to stop, and just get on with doing the best they can.

Getting results while playing badly is a good sign that prviously has been lacking.

Credit for this, as no one else seemed to notice or acknowledge a decent post from a dipper. I think this is spot on. The most interesting part, for me, is the question of players who instantly adapt to the Prem. I mean, we had Ruud and your lot have Torres, but also for Veron, read Morientes. What is it that makes some continental or South American imports work out but not others?

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vijay Im rude and disprespectful to the ladies of the forum,though Im happy to cruise Jason and Suresh Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Entertainment Fourm: Winding up the Gaming Gimps Posts: 13,512	Why the feck you nutters are tearing apart Rafa and wanting him to get sacked? He is doing a teriffic job at the moment and may it continue for long.

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Jacob ralugeR maeT tsriF Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: I'm here Posts: 12,264	He added £14M on those transfers in total, quite amazing.

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Danish Voice Reserve Team Player Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 1,380	I don't understand that post. They've not signed the stars for today or the stars for tomorrow. They've signed even more shit.

6th September 2008, 12:43	#128 (permalink)
Chorley1974 Lady Ole Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 3,207	Over 50 players signed by Benitez says it all. The old mantra that they had a major rebuilding project on the squad just doesn't add up now that Rafa has had 4 seasons, and has proved he has cash to spend on the likes of Torres, Mascherano, and Keane.

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GaryLifo Nice Bloke Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Davo thinks I'm weird Posts: 3,525	Looking at RAWK they basically locked the thread where this was discussed after saying that the figures from transfer league were wrong. They seem to miss the point that even if they are wrong by 10-20% it still shows that Rafa has had at least 150-170 million to spend. You wait though, at the moment he's a transfer genius who is hard done by with money. When he goes at the end of another titleless season, they will all be saying what a bunch of crap he bought and how he spent a fortune. It's all about hindsight bias at the end of the day.

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Team Brian GB Celery chucker at the Bridge. Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: In exile: Brockport, NY Posts: 1,329	What a way to inspire your new players Mr Benitez- well done.

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6th September 2008, 13:37	#132 (permalink)
GaryLifo Nice Bloke Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Davo thinks I'm weird Posts: 3,525	Bottom line. Benitez has had enough money and time to have built a side that can mount a proper challenge. Even if it turned out they just missed out on the title they could then add a player or two to take them further. Instead they haven't been anywhere near it in four seasons thus far, and they won't be anywhere near it again this season despite having won a couple of games they shouldn't have. It's a good job United are so lucky and have all the referees in our back pocket else we might be as bad as them with their far superior squad.

6th September 2008, 15:00	#133 (permalink)
St Red Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 764	I cant defend Rafa poor signings, and there have been a few. Some can be down to bad luck, but most I'm afraid are down to poor judgement. A lot of our fans are blinkered though, coming out with shite like "we should have gone for Villa or Silva" or some other big name star. 2 problems there, we got lucky with Torres, he adapted straight away and had a great first season, something that doesn't always work out. Secondly, Liverpool may not be as appealing as a lot of fans think they are, some of the bigger names may not want to come to Liverpool. Rafa ssems to have instilled more determination into the squad now though, where in recent seasons they would probably have given up a little and accepted draws with Sunderland and Boro, they kept going to the end. But the bullshit excuses from manager and players alike need to stop, and just get on with doing the best they can. Getting results while playing badly is a good sign that prviously has been lacking.

12th September 2008, 17:24	#136 (permalink)
Richter Hairy big footed Swede Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Trying to burn down Marca's office Posts: 25,657	Guess who is talking about United's spending again.... Rafa rues United spending power by Tom Kell, 12 September 2008 Rafa Benitez has stoked the fires ahead of Manchester United’s trip to Anfield by suggesting that Sir Alex Ferguson continues to be at an advantage because of the superior spending power he has. Benitez has never been shy in grumbling about the lack of money at his disposal, especially since the club was taken over by American co-owners Tom Hicks and George Gillett. The Spaniard has never looked particularly strapped for cash when the transfer window is open but, in fairness, was forced to clear the decks of some of The Reds’ dead wood before reinforcing this summer. He still invested heavily – with Ferguson raising his eyebrows at the £20 million fee paid for Robbie Keane – but Benitez insists his ability to add to his squad is dwarfed by that of Ferguson, who parted with upwards of £30 million to land Dimitar Berbatov on transfer deadline day. “He’s a good player, another good player,” Benitez said at his pre-match press conference. “If you talk about the price we cannot match them because their strikers are £60 million – I know ours are 40. “But Ferguson was talking about the price of Keane and I was surprised because he pays 30 million for a lot of players and 20 for the majority of them. “But, in terms of quality our strikers are good. He spends 30 million on three or four players every year. “It’s okay, he can talk but maybe he has to remember how much money they spend on players every year. “The last game we play against them they had [Owen] Hargreaves, Nani and [Carlos] Tevez on the bench – we are talking about £70 million.” http://sport.setanta.com/en/Sport/Ne...pending-power/ That's £36 million so far. He only added £34 million this time

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Ander8on Pissface Bob for another 12 months Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Chorlton "Knowledge speaks, but Wisdom listens" Posts: 3,434	"Maybe he (Ferguson) has to think about how much money United are spending every year on a lot of players," added Benitez. http://www.teamtalk.com/football/sto...136048,00.html

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Hellboy First Team Sub Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Berbaville Posts: 5,233	Aha, Tevez + Hargreaves + Nani = £70 millions. Maths mates !

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Castolo Reserve Team Player Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 1,192	Torres - £27m Keane - £20m Mascherano - £17m Skrtel - £6m That's where he got the £70m from!

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Danish Voice Reserve Team Player Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 1,380	He's the most stupid manager in the Premiership. He's shit with numbers and now he can't even see the logic in Ferguson's Keane comments.

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Ander8on Pissface Bob for another 12 months Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Chorlton "Knowledge speaks, but Wisdom listens" Posts: 3,434

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GaryLifo Nice Bloke Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Davo thinks I'm weird Posts: 3,525	What an excuse making bell end. We've not had the money to spend that chelsea have spent and in 2006 things were looking a bit bleak in terms of ever being able to best Chelsea in the league. Did fergie moan and whinge about how much they spent? Did he fuck. He got on with his job of building another quality side which was capable of overtaking Chelsea and their millions. Arsenal have mounted many more title wins and challenges over the years than the moaning defeatist scouse cunts and have done so on half the budget that Benitez has had in his tenure. This money thing is just a convenient excuse and one which you wouldn't catch our manager making no matter how hard things became. Face facts, pound for pound Fergie has made better buys than Rafa for players of similar value. Vidic and Evra cost 11 million in total, the price of one lump of shite known as Dirk Kuyt. We've spent less money thus far on Tevez than they did on the largely ineffective crap known as Cisse. The combined fees of Pennant, Bellamy and Crouch were the same as we spent on Carrick. We won the league that season, all three of those players didn't take them any further than they were already. Fuck off Rafa. You are a decent manager, but not a top class one. KRAP

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Nem 7 Look, I'm a cunt, can type in colour so I must be important. Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Outside Right Posts: 5,051	How does Rafa spend more money than Wenger but still finishes behind him every season bar one?

12th September 2008, 20:46	#147 (permalink)
Tibs Reserve Team Player Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 2,904	He really is a moron. come on Fergie - make him cry tomorrow

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77 First Team Regular Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: 'Part time reds full time twats'.... what RAWKers say about the Caf's Bindippers Posts: 11,606	He's more delusional than the Dippers fans... you have you're 'value for money' signings and we'll carry on signing Champions

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Kelvin First Team Regular Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 10,345	idiot. Since Benitez took over at Liverpool in June 2004, he has spent £188m on 26 players. During the same period, Fergie has spent £177.5m on 14 players.