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Old 13th September 2008, 23:45   #201 (permalink)
 
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no, we lost one and drew two, so we have improved upon last year's record after three games.
Yep.
The really bad thing about this result is that it's against Liverpool. If it was Chelsea, or Arsenal, then I'm not that bothered.
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Old 14th September 2008, 07:47   #202 (permalink)
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no, we lost one and drew two, so we have improved upon last year's record after three games.
Improved by 1 point but can still be considered as a slow start.
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Old 14th September 2008, 07:48   #203 (permalink)
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Improved by 1 point but can still be considered as a slow start.
But we usually make up for our slow start.

These shitters like Pool usually get off to a decent start, then completely fuck up.
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Old 14th September 2008, 07:59   #204 (permalink)
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But we usually make up for our slow start.

These shitters like Pool usually get off to a decent start, then completely fuck up.
My point exactly.
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Old 14th September 2008, 09:45   #205 (permalink)
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by your logic, spurs are relegation contenders then.
Did GS get around to answering this? hes a wum...
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Old 14th September 2008, 09:46   #206 (permalink)
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Chelsea
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Spurs

If it ends up differently to the above, the most likely changes IMO could be Arsenal in 3rd and United in 4th, with a slight possibility also that Spurs might finish 5th instead of Villa.
You couldn't make it up, oh wait... he has.
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Old 14th September 2008, 09:56   #207 (permalink)
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Although to be fair, you do it well.
He really does not Brwned, it's made clear by the timing of banging on about predictions etc.

It is fairly well dressed up, but boring wummery none the less.
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Old 14th September 2008, 09:57   #208 (permalink)
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Pool usually get off to a decent start,
No we don't
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Old 14th September 2008, 10:01   #209 (permalink)
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He really does not Brwned, it's made clear by the timing of banging on about predictions etc.

It is fairly well dressed up, but boring wummery none the less.
But you can see that quite a few people get wound up about it every time.

It is Glaston though, that's as exciting as it gets with him.
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Old 14th September 2008, 10:03   #210 (permalink)
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Why do people get annoyed by predictions on football fora? Most of them are going to be wrong, and any prediction which includes the "Big 4" in the top 4 places isn't that contraversial
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Old 14th September 2008, 10:31   #211 (permalink)
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Jason McAteer just said on Sky Sports that he reckons Liverpool will win the title? Some of the Liverpool fans can often totally blow their results out of proportion. One win against their main rivals does not automatically make them the best team in the league. Chelsea still seem to be far superior in my opinion.
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Old 14th September 2008, 10:44   #212 (permalink)
 
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I dont ever make any rash predictions regarding my team. I'm just enjoying the start we have made, and am happy in the knowledge that we are capable of having a good run of results.

We did it at the start and the end of last season, with a dodgy run in the middle, and have strengthened this season.

But to put a fine line on yesterdays result, you only have to look at last years league table.

If we'd beaten you twice instead of losing twice, then we'd have finished above you.

Ferguson himself said you can never confidently predict the outcome of our games, so who knows how it will all pan out.
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Old 14th September 2008, 16:18   #213 (permalink)
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But to put a fine line on yesterdays result, you only have to look at last years league table.

If we'd beaten you twice instead of losing twice, then we'd have finished above you.
Not a fan of this logic. Reversing two results is a 12 point change between the two teams, which is not a fine line at all, its a pretty big difference. And that 12 point switch would only put you one point ahead of us, and the extra 6 still wouldn't have won you the title. You weren't close last year. This year may be different, we'll see.
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Old 14th September 2008, 16:40   #214 (permalink)
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Why do people get annoyed by predictions on football fora? Most of them are going to be wrong, and any prediction which includes the "Big 4" in the top 4 places isn't that contraversial
Yes the are, the predictions which include Liverpool and Arsenal winning PL.
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Not a fan of this logic. Reversing two results is a 12 point change between the two teams, which is not a fine line at all, its a pretty big difference. And that 12 point switch would only put you one point ahead of us, and the extra 6 still wouldn't have won you the title. You weren't close last year. This year may be different, we'll see.
I agree with you, we wouldn't have won the league, we'd have been 3rd behind Chelsea and Arsenal.

My point is that the games between us can never realistically be predicted, although you have had the upper hand in recent years.

But yesterdays result may have a huge impact on what happens in May, especially if we can repeat the result at OT.

We are both capable of long unbeaten runs, we only lost one league game from mid February to the end of the season, that was at OT.
You had a similar run.

Injuries and suspensions will also play a huge part.

You are clearly missing Ronaldo more than we are Torres, and Vidic will be a big miss.
Where is Rooney going to play now you've signed Berbatov? He clearly wasn't happy yesterday and his performance showed it.

Things look like they'll be a lot tighter than last season..........................but time will tell.
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Old 14th September 2008, 18:57   #216 (permalink)
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.........Things look like they'll be a lot tighter than last season..........................but time will tell.

3 or 4 games into the season tells you feck all.
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Yes the are, the predictions which include Liverpool and Arsenal winning PL.
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Old 14th September 2008, 19:14   #218 (permalink)
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I agree with you, we wouldn't have won the league, we'd have been 3rd behind Chelsea and Arsenal.

My point is that the games between us can never realistically be predicted, although you have had the upper hand in recent years.
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Where is Rooney going to play now you've signed Berbatov? He clearly wasn't happy yesterday and his performance showed it.

Things look like they'll be a lot tighter than last season..........................but time will tell.
Agree with you. I still enjoyed some of the skill he showed beating his man out wide on one or two occasions. He's good enough to play there, whether he wants to or should is different though I suppose.
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You are clearly missing Ronaldo more than we are Torres
When he went off injured against villa you had no attacking threat at all because Torres is your only attacking threat.

Just because you beat us doesn't mean you aren't missing him as much as we are Ronaldo. We made two mistakes and you scored two sloppy goals. That's down to luck and us playing badly, if Torres was playing you would have won much more comfortably.
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When he went off injured against villa you had no attacking threat at all because Torres is your only attacking threat.

Just because you beat us doesn't mean you aren't missing him as much as we are Ronaldo. We made two mistakes and you scored two sloppy goals. That's down to luck and us playing badly, if Torres was playing you would have won much more comfortably.
The 2nd goal was as much down to Mascheranos persistence as Giggs' sloppiness.

The whole team was shit against Villa, and I'm convinced Benitez went there looking to "not lose".

Torres would have made no difference as he would have been in Ferdinands pocket...................................wouldn't he.
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The 2nd goal was as much down to Mascheranos persistence as Giggs' sloppiness.

The whole team was shit against Villa, and I'm convinced Benitez went there looking to "not lose".

Torres would have made no difference as he would have been in Ferdinands pocket...................................wouldn't he.
We have coped reasonably well without Ronaldo, I can't see how Liverpool have coped any better without Torres since in the game he got injured Liverpool played very poorly, and in the other game it was obvious that the team lacked a clinical touch yet still won because the opposition played like a League One team.

I've never said that, and I never agreed with the idea that Anderson dominated Gerrard either. Rio was good against torres last season but one game means nothing.
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When he went off injured against villa you had no attacking threat at all because Torres is your only attacking threat.

Just because you beat us doesn't mean you aren't missing him as much as we are Ronaldo. We made two mistakes and you scored two sloppy goals. That's down to luck and us playing badly, if Torres was playing you would have won much more comfortably.
Great result yesterday then with no attacking threat....

Agree re the hammering you'd have got if Torres was fit mind
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We have coped reasonably well without Ronaldo, I can't see how Liverpool have coped any better without Torres since in the game he got injured Liverpool played very poorly, and in the other game it was obvious that the team lacked a clinical touch yet still won because the opposition played like a League One team.
Have you? You've won 1 game out of 5, not sure that's coping reasonably well. You've looked toothless in the 3 games I've seen you play this season an all
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Great result yesterday then with no attacking threat....

Agree re the hammering you'd have got if Torres was fit mind
It was a great result, a fantastic result actually because Liverpool didn't play to anywhere near their best, and to get a win against the Champions while playing averagely is a brilliant result.

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Have you? You've won 1 game out of 5, not sure that's coping reasonably well. You've looked toothless in the 3 games I've seen you play this season an all
That's not just down to us missing Ronaldo though, we were missing a fair few players right at the start of the season - Anderson, Carrick, Rooney, Hargreaves, Nani, Giggs and possibly one or two others.

The draw against Newcastle was a poor performance, and a poor result. The win against Pompey was a poor performance but a good result.

Liverpool's performances this season have been just as poor, yet you've had pretty much a fully fit team.

We've only played 3 Premier League matches. If you want to count matches outside of that then look no further than how Liverpool played against Standard Liege, awful.
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It was a great result, a fantastic result actually because Liverpool didn't play to anywhere near their best, and to get a win against the Champions while playing averagely is a brilliant result.

Yep, I'd agree with all that. I don't agree that Torres is our only attacking threat however

That's not just down to us missing Ronaldo though, we were missing a fair few players right at the start of the season - Anderson, Carrick, Rooney, Hargreaves, Nani, Giggs and possibly one or two others.

Liverpool's performances this season have been just as poor, yet you've had pretty much a fully fit team.
Missing the likes of Anderson and Nani is very different from missing Ronaldo. All of those mentioned have played since, you're still struggling to score goals and when you take Ronaldo out of your side, it doesn't look like there's many goals in it. Berbatov might change that, we'll see

Yeah we've been poor so far despite decent results, agree. But we too have missed key players, including Torres, Gerrard, Babel and Masch
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Yep, I'd agree with all that. I don't agree that Torres is our only attacking threat however

Missing the likes of Anderson and Nani is very different from missing Ronaldo. All of those mentioned have played since, you're still struggling to score goals and when you take Ronaldo out of your side, it doesn't look like there's many goals in it. Berbatov might change that, we'll see

Yeah we've been poor so far despite decent results, agree. But we too have missed key players, including Torres, Gerrard, Babel and Masch
I actually think that missing Carrick has had a very big impact on our team. Missing Ronaldo obviously means we lack that cutting edge but missing Carrick has been the main reason for our team's lack of fluidity. It may be a stretch but I'd say if Carrick had been fully fit right from the start we might have had a few more points on the board, even without Ronaldo. Missing Nani has had some impact too imo, we've lacked any real directness and he gives us that.

I know excuses, excuses... but that's just how I see it.

Fact is Liverpool have done brilliantly to be joint to of the league when you look at how poorly you've been playing. Whereas we've got exactly what we've deserved based on our performances.
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