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Old 30th May 2008, 14:25   #121 (permalink)
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As long as Chelsea play Terry and A. Cole twice, Liverpool play a whole back four of Carragher, and Arsenal play a whole back four of Hoyte and a frontline of Walcott everyone is fine.
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Old 30th May 2008, 14:32   #122 (permalink)
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They need to take a long hard look at those proposals. They are unworkable. How about changing it to a minimum of 4 Home Grown players in every team. That would be a decent step forwards. It would stop Arsenal from playing a whole foreign 11 for starters.
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Old 30th May 2008, 15:16   #123 (permalink)
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I'm surprised that no-one else thinks that maybe for the only time in his erstwhile useless life, Blatter has got something right and that the EU should just piss off.
i can't speak for everyone else, of course, but personally i'm strongly against any artificial constraints imposed on the game beyond purely sporting considerations.

i'm not sure how the rule, if brought into play, is supposed to work. suppose you start off conforming to it, 6 local-qualified lads, and 5 foreigners. you have to choose a bench, right? - how does one go about doing that? bear in mind that during the course of a game, substitutions due to injuries, tactical considerations or sendings-off are all possible. do you still have to preserve that 6+5 ratio? - and how can you possibly legislate for unforeseen circumstances? - will there be exceptions in these circumstances, and, if so, then what's the point?

this is to say nothing about the special situation that is the UK and Ireland. i mean, the likes of Giggs, if he's still around, will be classed as a foreigner, despite his being more Mancunian than some of us.

once purely sporting considerations go out the window, what is left is a bureaucratic mess. methinks a lot of people haven't thought this through. typical politicians. the lawyers will have a field day.
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Old 30th May 2008, 15:19   #124 (permalink)
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Anw, I don't think that the EU will change its constitution to accommodate UEFA and FIFA.
free movement on labor is one of the absolute fundamentals in the European Union - there is not a chance in hell they will change opinion on this.
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Old 30th May 2008, 15:23   #125 (permalink)
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English clubs do well = time to punish England.

This man will fucking ruin football unless someones takes the appropriate action, by this I mean an assassination attempt. I am willing to pay someone to assassinate Blatter in the most painful way possible. How is it possible that his idiocy goes unseen by those around him?

Not sure about your latter point, but yes, he will ruin English football at any rate. The irony is that the expression 'a level playing field' emerged from football, whereas he clearly wishes to tilt it somewhat.
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Old 30th May 2008, 15:39   #126 (permalink)
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Not sure about your latter point, but yes, he will ruin English football at any rate. The irony is that the expression 'a level playing field' emerged from football, whereas he clearly wishes to tilt it somewhat.
this is another reason i'm against it on general principle. call me paranoid, but i've always believed that the rest of Europe has some kind of grudge against English club football particularly, and will do whatever it takes to stop its domination.

i mean, Beckenbauer has the temerity to say that the reason England didn't qualify for the Euros is because of the number of foreigners in the club game. surely he's old enough to remember English clubs dominating Europe in the late 60s, through the seventies and early eighties, when the majority of domestic teams fielded largely an English contingent. was England a powerhouse then?

no, there's something fishy, and Blatter, the Anglophobic cunt, is at the heart of it.
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Soforgive me but is this stupid 4 then 5 then 6! rule coming in? or are the EU gonna stop them due to freedom of employment? or do we not know yet?

Blatter was saying on news that its going ahead due to a majority vote in the rules favour.

Making it mandatory to have 6 english players in the starting eleven of teams i gonna be so tough. the quality of this great league will plummet rapidly.
Something has to be done to stop this shit.
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To be honest if the rule was there has to be at least 3 homegrown players in the team, that would be a good idea as its not good seeing teams like arsenal with like no english players in the team.
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To be honest if the rule was there has to be at least 3 homegrown players in the team, that would be a good idea as its not good seeing teams like arsenal with like no english players in the team.
No it won't - you either trust the market or you interfere. Interference equals protectionism, socialism, bureaucracy, meddling, the law of unintended consequences - a dog's breakfast at best and a nightmare at worst.

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Old 30th May 2008, 20:13   #130 (permalink)
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i mean, Beckenbauer has the temerity to say that the reason England didn't qualify for the Euros is because of the number of foreigners in the club game. surely he's old enough to remember English clubs dominating Europe in the late 60s, through the seventies and early eighties, when the majority of domestic teams fielded largely an English contingent. was England a powerhouse then?
The top English clubs of the time were full of Scots and Irish, both North and South as well as a few Welshmen.
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Old 30th May 2008, 20:43   #131 (permalink)
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The top English clubs of the time were full of Scots and Irish, both North and South as well as a few Welshmen.
i'm not talking about the top teams. i'm talking about the league as a whole, specifically first and second divisions.
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Soforgive me but is this stupid 4 then 5 then 6! rule coming in? or are the EU gonna stop them due to freedom of employment? or do we not know yet?

Blatter was saying on news that its going ahead due to a majority vote in the rules favour.

Making it mandatory to have 6 english players in the starting eleven of teams i gonna be so tough. the quality of this great league will plummet rapidly.
Something has to be done to stop this shit.
FIFA was always going to ratify the rule. doesn't mean it'll fly in Europe.

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To be honest if the rule was there has to be at least 3 homegrown players in the team, that would be a good idea as its not good seeing teams like arsenal with like no english players in the team.
this is not the 'homegrown' rule, since that could in principle apply to a lad from anywhere in the world.

what Blatter is proposing is strictly a nationalistic rule, backed by a nation-centric organisation.

it'll be interesting to see how they apply this to, say, a club like Cardiff City.
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This thread is about a subject which is so important for the future of the game; it needs a bump.
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Old 1st June 2008, 14:48   #134 (permalink)
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Soforgive me but is this stupid 4 then 5 then 6! rule coming in? or are the EU gonna stop them due to freedom of employment? or do we not know yet?
It will not be implemented, it's illegal.
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Old 1st June 2008, 19:20   #135 (permalink)
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This is stupid. It won't happen. It is illegal. Blatter is a knob.
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Old 7th June 2008, 07:05   #136 (permalink)
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Lord Triesman, the FA chairman, wants to use the FA Cup as a trial for Sepp Blatter's proposals to limit the number of foreign players each club can field.

While Triesman believes Blatter's proposals will be rejected by the EU on anti-discrimination grounds, he remains concerned by the lack of young English players breaking through at club level. In an attempt to allay those concerns, Triesman is ready to draw up plans to increase the number of British players involved in the FA Cup.

"The FA Cup is directly within our domain and if we want to implement change we need to do that in conjunction with the Premier League and Football League," he said.

"Whether there are legal restraints or not there can be a means of implementing an optimum number of English players participating in the FA Cup.

"Sir Alex Ferguson has come out in support of this, stating his view that there should be more English players in major club competitions, and conceivably, there could be.

"Of course, it's very dangerous to try to enforce a minimum number of English players - but it can be achieved in ways other than enforcement."
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