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anver · 23rd November 2011, 09:38

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Originally Posted by Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber

I prefer them in Europe. That will help make it harder for them to win the league.

We, too, may suffer the same fate, chief.

Talking Vulture · 23rd November 2011, 09:40

Whatever happens in 2 weeks, they will still be in europe. Whether that's the Champions League or the Europa League, who knows? Same as us really.

T2000 · 23rd November 2011, 11:01

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Originally Posted by Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber

I prefer them in Europe. That will help make it harder for them to win the league.

If they fail to make the champions league then they will be in the europa league which can still be tricky and it plays chaos with your fixtures.

Its what us reds want tbh.

That'sHernandez · 23rd November 2011, 11:10

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Originally Posted by Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber

I prefer them in Europe. That will help make it harder for them to win the league.

That's a myth, I think. Pretty much all of their first team have come from clubs that have played in the Champions League regularly, they're used to it.

Talking Vulture · 23rd November 2011, 11:22

But not as a team. It's completely different.

I'm always right · 23rd November 2011, 11:24

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Originally Posted by Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber

I prefer them in Europe. That will help make it harder for them to win the league.

Europa League fucks you up more than CL. Those nasty Thursday nights.

And why does no-one think about the seeding. If City don't qualify it'll hold back their seeding for another year, giving them more chance of getting another tricky group next season.

The whole "I want City to qualify" shit baffles me, posters aren't thinking it through.

Feeky_Magee · 23rd November 2011, 11:45

In any case I reckon the dent in confidence from discovering that everything they touch doesn't necessarily turn to gold would offset any benefit from the first team not playing during the week a maximum of 6 times over 4 months. As well of course as having to travel for the Europa League games.

Bill.s.preston · 23rd November 2011, 13:34

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Originally Posted by Sharky7

Europa League fucks you up more than CL. Those nasty Thursday nights.

And why does no-one think about the seeding. If City don't qualify it'll hold back their seeding for another year, giving them more chance of getting another tricky group next season.

The whole "I want City to qualify" shit baffles me, posters aren't thinking it through.

I'd love a bit of Thursday night, channel 5 for City.
One less recovery day for the weekend

I just hope we don't end up there with them!

Lance Uppercut · 23rd November 2011, 13:39

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Originally Posted by bill.s.preston

I'd love a bit of Thursday night, channel 5 for City.
One less recovery day for the weekend

I just hope we don't end up there with them!

Basel need a win. A draw will suffice for us. I think that will suit our style of play.

Jippy · 23rd November 2011, 13:45

Just wonder if Bayern will take the chance to knock them out or just send out a second string team given they have already won the group. Napoli winning in Villareal is not a done deal.

Lance Uppercut · 23rd November 2011, 13:47

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Originally Posted by Jippy

Just wonder if Bayern will take the chance to knock them out or just send out a second string team given they have already won the group. Napoli winning in Villareal is not a done deal.

Bayern have been pretty vocal in their contempt for Shitty, so hopefully they will go all out to destroy them.

Red Dreams · 23rd November 2011, 14:08

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Originally Posted by Lance Uppercut

Bayern have been pretty vocal in their contempt for Shitty, so hopefully they will go all out to destroy them.

have they?

think Rumenigge had a go at Blatter about summat...not sure if it was about all these sugar daddy clubs...

misterredmist · 23rd November 2011, 14:15

I have always told my City pals that they need to be through before they meet Bayern at home, as whatever personnel Bayern put out at the Eti-Shed , I expect that Bayern will get a point at least.

I think City going out will be a confidence knocker, so all good news for me

TN - C5

Lance Uppercut · 23rd November 2011, 14:21

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Originally Posted by Red Dreams

have they?

think Rumenigge had a go at Blatter about summat...not sure if it was about all these sugar daddy clubs...

It was.

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Bayern Munich's Karl-Heinz Rummenigge has hit out at clubs who he believes are not shaping up to adhere to Uefa’s forthcoming Financial Fair Play rules, stating that those like Champions League rivals Manchester City are climbing the ladder thanks to wealth alone.

The German league has been seen as one of the most financially responsible in recent seasons, and the Bavarians' chairman is happy that Uefa president Michel Platini is implementing rules to try and make the playing field more level, insisting that the game is currently unfair.

Rummenigge, whose team face Manchester City on Tuesday, told DRadio: “In the words Financial Fair Play really lies the truth. It seems obvious at the moment that there is financial unfair play. And it is quite clear: we have a world in which the Arabs, Russians and Italians play a dramatic role.

“Because of their wealth they can make transfers and accordingly can improve the quality of their teams, and I think that cannot be the way of the future.”

He also commented on the false economy of splashing millions on Europe’s elite in order to make a profit in the future.

“When a Manchester City, Chelsea or Inter or Milan can make large transfers, the princely sums they pay suggest that at the end of the day they are on par with the second division in Germany,” he said.

“Everything is so expensive: the transfer fees, salaries, and all. And that led to Uefa finding that over 60% of all professional clubs in Europe are taking financial losses”

He also suggested that he had doubts over how these clubs would meet the rules put in place by Uefa, stating: “The sheikhs who own these clubs have promised Michel Platini that they will ensure that the rules are adhered to. We are now - it has to be said perhaps even more - in a test phase. In this test phase, the clubs must change.

“Especially the clubs that have recorded very high losses every year. And there are candidates that give the impression that they are ready.

“Inter, for example. Milan are also holding back very much in terms of spending money. Accordingly, I can imagine, they are well on their way to meeting these criteria. For other clubs I don't have as much faith.”

Bayern Munich's Karl-Heinz Rummenigge blasts free-spending clubs ahead of Manchester City clash - Goal.com

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Bayern Munich CEO Karl-Heinz Rummenigge has claimed that Manchester City will face many difficulties when the Financial Fair Play takes effect from next season. He insisted that the cash rich club has been spending heavily in the transfer market and the high losses could even deprive them of Champions League football.

Bayern Munich have openly showed their interest in signing Manchester City defender Jerome Boateng this summer but the English club’s high valuation for the player has been an obstacle in the transfer. The former Hamburg player has also expressed his desire to leave England but the club’s 20 million Euro price tag is too much.

Rummenigge claimed that City could face the wrath of UEFA next season as they have 48 contracted players where the number has to be 25. He also insisted that the Abu Dhabi United Group owned club has heavy losses of around 143 million Euros which could keep them out of next year’s Champions League, given they qualify.

“I think they are going to have 48 players under contract, but according to Financial Fair Play they can have only 25. And according to their last balance sheet, if I'm correct, they are minus €143m. Maybe they still have a trick up their sleeves but I'm not sure that they will be permitted to play in the Champions League,” he was quoted as saying in an interview.

The Chairman also admitted that Bayern will not pay astronomical prices for a player as City have done in the past. He added that the Bavarian giants have quoted the best possible price and also criticised Manchester City officials for dragging the transfer.

“We do not play Manchester City rates. The club apparently always adds a bonus on top of the price because they have an owner with no financial worries. But we certainly will not pay astronomical prices,” the chief concluded.

Karl-Heinz Rummenigge: Manchester City will face difficulties when Financial Fair Play takes effect | bettor.com

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Bayern Munich chairman Karl-Heinz Rummenigge has warned Manchester City not to expect any favours when the two sides meet in their final Champions League group fixture on December 7.

Bayern's 3-1 win over Villarreal ensured their passage to the last 16 as Group A winners while Napoli's 2-1 win over City took them into second place behind the Bundesliga side.

Napoli travel to Villarreal knowing a win would guarantee them a place alongside Bayern while City know that only a win over the Bavarians would give them a chance of reaching the knockout stages of the competition.
However, Rummenigge has promised that his side will be as committed as ever in Manchester.

"We are still going to try and win in Manchester," he said. "First of all, there are points for the five-year ranking at stake, and then there are 800,000 euros to the winner. We are not going to give anything away."

Rummenigge vows no let up against City - Yahoo! Eurosport

Judge Red · 23rd November 2011, 14:21

Europa League doesn't seem to be bothering Spurs. Maybe it's just assumed it causes problems for clubs because only shit ones like Liverpool and City have had a go at juggling it with top four aspirations in the past.

Red Dreams · 23rd November 2011, 14:27

thanks for the post Lance.

you know I am liking what I am hearing from Rummenige.

Future FIFA president? He will make a good one. Has integrity.

Bill.s.preston · 23rd November 2011, 14:29

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Originally Posted by Judge Red

Europa League doesn't seem to be bothering Spurs. Maybe it's just assumed it causes problems for clubs because only shit ones like Liverpool and City have had a go at juggling it with top four aspirations in the past.

They've been playing their youth/reserve side and Pavlyuchenko.

GlastonSpur · 23rd November 2011, 14:33

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Originally Posted by Judge Red

Europa League doesn't seem to be bothering Spurs. ...

That's because we're largely fielding a 2nd/3rd string team.

Our last Europa match, for example, featured none of the players who started against Villa on Monday night.

Jippy · 23rd November 2011, 16:25

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Originally Posted by Lance Uppercut

It was.

Bayern Munich's Karl-Heinz Rummenigge blasts free-spending clubs ahead of Manchester City clash - Goal.com

Karl-Heinz Rummenigge: Manchester City will face difficulties when Financial Fair Play takes effect | bettor.com

Finally:

Rummenigge vows no let up against City - Yahoo! Eurosport

Cheers and yep pretty firm words, so sounds like we should expect a full strength team out then. Ruminegge talks a lot of sense- the second division German club made me chuckle.

Wowi · 23rd November 2011, 16:58

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Originally Posted by Jippy

Just wonder if Bayern will take the chance to knock them out or just send out a second string team given they have already won the group. Napoli winning in Villareal is not a done deal.

Bayern desperately wants to reach the final this year, especially as it's being played in their own ground. Knocking City out will eliminate a potentially dangerous opponent later in the tournament. I don't know much about Napoli to be honest, but I'd expect their squad to be much smaller than City's, which means that they'll most likely get worse as the season goes on. I don't think the same will happen to City with their massive squad.

I'm not really sure if it's better for us if City goes out or stays in. On one hand the extra CL games will be a nice distraction, and let's face it - they'll play a second string team if they go into Europa League, and still probably go very far. Could easily see them play a rather weakened team in one game and then put on some of their star players in the return leg, if they actually want to progress. Going out of the CL could be a big blow to their confidence though, which could very well outweigh the "positives" of playing fewer games.

I want them to go out though, as I think the confidence blow for going out in the group stage will mean more than not playing the extra games. I think playing CL keep the players maximum motivated. Also worth noting that we've won the league every time we've reached a final in Fergie's time.

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Originally Posted by Sharky7

Europa League fucks you up more than CL. Those nasty Thursday nights.

And why does no-one think about the seeding. If City don't qualify it'll hold back their seeding for another year, giving them more chance of getting another tricky group next season.

The whole "I want City to qualify" shit baffles me, posters aren't thinking it through.

They can gain almost as many points in the EL as they can in the CL. Last season Porto got 4th most points for winning the EL despite never being in the CL. Braga got 9th most for reaching the EL final after being knocked out in CL group stage.

If City finish 2nd they could draw Madrid or Barca and go out of the CL right away, gaining very little extra points. If they go into the EL they could go quite far and gain a lot of points with relative ease.

Crustanoid · 23rd November 2011, 17:05

Clearly, many of the teams from outside of the PL will be concerned about the effect City is having on football as a whole and will be determined to put them out for the good of football. For this reason I'm hoping both Napoli and Bayern go all out to win their games

Sunny Jim · 23rd November 2011, 17:23

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Originally Posted by Judge Red

Europa League doesn't seem to be bothering Spurs. Maybe it's just assumed it causes problems for clubs because only shit ones like Liverpool and City have had a go at juggling it with top four aspirations in the past.

Do they not play second string players ere though?

Wowi · 23rd November 2011, 17:32

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Originally Posted by Sunny Jim

Do they not play second string players ere though?

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Originally Posted by GlastonSpur

That's because we're largely fielding a 2nd/3rd string team.

Our last Europa match, for example, featured none of the players who started against Villa on Monday night.

..

Leroy The Red · 23rd November 2011, 17:38

One of the great myths of football, that being in the Champions League has some kind of monstrous negative effect on your league form.
The last 4 winners of the Champions League have won their domestic titles in the same season.

Manchester City are not Stoke or Fulham, they have big game players, they can cope, playing on a Wednesday night won't automatically turn them into a village side on the weekend.
They've played 4 previous group games in the CL this season and how many league defeats have they had? ZERO. They beat Villarreal on a weeknight and beat us 6-1 on the weekend, playing in midweek obviously had a devastating effect on them on that occasion

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Add that to the fact they have a massive (pun intended) squad and so would easily cope with League and CL demands. I want these fuckers knocked out.

Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber · 23rd November 2011, 18:36

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Originally Posted by That'sHernandez

That's a myth, I think. Pretty much all of their first team have come from clubs that have played in the Champions League regularly, they're used to it.

Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber · 23rd November 2011, 18:38

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Originally Posted by T2000

If they fail to make the champions league then they will be in the europa league which can still be tricky and it plays chaos with your fixtures.

Its what us reds want tbh.

Exactly

Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber · 23rd November 2011, 18:40

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Originally Posted by Leroy The Red

One of the great myths of football, that being in the Champions League has some kind of monstrous negative effect on your league form.
The last 4 winners of the Champions League have won their domestic titles in the same season......

Name a single team that went to champions league with zero experience in it and went on being great till the end of the season domestically?

marcus agrippa · 23rd November 2011, 19:05

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Originally Posted by Red Dreams

Future FIFA president? He will make a good one. Has integrity.

That pretty much disqualifies him then, I should think.

Leroy The Red · 23rd November 2011, 19:33

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Originally Posted by Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber

Name a single team that went to champions league with zero experience in it and went on being great till the end of the season domestically?

They've spent 900 million on players who have played Champions League football on a regular basis.
Kompany, De Jong, Toure, Silva, Aguero, Balotelli, Dzeko are no strangers to the demands of Champions League or European Football.

This isn't a Stoke or Birmingham we're talking about here, this is the most expensive team assembled in the history of sport. We're not talking about some pub players who struck lucky and hit gold, these players know what is expected.

Oh and name me a team who went into the Champs Lge for the first time, got through to the knockout stages and performed poorly domestically.

Lance Uppercut · 23rd November 2011, 19:34

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Originally Posted by Leroy The Red

They've spent 900 million on players who have played Champions League football on a regular basis.
Kompany, De Jong, Toure, Silva, Aguero, Balotelli, Dzeko are no strangers to the demands of Champions League or European Football.

This isn't a Stoke or Birmingham we're talking about here, this is the most expensive team assembled in the history of sport. We're not talking about some pub players who struck lucky and hit gold, these players know what is expected.

Oh and name me a team who went into the Champs Lge for the first time, got through to the knockout stages and performed poorly domestically.

Spuds?

Wowi · 23rd November 2011, 19:47

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Originally Posted by Lance Uppercut

Spuds?

They finished 5th. That's not really "poor" when you look at the teams that finished above them.

Lance Uppercut · 23rd November 2011, 19:50

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Originally Posted by Wowi

They finished 5th. That's not really "poor" when you look at the teams that finished above them.

It was actually a fantastic achievement for those shitbags. Good call.

Red Dreams · 23rd November 2011, 19:51

you do know Spurs will fall apart after ol arry is in the nick....

Lance Uppercut · 23rd November 2011, 19:54

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Originally Posted by Red Dreams

you do know Spurs will fall apart after ol arry is in the nick....

That would break my heart.

In all honesty, I would be a little disappointed. I want to see him make a monumental fuck up of the England job. See how his pals in the media react.

Leroy The Red · 23rd November 2011, 19:56

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Originally Posted by Lance Uppercut

Spuds?

Their domestic form actually got worse after they'd been eliminated.

Red Dreams · 23rd November 2011, 19:56

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Originally Posted by Lance Uppercut

That would break my heart.

In all honesty, I would be a little disappointed. I want to see him make a monumental fuck up of the England job. See how his pals in the media react.

he will never get the England job mate.

even the FA are not that stupid.

Lance Uppercut · 23rd November 2011, 19:58

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Originally Posted by Red Dreams

he will never get the England job mate.

even the FA are not that stupid.

Well, if they want an Englishman (and I believe they have been very careful to avoid stating that as fact, thus far), I don't see who else it could be.

Red Dreams · 23rd November 2011, 20:10

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Originally Posted by Lance Uppercut

Well, if they want an Englishman (and I believe they have been very careful to avoid stating that as fact, thus far), I don't see who else it could be.

apparently it is just a matter of time before he is in serious trouble...or is that all speculation?

If his 'problems' are behind him, yes he would be a good choice.

Lance Uppercut · 23rd November 2011, 20:21

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Originally Posted by Red Dreams

apparently it is just a matter of time before he is in serious trouble...or is that all speculation?

If his 'problems' are behind him, yes he would be a good choice.

He is definitely to be tried for tax evasion, but I don't know enough about the case to ascertain what his chances are.

w'or bobby · 24th November 2011, 03:39

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Originally Posted by Jippy

Just wonder if Bayern will take the chance to knock them out or just send out a second string team given they have already won the group. Napoli winning in Villareal is not a done deal.

It's also a bloody good idea to put 1 strong team out of the competition- even if you can't meet 'em again 'til later.
Bayern have seen that one pinch 'em in the arse before now.

We played 'em 2 times in the '98 - '99 season before the wee Norwegian lad stuck a toe out.
I'll bet you they still wish we hadn't qualified.

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23rd November 2011, 09:40	#2162 (permalink)
Talking Vulture He's shit, move on. Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: In with the Leeds scum Posts: 3,753	Whatever happens in 2 weeks, they will still be in europe. Whether that's the Champions League or the Europa League, who knows? Same as us really.

23rd November 2011, 11:22	#2165 (permalink)
Talking Vulture He's shit, move on. Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: In with the Leeds scum Posts: 3,753	But not as a team. It's completely different.

23rd November 2011, 11:45	#2167 (permalink)
Feeky_Magee First Team Sub Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: “They are the original colours of Manchester United and the fans wear them because they love this club. They have their reasons for doing it and we don’t think that they’re crazy. They’d like things to change.” Posts: 6,744	In any case I reckon the dent in confidence from discovering that everything they touch doesn't necessarily turn to gold would offset any benefit from the first team not playing during the week a maximum of 6 times over 4 months. As well of course as having to travel for the Europa League games.

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Jippy Sleeps with tramps. If you've got the cardboard he'll bring the heat Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: In Neville's Laa Laa Land Posts: 7,634	Just wonder if Bayern will take the chance to knock them out or just send out a second string team given they have already won the group. Napoli winning in Villareal is not a done deal.

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misterredmist Reserve Team Player Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Baguley Posts: 1,934	I have always told my City pals that they need to be through before they meet Bayern at home, as whatever personnel Bayern put out at the Eti-Shed , I expect that Bayern will get a point at least. I think City going out will be a confidence knocker, so all good news for me TN - C5

23rd November 2011, 14:21	#2175 (permalink)
Judge Red Don't Call Me Douglas Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 2,057	Europa League doesn't seem to be bothering Spurs. Maybe it's just assumed it causes problems for clubs because only shit ones like Liverpool and City have had a go at juggling it with top four aspirations in the past.

23rd November 2011, 14:27	#2176 (permalink)
Red Dreams First Team Regular Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: 20 I 13 Posts: 28,223	thanks for the post Lance. you know I am liking what I am hearing from Rummenige. Future FIFA president? He will make a good one. Has integrity.

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Crustanoid First Team Regular Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 15,369	Clearly, many of the teams from outside of the PL will be concerned about the effect City is having on football as a whole and will be determined to put them out for the good of football. For this reason I'm hoping both Napoli and Bayern go all out to win their games

23rd November 2011, 17:38	#2184 (permalink)
Leroy The Red First Team Sub Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: London Posts: 9,024	One of the great myths of football, that being in the Champions League has some kind of monstrous negative effect on your league form. The last 4 winners of the Champions League have won their domestic titles in the same season. Manchester City are not Stoke or Fulham, they have big game players, they can cope, playing on a Wednesday night won't automatically turn them into a village side on the weekend. They've played 4 previous group games in the CL this season and how many league defeats have they had? ZERO. They beat Villarreal on a weeknight and beat us 6-1 on the weekend, playing in midweek obviously had a devastating effect on them on that occasion . Add that to the fact they have a massive (pun intended) squad and so would easily cope with League and CL demands. I want these fuckers knocked out.

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Red Dreams First Team Regular Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: 20 I 13 Posts: 28,223	you do know Spurs will fall apart after ol arry is in the nick....