Brits abroad

jdmufc · 8th July 2008, 14:31

why do British players not really "cut the mustard" when they move abroad??
just recently i was trying to think of a British player who it could be said was "successful" when they moved to a team on the continent.
gazza i think was a hit....not that he won anything but in the fact that even the miserable italiens would have to admit that he could really play football.

any other players come to mind who could be deemed a success??

CnutOfAllCnuts · 8th July 2008, 14:32

Beckham

CnutOfAllCnuts · 8th July 2008, 14:33

Waddle

Spammy · 8th July 2008, 14:34

Lee Sharpe was a monster hit at Samp.

jdmufc · 8th July 2008, 14:34

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Originally Posted by CnutOfAllCnuts

Waddle

good shout........even though he ran like a window licker and lets not forget his hair.......great player

CnutOfAllCnuts · 8th July 2008, 14:35

Hoddle

rocks13 · 8th July 2008, 14:35

Lineker

ralphie88 · 8th July 2008, 14:36

David Platt

Hughes at Bayern (but not Barca)

Linekar and Rush did ok didn't they?

Can anyone remember is Des Walker did alright?

Brwned · 8th July 2008, 14:37

Not many bother to leave the country because the money's better here and so there's not much reason to leave.

Ixion · 8th July 2008, 14:38

Ince did alright at Inter didn't he? The cnut.

jdmufc · 8th July 2008, 14:38

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Originally Posted by ralphie88

David Platt

Hughes at Bayern (but not Barca)

Linekar and Rush did ok didn't they?

Can anyone remember is Des Walker did alright?

wasn´t platt at one time the holder of the highest aggregate transfer fee??
never quite understood how that happened

rocks13 · 8th July 2008, 14:38

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Originally Posted by ralphie88

David Platt

Hughes at Bayern (but not Barca)

Linekar and Rush did ok didn't they?

Can anyone remember is Des Walker did alright?

From what I remember Des Walker had a bad time at Sampdoria. He was played out of position as a full back and didn't really settle in Italy.

I don't really think Rush was a great success either.

jgraham2704 · 8th July 2008, 14:39

Vinny Samways

kristinson · 8th July 2008, 14:40

hate to admit it but keegan at hamburg done alright

jdmufc · 8th July 2008, 14:42

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Originally Posted by kristinson

hate to admit it but keegan at hamburg done alright

without doubt........think he won european player of the year while at hamburg

rocks13 · 8th July 2008, 14:43

Owen Hargreaves was pretty good at Bayern.

Not sure if he really counts as British though (even though he plays for England!!!)

CnutOfAllCnuts · 8th July 2008, 14:46

Joe Jordan

Mark Hately

Liam Brady (although Irish)

Ray Wilkins

jdmufc · 8th July 2008, 14:47

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Originally Posted by rocks13

Owen Hargreaves was pretty good at Bayern.

Not sure if he really counts as British though (even though he plays for England!!!)

nah.......i´m talking about players from england moving abroad.
they never seem to last,dont know if Brits just aren´t good at living abroad.
having said this i´ve lived in sweden for the last 3 years

kristinson · 8th July 2008, 14:50

but the trend appearing here is that no one has done it successfully in this generation.

Brwned · 8th July 2008, 14:51

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Originally Posted by kristinson

but the trend appearing here is that no one has done it successfully in this generation.

Beckham?

kristinson · 8th July 2008, 14:53

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Originally Posted by Brwned

Beckham?

I havent made my mind up on that one, I love the guy but I think if he wasnt the superstar off the pitch that he is then I dont think we would be thinking of him as a "success", I think he done all right, I dont think he ever hit the heights he did at OT.

FlawlessThaw · 8th July 2008, 14:55

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Originally Posted by kristinson

I havent made my mind up on that one, I love the guy but I think if he wasnt the superstar off the pitch that he is then I dont think we would be thinking of him as a "success", I think he done all right, I dont think he ever hit the heights he did at OT.

But he was never going to given the instability at Madrid and the fact that he was past his peak by the time he got there.

Brwned · 8th July 2008, 14:57

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Originally Posted by kristinson

I havent made my mind up on that one, I love the guy but I think if he wasnt the superstar off the pitch that he is then I dont think we would be thinking of him as a "success", I think he done all right, I dont think he ever hit the heights he did at OT.

Well of course he didn't. Our team was based around getting the ball in the box constantly, that was never what Real Madrid were about. He still did very well at Real though.

CnutOfAllCnuts · 8th July 2008, 14:59

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Originally Posted by kristinson

I havent made my mind up on that one, I love the guy but I think if he wasnt the superstar off the pitch that he is then I dont think we would be thinking of him as a "success", I think he done all right, I dont think he ever hit the heights he did at OT.

He was one of Real's best players in his last two seasons there.

FranklyVulgar · 8th July 2008, 15:01

Paul Lambert won the europeam cup with Dortmund.

John Collins was a hit at Monaco.

jdmufc · 8th July 2008, 15:02

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Originally Posted by CnutOfAllCnuts

He was one of Real's best players in his last two seasons there.

how did the Madrid fans feel about him.......take gazza for example.....he was adored by the lazio fans.

CnutOfAllCnuts · 8th July 2008, 15:04

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Originally Posted by jdmufc

how did the Madrid fans feel about him.......take gazza for example.....he was adored by the lazio fans.

More for his personality than what he did on the pitch. Only played about 50 games in his three years at the club.

Anduin · 8th July 2008, 15:05

Michael Owen was quality for Real, I still don't understand why they only played him from the bench.

Brwned · 8th July 2008, 15:08

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Originally Posted by jdmufc

how did the Madrid fans feel about him.......take gazza for example.....he was adored by the lazio fans.

They felt he was a vital part of their team at the end of his last season and without him they probably wouldn't have went on to win another title the year after, seeing as Barcelona started to fall apart because of losing that title.

They were more than grateful of what he gave to the club.

jdmufc · 8th July 2008, 15:08

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Originally Posted by Anduin

Michael Owen was quality for Real, I still don't understand why they only played him from the bench.

with raul and ronaldo it was always gonna be tough to start a game.
he must of known that when he signed for them

utdalltheway · 8th July 2008, 15:23

woodgate.

topper · 8th July 2008, 15:36

Best ever Brit at a foreign club was John Charles at Juventus - idolised by the fans over 40 years after he left them. Was never sent off or cautioned - the Gentle Giant

http://www.ifhof.com/hof/charles.asp

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