Carragher says what others are thinking

Professor Percival Egg · 3rd September 2008, 14:41

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/foo...-Football.html

Liverpool's Jamie Carragher 'would rather miss for England'

Jamie Carragher says defeat while playing for England, even in the World Cup, hurt less than a loss with Liverpool.

By Telegraph staff and agencies
Last Updated: 12:35PM BST 03 Sep 2008

Carragher turned his back on international football last year after being constantly overlooked by then manager Steve McClaren.

The 30-year-old won 34 caps, the last of which saw him miss a penalty as England went out of the 2006 World Cup against Portugal in a shootout.

And while the nation mourned, Carragher was consoled by the fact he "would rather miss for England than LFC."

"Did I care we'd gone out of the tournament? Of course I did. Passionately," writes Carragher in his forthcoming autobiography.

"I've never given less than 100% in any game.

"Despite this, whenever I returned home from disappointing England experiences one unshakeable, overriding thought pushed itself to the forefront of my mind, no matter how much the rest of the nation mourned.

"'At least it wasn't Liverpool,' I'd repeat to myself, over and over.

"The text messages of consolation I received on the coach included one from Kenny Dalglish.

"'I would rather miss for England than LFC,' I wrote back.

"I confess: defeats wearing an England shirt never hurt me in the same way as losing with my club. I wasn't caring or indifferent, I simply didn't put England's fortunes at the top of my priority list.

"Losing felt like a disappointment rather than a calamity. I was never in love with playing for England in the first place. By the time I stopped I felt a huge weight lifting."

In the book, Carragher also expresses his desire to manage Liverpool when he retires from playing.

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A good honest lad.

Plechazunga · 3rd September 2008, 14:46

What he's too thick to understand is that caring less does in fact mean he's "giving less than 100%".

Dr. Dwayne · 3rd September 2008, 14:47

he doesn't say "I'm a retard" at all in that article.

most misleading thread title ever.

Slugger · 3rd September 2008, 15:46

Ghostwriter deserves a lot of credit here. Has actually been able to portray Carragher in a way that doesn't show him as a complete tool.

crappycraperson · 3rd September 2008, 16:01

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Originally Posted by Slugger

Ghostwriter deserves a lot of credit here. Has actually been able to portray Carragher in a way that doesn't show him as a complete tool.

You would think so..

By Jamie Carragher 3/09/2008

After I established myself at right-back, our African defender Rigobert Song found himself out of the team and our previously healthy relationship instantly deteriorated.

One morning in training he was told I'd been called into the England squad after performing well at full-back.

There was a look of astonishment on Song's face - a bit like the one we used to give him when he claimed he was only 21.

He might as well have blurted out he thought I wasn't good enough for international football.

He strolled off to his French speaking friends and began talking to them. I could see him pointing towards me while everyone was grinning. It was clear what he was saying and the rage inside me simmered.

Later, Song walked on to the training pitch with a smile on his face. He was limping off it with a grimace an hour later. The first chance I got, I did him. Never have I hunted down a 50-50 tackle with greater appetite.

"You're not f***ing laughing now are you, you soft twat?" I said as he hobbled away.

Did I care he had a knock? No way. I don't remember him or anyone else in the squad for that matter trying to take the piss out of my ability again.

Slugger · 3rd September 2008, 16:07

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Originally Posted by crappycraperson

You would think so..

By Jamie Carragher 3/09/2008

After I established myself at right-back, our African defender Rigobert Song found himself out of the team and our previously healthy relationship instantly deteriorated.

One morning in training he was told I'd been called into the England squad after performing well at full-back.

There was a look of astonishment on Song's face - a bit like the one we used to give him when he claimed he was only 21.

He might as well have blurted out he thought I wasn't good enough for international football.

He strolled off to his French speaking friends and began talking to them. I could see him pointing towards me while everyone was grinning. It was clear what he was saying and the rage inside me simmered.

Later, Song walked on to the training pitch with a smile on his face. He was limping off it with a grimace an hour later. The first chance I got, I did him. Never have I hunted down a 50-50 tackle with greater appetite.

"You're not f***ing laughing now are you, you soft twat?" I said as he hobbled away.

Did I care he had a knock? No way. I don't remember him or anyone else in the squad for that matter trying to take the piss out of my ability again.

Spoke too soon. Back he goes to being a wanker.

RedRover · 3rd September 2008, 16:09

Quote:

Originally Posted by Professor Percival Egg

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/foo...-Football.html

Liverpool's Jamie Carragher 'would rather miss for England'

Jamie Carragher says defeat while playing for England, even in the World Cup, hurt less than a loss with Liverpool.

By Telegraph staff and agencies
Last Updated: 12:35PM BST 03 Sep 2008

Carragher turned his back on international football last year after being constantly overlooked by then manager Steve McClaren.

The 30-year-old won 34 caps, the last of which saw him miss a penalty as England went out of the 2006 World Cup against Portugal in a shootout.

And while the nation mourned, Carragher was consoled by the fact he "would rather miss for England than LFC."

"Did I care we'd gone out of the tournament? Of course I did. Passionately," writes Carragher in his forthcoming autobiography.

"I've never given less than 100% in any game.

"Despite this, whenever I returned home from disappointing England experiences one unshakeable, overriding thought pushed itself to the forefront of my mind, no matter how much the rest of the nation mourned.

"'At least it wasn't Liverpool,' I'd repeat to myself, over and over.

"The text messages of consolation I received on the coach included one from Kenny Dalglish.

"'I would rather miss for England than LFC,' I wrote back.

"I confess: defeats wearing an England shirt never hurt me in the same way as losing with my club. I wasn't caring or indifferent, I simply didn't put England's fortunes at the top of my priority list.

"Losing felt like a disappointment rather than a calamity. I was never in love with playing for England in the first place. By the time I stopped I felt a huge weight lifting."

In the book, Carragher also expresses his desire to manage Liverpool when he retires from playing.

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A good honest lad.

Shows exactly why the England team constantly underachieve. It seems most players in the squad share Carraghers view that while unfortunate to lose with England its not as bad as losing with your club.

The players should be passionate about winning whoever they play for, but especially for they country - playing for England is an honour most would give their right arm for.

The England players are overpaid primadonas. Bin the lot of them and get some of the kids in.

GaryLifo · 3rd September 2008, 16:15

Quote:

Originally Posted by crappycraperson

You would think so..

By Jamie Carragher 3/09/2008

After I established myself at right-back, our African defender Rigobert Song found himself out of the team and our previously healthy relationship instantly deteriorated.

One morning in training he was told I'd been called into the England squad after performing well at full-back.

There was a look of astonishment on Song's face - a bit like the one we used to give him when he claimed he was only 21.

He might as well have blurted out he thought I wasn't good enough for international football.

He strolled off to his French speaking friends and began talking to them. I could see him pointing towards me while everyone was grinning. It was clear what he was saying and the rage inside me simmered.

Later, Song walked on to the training pitch with a smile on his face. He was limping off it with a grimace an hour later. The first chance I got, I did him. Never have I hunted down a 50-50 tackle with greater appetite.

"You're not f***ing laughing now are you, you soft twat?" I said as he hobbled away.

Did I care he had a knock? No way. I don't remember him or anyone else in the squad for that matter trying to take the piss out of my ability again.

Roy Keane got a 3 match ban for making very similar comments in his autobiography about the Haaland tackle.

I'd be interested in hearing the opinions of the many Arsenal and Liverpool fans who were telling us at the time that Keane should be banned for life.

Carragher has admitted he deliberately injured one of his own team-mates and didn't give a fuck how badly he was hurt.

I'd say that's bringing the game into disrepute and he needs to be called on it.

The precedent is the Roy Keane ban.. I won't hold my breath though.

Ivor Ballokov · 3rd September 2008, 16:15

He is like a little boy rejected by a good looking girl, "I never liked her anyway"

Psmith · 3rd September 2008, 16:16

Quote:

Originally Posted by crappycraperson

You would think so..

By Jamie Carragher 3/09/2008

After I established myself at right-back, our African defender Rigobert Song found himself out of the team and our previously healthy relationship instantly deteriorated.

One morning in training he was told I'd been called into the England squad after performing well at full-back.

There was a look of astonishment on Song's face - a bit like the one we used to give him when he claimed he was only 21.

He might as well have blurted out he thought I wasn't good enough for international football.

He strolled off to his French speaking friends and began talking to them. I could see him pointing towards me while everyone was grinning. It was clear what he was saying and the rage inside me simmered.

Later, Song walked on to the training pitch with a smile on his face. He was limping off it with a grimace an hour later. The first chance I got, I did him. Never have I hunted down a 50-50 tackle with greater appetite.

"You're not f***ing laughing now are you, you soft twat?" I said as he hobbled away.

Did I care he had a knock? No way. I don't remember him or anyone else in the squad for that matter trying to take the piss out of my ability again.

That's embarassing. Poor man's attempt at being Roy Keane there.

Nick 0208 Ldn · 3rd September 2008, 16:17

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Originally Posted by Professor Percival Egg

A good honest lad.

No, Carragher is a rat.

Funny that he didnt' say these thigns when he retired from the international game, far more convenient to do so when there was a few quid to be made.

No doubt there are others out there who hold similar sentiments, sad that ti is.

jasonrh · 3rd September 2008, 16:20

And then he throws a fit about not getting selected...

Professor Percival Egg · 3rd September 2008, 16:21

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Originally Posted by GaryLifo

Roy Keane got a 3 match ban for making very similar comments in his autobiography about the Haaland tackle.

I'd be interested in hearing the opinions of the many Arsenal and Liverpool fans who were telling us at the time that Keane should be banned for life.

Carragher has admitted he deliberately injured one of his own team-mates and didn't give a fuck how badly he was hurt.

I'd say that's bringing the game into disrepute and he needs to be called on it.

The precedent is the Roy Keane ban.. I won't hold my breath though.

He said he was only going for a 50/50 - not to break the cunt's leg

GaryLifo · 3rd September 2008, 16:23

Quote:

Originally Posted by Professor Percival Egg

He said he was only going for a 50/50 - not to break the cunt's leg

Keane did not say he was going to break anyones leg either.

He got done because he admitted he was happy to hurt a fellow pro.

Dress it up how you like. Carragher deserves the same punishment Keane got.

I'll say it again because you are thick and will not get it the first time.

Keane's second ban (after the red card) came a couple of years later and was for what he wrote in his book.

Carragher should be liable for the same charge, i.e. writing in his book that he deliberately hurt a fellow pro and didn't care if he was injured.

Double standards eh? What a shock.

spinoza · 3rd September 2008, 16:25

Quote:

Originally Posted by crappycraperson

You would think so..

By Jamie Carragher 3/09/2008

After I established myself at right-back, our African defender Rigobert Song found himself out of the team and our previously healthy relationship instantly deteriorated.

One morning in training he was told I'd been called into the England squad after performing well at full-back.

There was a look of astonishment on Song's face - a bit like the one we used to give him when he claimed he was only 21.

He might as well have blurted out he thought I wasn't good enough for international football.

He strolled off to his French speaking friends and began talking to them. I could see him pointing towards me while everyone was grinning. It was clear what he was saying and the rage inside me simmered.

Later, Song walked on to the training pitch with a smile on his face. He was limping off it with a grimace an hour later. The first chance I got, I did him. Never have I hunted down a 50-50 tackle with greater appetite.

"You're not f***ing laughing now are you, you soft twat?" I said as he hobbled away.

Did I care he had a knock? No way. I don't remember him or anyone else in the squad for that matter trying to take the piss out of my ability again.

golden_blunder · 3rd September 2008, 16:25

to be fair, Song deserved a good kick

edmundo · 3rd September 2008, 16:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by GaryLifo

Keane did not say he was going to break anyones leg either.

He got done because he admitted he was happy to hurt a fellow pro.

Dress it up how you like. Carragher deserves the same punishment Keane got.

I'll say it again because you are thick and will not get it the first time.

Keane's second ban (after the red card) came a couple of years later and was for what he wrote in his book.

Carragher should be liable for the same charge, i.e. writing in his book that he deliberately hurt a fellow pro and didn't care if he was injured.

Double standards eh? What a shock.

There was fucking uproar when Keano had said that in his book and its almost a certainty that nothing will happen to Carragher. It shouldn't even be debated, he deserves to be punished in some shape or form and to admit being happy in hurting another footballer, especially a teammate is the sign of a prick IMO.

jasonrh · 3rd September 2008, 16:31

Quote:

Originally Posted by Professor Percival Egg

He said he was only going for a 50/50 - not to break the cunt's leg

He looked for the first chance to "do" a team mate in training.

Because he made fun of Carra's international quality.

Good thing Adrian Durham didn't show up at Anfield after all, or it looks like Jamie would be sitting next to Joey Barton right now.

Count Duckula · 3rd September 2008, 16:33

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Originally Posted by GaryLifo

Keane did not say he was going to break anyones leg either.

Actually, I'm fairly sure he did say something like that. Along the lines of "I was going to break the cunt... he'd never stand over me accusing me of feigning injury again."

Quote:

Originally Posted by GaryLifo

He got done because he admitted he was happy to hurt a fellow pro.

Dress it up how you like. Carragher deserves the same punishment Keane got.

What? The cases are not the same at all. Carragher was annoyed at Song, and so went into the next "fifty/fifty challenge" too hard and injured Song.

There are two clear differences:

(A) Carragher waited for there to be an opportunity for a tackle to be made, and made it very forcefully. If it was a fifty/fifty challenge then he would have had to wait for that opportunity. Roy Keane went out with a premeditated plan to hurt Haaland whatever happened.

(B) Carragher caused Song to "limp off the field". Personally, I'd say that was considerably better than maliciously and deliberately near-crippling someone. Carragher's was a foul, perhaps a red card. Song sustained a minor injury. Keane committed what was tantamount to assault, and royally fucked up Haaland's leg.

Quote:

Originally Posted by GaryLifo

I'll say it again because you are thick and will not get it the first time.

Eloquently put.

Quote:

Originally Posted by GaryLifo

Keane's second ban (after the red card) came a couple of years later and was for what he wrote in his book.

Carragher should be liable for the same charge, i.e. writing in his book that he deliberately hurt a fellow pro and didn't care if he was injured.

Except, as I've already said, their cases are not similar. Carragher's "misdeed" was far less dangerous and damaging.

Quote:

Originally Posted by GaryLifo

Double standards eh? What a shock.

Ah, of course. Sorry, I forgot that the entire world was out to get Roy Keane and Manchester United.

djemba's arse · 3rd September 2008, 17:09

Fucking hell.

These quotes almost sound a bit like something David Brent out of the office would say to make himself seem 'hard but honest'. I bet he has a picture of himself on his locker.

Castolo · 3rd September 2008, 17:48

From Football365:

Quote:

More lovely stuff from Carra, who adds his two-penneth to the immigration debate in his weighty tome:

'I've got two brothers who find it hard to work in Liverpool in this Capital of Culture year. One of the reasons is we've made it too easy for foreigners to come here and take the jobs.'

Number of foreigners for whom Liverpool Football Club have made it easy to get work as first-team footballers: 44.

RedPhil1957 · 3rd September 2008, 17:55

Quote:

Originally Posted by GaryLifo

Roy Keane got a 3 match ban for making very similar comments in his autobiography about the Haaland tackle.

I'd be interested in hearing the opinions of the many Arsenal and Liverpool fans who were telling us at the time that Keane should be banned for life.

Carragher has admitted he deliberately injured one of his own team-mates and didn't give a fuck how badly he was hurt.

I'd say that's bringing the game into disrepute and he needs to be called on it.

The precedent is the Roy Keane ban.. I won't hold my breath though.

Jack Charlton claimed, in his book, that he always had a list of players he was going to "do" first chance he got -------the media treated that as an example of how tough they were in Jacks day.

Raven_Blade · 3rd September 2008, 18:09

Thats not right. You should care equally for your club as you do for your country. One doesnt have to be more important than the other. Just do your best in every game you play.

GaryLifo · 3rd September 2008, 18:11

Quote:

Originally Posted by Count Duckula

Actually, I'm fairly sure he did say something like that. Along the lines of "I was going to break the cunt... he'd never stand over me accusing me of feigning injury again."

What? The cases are not the same at all. Carragher was annoyed at Song, and so went into the next "fifty/fifty challenge" too hard and injured Song.

There are two clear differences:

(A) Carragher waited for there to be an opportunity for a tackle to be made, and made it very forcefully. If it was a fifty/fifty challenge then he would have had to wait for that opportunity. Roy Keane went out with a premeditated plan to hurt Haaland whatever happened.

(B) Carragher caused Song to "limp off the field". Personally, I'd say that was considerably better than maliciously and deliberately near-crippling someone. Carragher's was a foul, perhaps a red card. Song sustained a minor injury. Keane committed what was tantamount to assault, and royally fucked up Haaland's leg.

Eloquently put.

Except, as I've already said, their cases are not similar. Carragher's "misdeed" was far less dangerous and damaging.

Ah, of course. Sorry, I forgot that the entire world was out to get Roy Keane and Manchester United.

I WILL PUT THIS IN CAPITALS SO YOU UNDERSTAND

ROY KEANE WAS BANNED FOR 5 MATCHES FOR WHAT HE WROTE

IT HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THE ACTUAL TACKLE ON HAALAND.

DO YOU SEE? HE GOT A RED CARD AND A 3 GAME BAN FOR THE ACTUAL TACKLE.

HE THEN GOT 5 MATCHES AND A £151K FINE FOR WRITING IN HIS BOOK THAT HE DELIBERATELY TRIED TO HURT A FELLOW PRO.

CHRIST ON A FUCKING BIKE.

GaryLifo · 3rd September 2008, 18:14

Keane's comments

"I'd waited almost 180 minutes for Alfie," Keane said. "I'd waited long enough. I hit him hard. The ball was there (I think). Take that you cunt and don't ever stand over me talking about fake injuries ever again."

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Carragher

Later, Song walked on to the training pitch with a smile on his face. He was limping off it with a grimace an hour later. The first chance I got, I did him. Never have I hunted down a 50-50 tackle with greater appetite.

"You're not f***ing laughing now are you, you soft twat?" I said as he hobbled away.

Did I care he had a knock? No way. I don't remember him or anyone else in the squad for that matter trying to take the piss out of my ability again.

If cannot see the similarities in the comments then there's no hope for you.

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Professor Percival Egg Reserve Team Player Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: European Champions 2005 Posts: 1,066	Carragher says what others are thinking http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/foo...-Football.html Liverpool's Jamie Carragher 'would rather miss for England' Jamie Carragher says defeat while playing for England, even in the World Cup, hurt less than a loss with Liverpool. By Telegraph staff and agencies Last Updated: 12:35PM BST 03 Sep 2008 Carragher turned his back on international football last year after being constantly overlooked by then manager Steve McClaren. The 30-year-old won 34 caps, the last of which saw him miss a penalty as England went out of the 2006 World Cup against Portugal in a shootout. And while the nation mourned, Carragher was consoled by the fact he "would rather miss for England than LFC." "Did I care we'd gone out of the tournament? Of course I did. Passionately," writes Carragher in his forthcoming autobiography. "I've never given less than 100% in any game. "Despite this, whenever I returned home from disappointing England experiences one unshakeable, overriding thought pushed itself to the forefront of my mind, no matter how much the rest of the nation mourned. "'At least it wasn't Liverpool,' I'd repeat to myself, over and over. "The text messages of consolation I received on the coach included one from Kenny Dalglish. "'I would rather miss for England than LFC,' I wrote back. "I confess: defeats wearing an England shirt never hurt me in the same way as losing with my club. I wasn't caring or indifferent, I simply didn't put England's fortunes at the top of my priority list. "Losing felt like a disappointment rather than a calamity. I was never in love with playing for England in the first place. By the time I stopped I felt a huge weight lifting." In the book, Carragher also expresses his desire to manage Liverpool when he retires from playing. --------------------------------------- A good honest lad.

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Plechazunga Phones, soup, paint and chairs are troubling. Join Date: May 2003 Location: In the principality is chief executive of David evroshampiona Gil. Posts: 49,810	What he's too thick to understand is that caring less does in fact mean he's "giving less than 100%".

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Dr. Dwayne self confessed womens pantie wearer Join Date: May 2006 Location: form is emptiness, emptiness is form. Posts: 14,501	he doesn't say "I'm a retard" at all in that article. most misleading thread title ever.

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Slugger Drag Queen & Town Drunk Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: The 'fast Posts: 642	Ghostwriter deserves a lot of credit here. Has actually been able to portray Carragher in a way that doesn't show him as a complete tool.

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Ivor Ballokov Reserve Team Player Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: old south wales Posts: 3,252	He is like a little boy rejected by a good looking girl, "I never liked her anyway"

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jasonrh Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: "You sir, are the syphilitic cockbiscuit son of a hamster rimmer."; "Sir Alex Ferguson, trainer of the English champions, wants to start the spoon fruits since early." Posts: 59,058	And then he throws a fit about not getting selected...

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golden_blunder Manager Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: In the shadows fighting e-crime Posts: 45,704	to be fair, Song deserved a good kick

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djemba's arse Reserve Team Player Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: The trophy room Bad Posts: 0 Posts: 1,552	Fucking hell. These quotes almost sound a bit like something David Brent out of the office would say to make himself seem 'hard but honest'. I bet he has a picture of himself on his locker.

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Raven_Blade Attention Whoring Common Crow Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: In Man Utd's Defence. Posts: 18,262	Thats not right. You should care equally for your club as you do for your country. One doesnt have to be more important than the other. Just do your best in every game you play.

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GaryLifo Nice Bloke Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Davo thinks I'm weird Posts: 3,525	Keane's comments "I'd waited almost 180 minutes for Alfie," Keane said. "I'd waited long enough. I hit him hard. The ball was there (I think). Take that you cunt and don't ever stand over me talking about fake injuries ever again." ------------------------------- Carragher Later, Song walked on to the training pitch with a smile on his face. He was limping off it with a grimace an hour later. The first chance I got, I did him. Never have I hunted down a 50-50 tackle with greater appetite. "You're not f*ing laughing now are you, you soft twat?" I said as he hobbled away. Did I care he had a knock? No way**. I don't remember him or anyone else in the squad for that matter trying to take the piss out of my ability again. If cannot see the similarities in the comments then there's no hope for you.

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