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Old 17th September 2008, 17:28   #201 (permalink)
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John Terry should be seriously murdered until death.
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Old 17th September 2008, 17:30   #202 (permalink)
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Do you think the inconsistencies exhibited are okay then?

As for your second point, I think he was let off precisely because of who he is and his position. I doubt 70% off SSN viewers think he is a 'massive cnut' btw... even I wouldn't go that far, arsehole maybe?
Which inconsistencies?

And I think cunt is more than apt for Terry, I was being polite.
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Old 17th September 2008, 17:31   #203 (permalink)
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Even if you believe that it's still got nothing to do with the Terry situation. Acting like the FA correctly overturning the red card is indicative of them being out to get United is just paranoid bollocks.
It's not indicative of them being against United. It's indicative of them being cunts.

And being against United.
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Old 17th September 2008, 17:49   #204 (permalink)
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I'd have thought there was more than enough indecision in this to let the referee's opinion stand.

That is why I think Fergie had a point.
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Old 17th September 2008, 18:51   #205 (permalink)
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They're two separate issues.

The respect campaign is to stop players hounding refs during games, players could still appeal against decisions after matches exactly like in this case with Terry. It was never about pretending the ref got everything 100% right all the time, that would have been ludicrous.
The point is that had that result gone against Chelsea and one of their players went ballistic at the ref for getting the decision wrong he would be punished despite the fact that the player would have every reason to be upset and the football association would be backing up that view. The player would still be punished though.

Personally I don't think overturning the decision is showing much respect to the referee. As far as I'm aware the rule book still states that if in the opinion of the referee there has been an act of serious foul play then the player should be red carded. It was the refs opinion.
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Old 17th September 2008, 22:06   #206 (permalink)
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The point is that had that result gone against Chelsea and one of their players went ballistic at the ref for getting the decision wrong he would be punished despite the fact that the player would have every reason to be upset and the football association would be backing up that view. The player would still be punished though.
But the player being punished in that case isn't being punished for thinking the ref is wrong, he's being punished for going "ballistic at the ref". That's what the respect campaign is about, treating the ref with respect even if you think he's made the wrong call.

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Personally I don't think overturning the decision is showing much respect to the referee. As far as I'm aware the rule book still states that if in the opinion of the referee there has been an act of serious foul play then the player should be red carded. It was the refs opinion.
See you're conflating the two issues. One is whether the ref is right or wrong and the other is showing respect to the ref, the two aren't linked.
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Old 18th September 2008, 00:54   #207 (permalink)
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I find it comical that the FA will basically tell their own refs "you fucked up" but uphold ridiculous red cards from some mickey mouse pre-season tournament played in Holland.
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Old 18th September 2008, 01:04   #208 (permalink)
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I find it comical that the FA will basically tell their own refs "you fucked up" but uphold ridiculous red cards from some mickey mouse pre-season tournament played in Holland.
Spot on. More respect to the ref's, yeah right just appeal behind his back and get away with it.
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Old 18th September 2008, 12:20   #209 (permalink)
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This article clarifies quite a few things that virtually everyone here (including me) has got wrong.

Terry's red card has not been rescinded:

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"The card is not downgraded from a red to a yellow. The red card remains on your record, and it is factored into a club punishment for a bad disciplinary record, but the commission decides that the sending off is sufficient punishment.
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Old 18th September 2008, 12:39   #210 (permalink)
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So, the red card stands, but he doesn't get a ban out of it? Why?
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Old 18th September 2008, 12:50   #211 (permalink)
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So, the red card stands, but he doesn't get a ban out of it? Why?
That makes no sense whatsoever. A red card should mean an automatic ban. If they have decided that it has warranted a red card, then there should be a ban.

But in no way was it a sending off offence in the first place.
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Old 18th September 2008, 12:56   #212 (permalink)
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But, they've basically decided that it was a red card, but that he doesn't get banned, because he's John Terry? What the hell is going on here?
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Old 18th September 2008, 13:18   #213 (permalink)
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A one match ban would have been the correct outcome.
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Old 18th September 2008, 13:19   #214 (permalink)
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The appeal isn't to get the red card rescinded, its to get the suspension after the game rescinded.

You can't rescind the red card as its happened already, if you were you'd end up having the situation that someone mentioned before about replaying games etc.

It makes sense to me anyway.
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Old 18th September 2008, 14:11   #215 (permalink)
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what a crock of shit
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Old 18th September 2008, 18:42   #216 (permalink)
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But the player being punished in that case isn't being punished for thinking the ref is wrong, he's being punished for going "ballistic at the ref". That's what the respect campaign is about, treating the ref with respect even if you think he's made the wrong call.



See you're conflating the two issues. One is whether the ref is right or wrong and the other is showing respect to the ref, the two aren't linked.

The refs have to earn that respect though. If by the F.A's own admission the ref has failed to do his job then he has not earned that respect.
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