City: Is it Mancini who has the problem?

Inigo Montoya · 27th January 2012, 14:34

Just listened to Joorabchian and he did appear to make some interesting points as regards Mancini's relationships with players.He mentioned Adebayor,Given,Bridge and of course Tevez all being frozen out by the manager.

Just got me thinking if SAF would have acted any differently? Or is Kia just playing the victim card?

MikeUpNorth · 27th January 2012, 14:38

Don't believe a word that bloke says.

Randall Flagg · 27th January 2012, 14:40

They were not his signings. As much as I like Given, Hart had to be given the number 1 spot

Bridge has been useless for years.

He should have looked to actively sell them sooner though. Given certainly wanted out. But I think Bridge was happy enough collecting his pay

Sunny Jim · 27th January 2012, 14:40

It also strikes me that the ones that replaced mentioned players (like Hart, Augerro, Clichy) are simply better.

Smith's Cove · 27th January 2012, 14:42

I said pretty much the same thing to a City fan on Sunday and he just went off on a rant about how it is just the players. Personally, I think he's a decent enough manager but his man management skills aren't the best. Interesting thread given Fergie's interview this week hwere he talked about the problems in dealing with modern players and how he has had to adapt.

Cina · 27th January 2012, 14:43

Adebayor and Tevez also have very suspect pasts with other clubs too, so it can't be said that Mancini started this.

Lance Uppercut · 27th January 2012, 14:43

He is full of shit. I'm with Mike.

Aint gota Kalou · 27th January 2012, 14:43

I don't think it's Mancini's fault that managers like Hughes brought in egos on inflated wages, all he's trying to do is get rid of the deadwood who don't contribute anymore.

I don't think any of the players he's percieved to of fallen out with have actually been players he's brought in.

Eightball · 27th January 2012, 14:45

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Originally Posted by Inigo Montoya

Just listened to Joorabchian and he did appear to make some interesting points as regards Mancini's relationships with players.He mentioned Adebayor,Given,Bridge and of course Tevez all being frozen out by the manager.

Just got me thinking if SAF would have acted any differently? Or is Kia just playing the victim card?

This doesn't make sense, sorry.

Inigo Montoya · 27th January 2012, 14:47

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Originally Posted by Aint gota Kalou

I don't think it's Mancini's fault that managers like Hughes brought in egos on inflated wages, all he's trying to do is get rid of the deadwood who don't contribute anymore.

I don't think any of the players he's percieved to of fallen out with have actually been players he's brought in.

He did bring in Balotelli though so he's no stranger to buying players with baggage.Just wonder that a SAF might have handled those players better even if he didn't see them as having a future at his club

Inigo Montoya · 27th January 2012, 14:49

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Originally Posted by R_Nick

This doesn't make sense, sorry.

I know, he had me going.Very seductive way of speaking..I could see myself turning to the dark side.

prateik · 27th January 2012, 14:50

Bellamy too.
He made his mind up about the players who he didnt like or were trouble makers and pushed them out.

Not his players. Fergie probably did the same when he took over.

Zarlak · 27th January 2012, 14:57

Yeah I'd say it was a mix of a couple of said players being cunts, and the others not being as good as the people that replaced them.

Oggmonster · 27th January 2012, 14:58

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Originally Posted by Inigo Montoya

He did bring in Balotelli though so he's no stranger to buying players with baggage.Just wonder that a SAF might have handled those players better even if he didn't see them as having a future at his club

Didn't he work with Ballotelli at Inter and have a decent relationship with him? I thought Balotelli went bit mental once Mourinho/Benitez took over?

I don't really think mancini has done anything wrong with them players, he didn't seem to freeze Given out, just he had a better keeper, Bridge was pretty shite and Adebayor and Tevez shot themselves in the foot really. Like has been said, none were his signings and except Tevez none were ever in his plans. He's lot Adebayor leave on loan, sold Given and tried getting rid of Bridge so it's hardly his problem now.

For all City's money they aren't just going to let players join clubs for nothing or if they do carry on paying their wages which is what happened with Bridge at West Ham, I think they've learnt from that and want some kind of return on these players which is fair enough.

Aint gota Kalou · 27th January 2012, 14:59

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Originally Posted by Inigo Montoya

He did bring in Balotelli though so he's no stranger to buying players with baggage.Just wonder that a SAF might have handled those players better even if he didn't see them as having a future at his club

I'm not saying he's not brought in egos but the ones he has brought he's still getting a contribution from.

When they initially got the money City were going overly mental with it and Mancini is now trying to sort out all the mess the previous managers have brought into the club. He's doing really well in my opinion, as generally he's managed to off-load the players without them really impacting on their first teams morale and results.

Inigo Montoya · 27th January 2012, 14:59

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Originally Posted by prateik

Bellamy too.
He made his mind up about the players who he didnt like or were trouble makers and pushed them out.

Not his players. Fergie probably did the same when he took over.

Well he had some issues with Whiteside,Mcgrath possibly Robson as well,just dealt with them differently

prateik · 27th January 2012, 15:05

At that time it probably wasnt that hard to move players on if they werent needed.
In City's case, they are on crazy money and a few of them will be happy to see their contracts out even if they arent playing.
They get treated differently.

Tevez is a completely different case. He's just a fucking cock.

That'sHernandez · 27th January 2012, 15:05

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Originally Posted by Aint gota Kalou

I don't think it's Mancini's fault that managers like Hughes brought in egos on inflated wages, all he's trying to do is get rid of the deadwood who don't contribute anymore.

I don't think any of the players he's percieved to of fallen out with have actually been players he's brought in.

It's not really Hughes' fault that they were the only players he could get in. The owners expected big things and big names in a short period of time and City weren't competing in the right area of the table or in any tournaments that could realistically attract the kind of players the new owners wanted, as you can see with their attempt to buy Kaka, and as a result Hughes could only bring in mercenaries.

Guy Incognito · 27th January 2012, 15:08

Remember that when Mancini came to City, he didn't really inherit a strong spine. Joe Hart was at loan to Birmingham so he had to make do with Given, the defence was incoherent and there wasn't a playmaker, which caused problems for the strikers. He did well signing Silva, Yaya Toure and Aguero, the likes of Nasri and Savic remain to be seen.

cw1984 · 27th January 2012, 15:10

You surely don't believe him do you? Yes... poor Tevez.

The sooner both cunts fuck off the better. Unfortunately for us, there will be no getting rid of Kia.

MrMarcello · 27th January 2012, 15:10

Tevez is a twat with a high sense of self-entitlement. I think that clearly answers the problem here.

Decotron · 27th January 2012, 15:10

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Originally Posted by Lance Uppercut

He is full of shit. I'm with Mike.

I concur, my congrats to you and mike though...

Crustanoid · 27th January 2012, 16:07

That plastic train wreck of a 'club' (or ex-club - they in no way resemble Manchester City these days) are the problem. I don't blame Tevez, Kia, Adebayor or anyone else for taking them for all they can. Remember they are massively responsible for the mercenary culture of football players today so they deserve all the trouble they get. Can't wait till FFP kicks in and the likes of Ballotelli, Aguero et al are throwing tantrums about improved contracts.

Pogue Mahone · 27th January 2012, 16:08

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Originally Posted by Decotron

I concur, my congrats to you and mike though...

SharkyMcShark · 27th January 2012, 16:21

It's an issue with the way the club was raised from mid/lower table status to title challengers - they attracted players from bigger clubs, most of them offcasts, some of whom were slightly over the hill (Bridge, Santa Cruz, K. Toure), some of whom were known troublemakers (Tevez, Adebayor) by paying far far far over the odds for them both in terms of transfer fees and wages. Usually it isn't an issue for a club raised like this but the fact that it's been done more or less in the space of less than four years is what has undone them.

Now they're at the level they're at they can attract players the same way most other big clubs do - not relying so much on the offer of riches but of challenging for titles, cups and Champions League football.

They don't need the offcasts and the trouble makers anymore that they had as their marquees in the period in which they were transitioning to where they are now because they've got really really good (dare I say world class, depending on what your definition of world class is) players in to replace them.

The issue for City is that they paid these early marquee players such massive wages and gave them such fat contracts at the outset of the City project that they're not going to get a comparable offers anywhere else. They'd all be looking as halving their wages elsewhere. At least. So they cling on to their contracts, as Wayne Bridge is doing, while not being played or even registered to play because actually playing elsewhere for half the money isn't as appealing as not playing for half a million pounds a month.

It's basically like if you can imagine a rocket leaving the atmosphere, but then the boosters clinging on for dear life when the pilots try to eject them - they've served their purpose in elevating the club to where it is now but there's no further need for them and they should really fuck off, but don't want to

noodlehair · 27th January 2012, 16:25

Is it just me who thinks Mancini's been a bit of a bellend?

I'm not going to defend Tevez or that weird bond villain agent of his, but Mancini did kind of manufacture this situation for himself.

He knew Tevez wanted out, and he knew the club wanted to recoup as much money as they could for him...and yet he puts Tevez on the bench for a CL game and then tries to bring him on and void any interest in him from the Milan clubs. Someone had obviously had a word in Tevez's ear and told him not to play (either that or he's less thick than he looks/usually acts)...and then afterwards Mancini comes out and tells the world what had just happened, presumably in some plight of self sorrow or excuse finding. He acted like an oaf...and yes, there are valid question marks over his handling of various other players, and general, pre-Wengeresque meltdown behaviour of recent weeks.

I don't think he's as "classy" as everyone seems to keep telling me he is, at the very least. He's feeling the pressure and doing a gradually worsening job of hiding it.

SharkyMcShark · 27th January 2012, 16:28

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Originally Posted by noodlehair

Is it just me who thinks Mancini's been a bit of a bellend?

I'm not going to defend Tevez or that weird bond villain agent of his, but Mancini did kind of manufacture this situation for himself.

He knew Tevez wanted out, and he knew the club wanted to recoup as much money as they could for him...and yet he puts Tevez on the bench for a CL game and then tries to bring him on and void any interest in him from the Milan clubs. Someone had obviously had a word in Tevez's ear and told him not to play (either that or he's less thick than he looks/usually acts)...and then afterwards Mancini comes out and tells the world what had just happened, presumably in some plight of self sorrow or excuse finding. He acted like an oaf...and yes, there are valid question marks over his handling of various other players, and general, pre-Wengeresque meltdown behaviour of recent weeks.

I don't think he's as "classy" as everyone seems to keep telling me he is, at the very least. He's feeling the pressure and doing a gradually worsening job of hiding it.

I don't know why he was haggling with Milan over four million pounds when they offered 20.9. If he tells them to go do one surely Tevez' value will have depreciated even more by the time the next transfer window comes around and the offers will be getting lower and lower?

noodlehair · 27th January 2012, 17:05

I don't get that either. They should count themselves lucky to be getting any offers.

Also, the more I think about it, the more the trying to bring him on vs Bayern thing seems a bit sinister/nasty on Mancini's part.

Unless I've got it figured wrong, Tevez was eligable for CL football elsewhere so long as he didn't play, so there was no way he COULD come on, from his point of view, and Mancini will have full well known that. So he tries to bring him on anyway and stitches him up with disciplinary. Seems more like a pretty closely thought two way cnut contest, than Tevez giving poor Mancini the run around.

Zen86 · 27th January 2012, 17:06

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Originally Posted by noodlehair

Is it just me who thinks Mancini's been a bit of a bellend?
I'm not going to defend Tevez or that weird bond villain agent of his, but Mancini did kind of manufacture this situation for himself.

He knew Tevez wanted out, and he knew the club wanted to recoup as much money as they could for him...and yet he puts Tevez on the bench for a CL game and then tries to bring him on and void any interest in him from the Milan clubs. Someone had obviously had a word in Tevez's ear and told him not to play (either that or he's less thick than he looks/usually acts)...and then afterwards Mancini comes out and tells the world what had just happened, presumably in some plight of self sorrow or excuse finding. He acted like an oaf...and yes, there are valid question marks over his handling of various other players, and general, pre-Wengeresque meltdown behaviour of recent weeks.

I don't think he's as "classy" as everyone seems to keep telling me he is, at the very least. He's feeling the pressure and doing a gradually worsening job of hiding it.

No.

Joorabchian isn't someone I would trust to tell the truth but Mancini has a very twattish nature about him.

Many public spats with players (I don't care who the players are, there are better ways to deal with it) and increasingly bizarre accusations and attacks on refs/the FA/everyone.

SharkyMcShark · 27th January 2012, 17:08

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Originally Posted by noodlehair

I don't get that either. They should count themselves lucky to be getting any offers.

Also, the more I think about it, the more the trying to bring him on vs Bayern thing seems a bit sinister/nasty on Mancini's part.

Unless I've got it figured wrong, Tevez was eligable for CL football elsewhere so long as he didn't play, so there was no way he COULD come on, from his point of view, and Mancini will have full well known that. So he tries to bring him on anyway and stitches him up with disciplinary. Seems more like a pretty closely thought two way cnut contest, than Tevez giving poor Mancini the run around.

I'm not sure whether he has to physically get on the pitch or if being in the squad is enough to cup tie him

Zen86 · 27th January 2012, 17:09

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Originally Posted by Guy Incognito

Remember that when Mancini came to City, he didn't really inherit a strong spine. Joe Hart was at loan to Birmingham so he had to make do with Given, the defence was incoherent and there wasn't a playmaker, which caused problems for the strikers. He did well signing Silva, Yaya Toure and Aguero, the likes of Nasri and Savic remain to be seen.

How does buying everyone available translate to 'doing well'?

Cina · 27th January 2012, 17:11

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Originally Posted by Zen86

How does buying everyone available translate to 'doing well'?

Well he didn't buy Carroll or Torres, to be fair

Zen86 · 27th January 2012, 17:15

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Originally Posted by Cina

Well he didn't buy Carroll or Torres, to be fair

I'd be very surprised if they didn't go for Torres, and only Kenny could fork out that kind of dosh for Carroll

Sarni · 27th January 2012, 17:22

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Originally Posted by SharkyMcShark

I'm not sure whether he has to physically get on the pitch or if being in the squad is enough to cup tie him

Has to feature.

cheesy · 27th January 2012, 17:55

Mancini is a manager who has frozen certain players out in the past, however he can't really be blamed in some of these cases. When he came in, City were a team with a massive team, and he still had a lot of money to improve it. Of course there were going to be players who would be frozen out. It was almost impossible for everyone to remain in the first team picture. It wasn't his own squad at all, and he had every right to make changes.

Adebayor maybe should've got more of a chance, however it's clear that his attitude isn't the best. Given may have found himself hard done by, although since Hart took the number 1 spot, we've seen that it was the correct decision. Bridge was useless. You can't say much more about that.

Inigo Montoya · 27th January 2012, 17:57

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Originally Posted by cheesy

Mancini is a manager who has frozen certain players out in the past, however he can't really be blamed in some of these cases. When he came in, City were a team with a massive team, and he still had a lot of money to improve it. Of course there were going to be players who would be frozen out. It was almost impossible for everyone to remain in the first team picture. It wasn't his own squad at all, and he had every right to make changes.

Adebayor maybe should've got more of a chance, however it's clear that his attitude isn't the best. Given may have found himself hard done by, although since Hart took the number 1 spot, we've seen that it was the correct decision. Bridge was useless. You can't say much more about that.

Seems to be happy at Spurs or is it the better man management of 'arry?

cheesy · 27th January 2012, 18:00

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Originally Posted by Inigo Montoya

Seems to be happy at Spurs or is it the better man management of 'arry?

Yes, he's happy at Spurs, but his first season at Man City went by without too many major problems and he actually fared quite well. If he stayed at Spurs for a few season, then I could see cracks appearing.

Inigo Montoya · 27th January 2012, 18:15

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Originally Posted by cheesy

Yes, he's happy at Spurs, but his first season at Man City went by without too many major problems and he actually fared quite well. If he stayed at Spurs for a few season, then I could see cracks appearing.

How do you quantify 'a few seasons'? If by that time Spurs have won something and he contributed, I'd say he'd have proved good value.

All hypothetical though.

Badunk · 27th January 2012, 18:49

Joorabchian will be hoping he can flog Tevez in the summer when 'new markets open up' and a team with CL qualification will be up for a bit of moody bastard action.

noodlehair · 27th January 2012, 19:37

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Originally Posted by SharkyMcShark

I'm not sure whether he has to physically get on the pitch or if being in the squad is enough to cup tie him

Pretty sure he has to feature, but I wasn't sure if it was their first CL game or whether he played in any previous ones this season.

If he didn't, then Mancini's been an even bigger cunt than Tevez has there, which is some accomplishment. Deliberately put Tevez in an impossible situation and then come out and sling him up after the game.

None of the handling of Tevez has made any sense tbh. They should have just got rid in the summer...but then it probably isn't entirely in Mancini's hands.

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Inigo Montoya First Team Sub Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 6,737	City: Is it Mancini who has the problem? Just listened to Joorabchian and he did appear to make some interesting points as regards Mancini's relationships with players.He mentioned Adebayor,Given,Bridge and of course Tevez all being frozen out by the manager. Just got me thinking if SAF would have acted any differently? Or is Kia just playing the victim card?

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27th January 2012, 14:38	#2 (permalink)
MikeUpNorth Wobbles like a massive pair of tits Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 12,828	Don't believe a word that bloke says.

27th January 2012, 14:40	#3 (permalink)
Randall Flagg Scarlett woman ( Frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn ) Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 14,560	They were not his signings. As much as I like Given, Hart had to be given the number 1 spot Bridge has been useless for years. He should have looked to actively sell them sooner though. Given certainly wanted out. But I think Bridge was happy enough collecting his pay

27th January 2012, 14:40	#4 (permalink)
Sunny Jim First Team Regular Join Date: May 2007 Location: Warsaw...that's too far away from Edinburgh... Posts: 13,951	It also strikes me that the ones that replaced mentioned players (like Hart, Augerro, Clichy) are simply better.

27th January 2012, 14:42	#5 (permalink)
Smith's Cove Reserve Team Player Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 1,513	I said pretty much the same thing to a City fan on Sunday and he just went off on a rant about how it is just the players. Personally, I think he's a decent enough manager but his man management skills aren't the best. Interesting thread given Fergie's interview this week hwere he talked about the problems in dealing with modern players and how he has had to adapt.

27th January 2012, 14:43	#6 (permalink)
Cina I hate everything Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: :noitacoL Posts: 12,392	Adebayor and Tevez also have very suspect pasts with other clubs too, so it can't be said that Mancini started this.

27th January 2012, 14:43	#7 (permalink)
Lance Uppercut First Team Regular Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: NOBODY, calls Dugan a turd. Posts: 19,025	He is full of shit. I'm with Mike.

27th January 2012, 14:43	#8 (permalink)
Aint gota Kalou Reserve Team Player Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 2,328	I don't think it's Mancini's fault that managers like Hughes brought in egos on inflated wages, all he's trying to do is get rid of the deadwood who don't contribute anymore. I don't think any of the players he's percieved to of fallen out with have actually been players he's brought in.

27th January 2012, 14:50	#12 (permalink)
prateik First Team Regular Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 16,617	Bellamy too. He made his mind up about the players who he didnt like or were trouble makers and pushed them out. Not his players. Fergie probably did the same when he took over.

27th January 2012, 14:57	#13 (permalink)
Zarlak 3-0 and you messed it up! Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: "Angels to some, Demons to others." Posts: 12,766	Yeah I'd say it was a mix of a couple of said players being cunts, and the others not being as good as the people that replaced them.

27th January 2012, 15:05	#17 (permalink)
prateik First Team Regular Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 16,617	At that time it probably wasnt that hard to move players on if they werent needed. In City's case, they are on crazy money and a few of them will be happy to see their contracts out even if they arent playing. They get treated differently. Tevez is a completely different case. He's just a fucking cock.

27th January 2012, 15:08	#19 (permalink)
Guy Incognito Reserve Team Player Join Date: May 2011 Location: "Second place? That's a fancy word for losing." — Bender, Futurama. Posts: 3,487	Remember that when Mancini came to City, he didn't really inherit a strong spine. Joe Hart was at loan to Birmingham so he had to make do with Given, the defence was incoherent and there wasn't a playmaker, which caused problems for the strikers. He did well signing Silva, Yaya Toure and Aguero, the likes of Nasri and Savic remain to be seen.

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cw1984 Compulsive wanker Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: at work, probably. Posts: 21,926	You surely don't believe him do you? Yes... poor Tevez. The sooner both cunts fuck off the better. Unfortunately for us, there will be no getting rid of Kia.

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MrMarcello No Lifer Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Georgia Posts: 31,577	Tevez is a twat with a high sense of self-entitlement. I think that clearly answers the problem here.

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Crustanoid First Team Regular Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 12,790	That plastic train wreck of a 'club' (or ex-club - they in no way resemble Manchester City these days) are the problem. I don't blame Tevez, Kia, Adebayor or anyone else for taking them for all they can. Remember they are massively responsible for the mercenary culture of football players today so they deserve all the trouble they get. Can't wait till FFP kicks in and the likes of Ballotelli, Aguero et al are throwing tantrums about improved contracts.

27th January 2012, 16:21	#25 (permalink)
SharkyMcShark First Team Regular Join Date: May 2007 Location: Using location as a tagline: because I'm just not cool enough to have my own. Posts: 18,060	It's an issue with the way the club was raised from mid/lower table status to title challengers - they attracted players from bigger clubs, most of them offcasts, some of whom were slightly over the hill (Bridge, Santa Cruz, K. Toure), some of whom were known troublemakers (Tevez, Adebayor) by paying far far far over the odds for them both in terms of transfer fees and wages. Usually it isn't an issue for a club raised like this but the fact that it's been done more or less in the space of less than four years is what has undone them. Now they're at the level they're at they can attract players the same way most other big clubs do - not relying so much on the offer of riches but of challenging for titles, cups and Champions League football. They don't need the offcasts and the trouble makers anymore that they had as their marquees in the period in which they were transitioning to where they are now because they've got really really good (dare I say world class, depending on what your definition of world class is) players in to replace them. The issue for City is that they paid these early marquee players such massive wages and gave them such fat contracts at the outset of the City project that they're not going to get a comparable offers anywhere else. They'd all be looking as halving their wages elsewhere. At least. So they cling on to their contracts, as Wayne Bridge is doing, while not being played or even registered to play because actually playing elsewhere for half the money isn't as appealing as not playing for half a million pounds a month. It's basically like if you can imagine a rocket leaving the atmosphere, but then the boosters clinging on for dear life when the pilots try to eject them - they've served their purpose in elevating the club to where it is now but there's no further need for them and they should really fuck off, but don't want to

27th January 2012, 16:25	#26 (permalink)
noodlehair "It's like..." Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Flagg Posts: 1,464	Is it just me who thinks Mancini's been a bit of a bellend? I'm not going to defend Tevez or that weird bond villain agent of his, but Mancini did kind of manufacture this situation for himself. He knew Tevez wanted out, and he knew the club wanted to recoup as much money as they could for him...and yet he puts Tevez on the bench for a CL game and then tries to bring him on and void any interest in him from the Milan clubs. Someone had obviously had a word in Tevez's ear and told him not to play (either that or he's less thick than he looks/usually acts)...and then afterwards Mancini comes out and tells the world what had just happened, presumably in some plight of self sorrow or excuse finding. He acted like an oaf...and yes, there are valid question marks over his handling of various other players, and general, pre-Wengeresque meltdown behaviour of recent weeks. I don't think he's as "classy" as everyone seems to keep telling me he is, at the very least. He's feeling the pressure and doing a gradually worsening job of hiding it.

27th January 2012, 17:05	#28 (permalink)
noodlehair "It's like..." Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Flagg Posts: 1,464	I don't get that either. They should count themselves lucky to be getting any offers. Also, the more I think about it, the more the trying to bring him on vs Bayern thing seems a bit sinister/nasty on Mancini's part. Unless I've got it figured wrong, Tevez was eligable for CL football elsewhere so long as he didn't play, so there was no way he COULD come on, from his point of view, and Mancini will have full well known that. So he tries to bring him on anyway and stitches him up with disciplinary. Seems more like a pretty closely thought two way cnut contest, than Tevez giving poor Mancini the run around.

27th January 2012, 17:55	#35 (permalink)
cheesy Reserve Team Player Join Date: Oct 2011 Posts: 3,394	Mancini is a manager who has frozen certain players out in the past, however he can't really be blamed in some of these cases. When he came in, City were a team with a massive team, and he still had a lot of money to improve it. Of course there were going to be players who would be frozen out. It was almost impossible for everyone to remain in the first team picture. It wasn't his own squad at all, and he had every right to make changes. Adebayor maybe should've got more of a chance, however it's clear that his attitude isn't the best. Given may have found himself hard done by, although since Hart took the number 1 spot, we've seen that it was the correct decision. Bridge was useless. You can't say much more about that.

27th January 2012, 18:49	#39 (permalink)
Badunk Reserve Team Player Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Lynne, these are sex people! Posts: 4,647	Joorabchian will be hoping he can flog Tevez in the summer when 'new markets open up' and a team with CL qualification will be up for a bit of moody bastard action.