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Old 17th August 2011, 11:38   #1 (permalink)
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David De Gea vs Wojciech Szczęsny

Two young and inexperienced keepers playing for a top 6 side. I feel these two are the most talented young keepers in the Prem and it will be interesting to chart their form over the course of the season.


David De Gea
7th November 1990 (20)
57 appearnces Atletico
2 Appearances United

Wojciech Szczęsny
18 April 1990 (21)
16 appearances Arsenal
28 appearances Brentford

Have a shot on who you rate best on the following categories.

Shot Stopping - self explanatory
Command Area - knowing when to come out and control your box
Handling - they dont spill the ball
Taking Crosses - self explanatory
Organising Defence - at corners and set pieces especially free kicks
Kicking - self explanatory
Ball Control - involved with play and back passes
Starting Attacks - how quick to start a break
Throwing -
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Old 17th August 2011, 11:41   #4 (permalink)
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Old 17th August 2011, 11:41   #5 (permalink)
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So to sum up, I rate the MUCH more successful keeper as being better in all categories.
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Why don't people actually wait till both have had a full season at their current respective clubs before starting a thread like this?
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Old 17th August 2011, 11:45   #8 (permalink)
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Both promising young keepers. Arsenal's PIG is under rated on this forum.

Too early to say which is better in this league yet IMO as DeGea has only played once.
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Old 17th August 2011, 12:12   #9 (permalink)
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De Gea is suited to United (give him some time to show it), Szczęsny shows he's suited to Arsenal.

To early to compare them... really. They're young bastards.
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De Gea and Szczesny
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Old 17th August 2011, 12:29   #11 (permalink)
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Both promising young keepers. Arsenal's PIG is under rated on this forum.

Too early to say which is better in this league yet IMO as DeGea has only played once.
Crimianlly under-rated. It beyond me really, the guy got his debut against United at OT. Was nothing short of briliant in that game. then he played in Arsenal's goal for the rest of the season - did nothing wrong (from United POV) apart from pulling of some great saves.

and yet morons here give him stick for...... being an Arsenal player and we know that if you are an Arsenal keeper you're a plonker. yeah righto.

I've been saying this for two years now- hes one of the most talented keepers in world and already one of the best in the EPL.

ATM i'd rather have him in the squad than DDG. This will change once DDG
adapts to the EPL.
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He got stick last season for making high-profile errors. The same reason DDG has been getting stick this season.
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He got stick last season for making high-profile errors. The same reason DDG has been getting stick this season.
honest request here - i might be missing something but i don't remeber his cock-ups. so when he was to blame then?
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Old 17th August 2011, 12:48   #14 (permalink)
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I think Pogue is referring to the Carling Cup Final mix up with Koscielny? I can't remember any others.
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honest request here - i might be missing something but i don't remeber his cock-ups. so when he was to blame then?
Carling Cup Final v Birmingham for starters.
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Old 17th August 2011, 12:53   #16 (permalink)
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For the 983rd time - that was 99% Koscielny's fault.
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I've been saying this for two years now- hes one of the most talented keepers in world and already one of the best in the EPL.
Based on half a season as Arsenal's first choice? What utter nonsence. Almost as ridiculous as the media suggesting DDG should be sold.

He's nowhere near one of the best in the Premier League. Not yet anyway.
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So to sum up, I rate the MUCH more successful keeper as being better in all categories.
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Based on half a season as Arsenal's first choice? What utter nonsence. Almost as ridiculous as the media suggesting DDG should be sold.

He's nowhere near one of the best in the Premier League. Not yet anyway.
I really think he is, I've watched him for a while in Arsenal youth team games and Carling Cup against West Brom and he's always looked brilliant to me. Really is a top keeper.
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Carling Cup Final v Birmingham for starters.
and yep, that pretty much exhausts list of his mistakes. and I'm with pete here, it wasn't his fault.
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Didn't he give away a penalty against Spurs? I don't think that was a clear error either to be fair.

Chesney is more adjusted to the league at the moment which is to be expected. De Gea needs time but is much more proven.
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Not really the best time to compare them given Chesney has started the season well and despite his brief time has convinced me that Arsenal have far bigger problems than who stands in front of the net.

Still a twat though
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Didn't he give away a penalty against Spurs? I don't think that was a clear error either to be fair.

Chesney is more adjusted to the league at the moment which is to be expected. De Gea needs time but is much more proven.
and also got MOTM from Arsenal fans for this game. Clutching at Straws and that
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Didn't he give away a penalty against Spurs? I don't think that was a clear error either to be fair.

Chesney is more adjusted to the league at the moment which is to be expected. De Gea needs time but is much more proven.
Yup. Suicidal charge off his line. Easily as culpable as DDG was for City's second.
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For the 983rd time - that was 99% Koscielny's fault.
Bang on, I wouldnt feel safe seeing him in the starting line up, he looks like hes got similar mistakes in him all the time. Didnt rate him on last seasons showing
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At this very moment Szczęsny, apart from the Carling Cup final the only gaff you can throw at him was taking out Lennon in the 3-3. He also seems to have a real presence about him in goal.

Who knows what the season will bring for the two though....
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From what I have seen I rate Szczesny more. He has more of a presence.
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At this very moment Szczęsny, apart from the Carling Cup final the only gaff you can throw at him was taking out Lennon in the 3-3. He also seems to have a real presence about him in goal.

Who knows what the season will bring for the two though....
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From what I have seen I rate Szczesny more. He has more of a presence.
Presence.
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So to sum up, I rate the MUCH more successful keeper as being better in all categories.
So basically, you can rate a keeper by looking up his 'honours' chart on wikipedia.

Retarded argument.
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Both not seen enough to judge. I'll wait until end of the season.
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So basically, you can rate a keeper by looking up his 'honours' chart on wikipedia.

Retarded argument.
Yep, that's why we dont rate Gerrard.
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Szczezny also should have conceded a penalty and been sent off within the first few minutes of that CC final IIRC. Other than that though I can't remember many errors.
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De Gea wins in the "I'm not a cunt" category too.
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For the 983rd time - that was 99% Koscielny's fault.
The keeper should go through the defender in the scenario, he backed off. If he haft made his mistake Kos wouldn't have had the chance to make one.
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The keeper should go through the defender in the scenario, he backed off. If he haft made his mistake Kos wouldn't have had the chance to make one.
That's one the most stupid things I've read about the incident. You dive into your own player taking both of you out of the game and probably making sure neither get the ball? Way to go.

Why not try the alternative analysis that suggests Koscielny can do one of two things a) pay attention to his keeper's call and let the ball go; or b) kick it into row Z.
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That's one the most stupid things I've read about the incident. You dive into your own player taking both of you out of the game and probably making sure neither get the ball? Way to go.

Why not try the alternative analysis that suggests Koscielny can do one of two things a) pay attention to his keeper's call and let the ball go; or b) kick it into row Z.
What does he lose by clutching the ball and going through the defender? He ball doesn't go in the goal and at worst you lose an error prone defender for extra time.
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The keeper should go through the defender in the scenario, he backed off. If he haft made his mistake Kos wouldn't have had the chance to make one.
That's what I've been saying, I can completely envisage Schmeichel would have done just that.
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Wow

Another Vrs thread

These really are flavour of the month

Surely it's stupid to make comparisons when de gea has played 2 games
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Wow

Another Vrs thread

These really are flavour of the month

Surely it's stupid to make comparisons when de gea has played 2 games
It is indeed stupid to make comparisons when one has already won many trophies.
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