Dragan Stojkovic - The superstar Britain never knew...

vuc · 7th February 2010, 14:42

Such a shame he was marred with injuries at Marseille because he had the ability to be one of the all time greats.

MelvinYeo · 7th February 2010, 14:48

When I see his name I automatically think of this:

vuc · 7th February 2010, 14:50

Once a genius always a genius.

I don't know many players playing today who could pull that off in shoes.

Woodzy · 7th February 2010, 14:54

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Originally Posted by MelvinYeo

When I see his name I automatically think of this:

I wonder if they call that show Third Eye.

Or just Japs Eye.

kouroux · 7th February 2010, 15:09

I didn't watch a lot of matches but he struck as an outstandingly intelligent player.Not the most flashy but he was a maestro on the pitch

vuc · 7th February 2010, 20:47

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Originally Posted by kouroux

I didn't watch a lot of matches but he struck as an outstandingly intelligent player.Not the most flashy but he was a maestro on the pitch

The best of both worlds. A playmaking genius with the ability to dribble around his man like nothing.

duffer · 7th February 2010, 20:59

I remember him from when I was really young more because his name is close to Dragon which I thought was cool.

Why did he play in Japan for so long? Was he injured and trying to earn some good money playing in a not so good league? Always thought it was strange he never made it in a top league.

vuc · 7th February 2010, 21:09

Injuries man, his knee was wrecked.

Such a shame, I only remember him briefly as a kid but my older cousins would rave on and on about him. I've tried to watch as much footage (highlights, full games etc) as I can of him and thanks to a certain Japanese guy on youtube he has put together some real brilliant compilations.

Plechazunga · 7th February 2010, 21:13

I can't stop watching that shot from the touchline. The flight of the ball has a perfection about it.

Cheeky little cnut, though, wasn't he? Standing on the goal-line, waiting for the defenders before tapping it in... most of us grow out of that when we're eight.

BAMSOLA · 7th February 2010, 21:27

If Ljajic turns out like this guy I'll kill myself.

EZee · 7th February 2010, 21:29

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Originally Posted by vuc

Such a shame he was marred with injuries at Marseille because he had the ability to be one of the all time greats.

great video...

never really happend for him at marseillies though did it...

I know the fans voted waddle and papin ahead of him in their poll of best players...

and he cant have endered himself to marseilles fans when he refused to take a pen against a former club

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n the finals of the UEFA Champion's Cup, Marseille played against Stojkovic's former team Red Star. Stojkovic, a penalty kick specialist, entered the game late as a substitute but refused to shoot against his former team.

in the end he only played something like 30 games for marseillies in the 4 seasons they had him... great highlight vid tho

vuc · 7th February 2010, 21:37

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Originally Posted by Plechazunga

I can't stop watching that shot from the touchline. The flight of the ball has a perfection about it.

Cheeky little cnut, though, wasn't he? Standing on the goal-line, waiting for the defenders before tapping it in... most of us grow out of that when we're eight.

Man the ball was in the air for 4 seconds. It is honestly ridiculous. It reminds me of that Pepsi max advert where someone lobs the ball half way across to Beckham on the beach.

Well it was just too easy for him in Japan, theres a good clip of him going one on one with the keeper and dummying him to the ground not once, but twice.

vuc · 7th February 2010, 21:37

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Originally Posted by BAMSOLA

If Ljajic turns out like this guy I'll kill myself.

He won't, if he turns out half as good though he will be a great player.

vuc · 7th February 2010, 21:42

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Originally Posted by EZee

great video...

never really happend for him at marseillies though did it...

Yeh, injuries. He played 29 games in 4 seasons.

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I know the fans voted waddle and papin ahead of him in their poll of best players...

Was a better player than either of them. Waddle scored 22 in 107, Stojkovic bagged 11 in 29. Like I said injuries prevented him.

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and he cant have endered himself to marseilles fans when he refused to take a pen against a former club

The love a player has for his club. Fuck professionalism this is pure passion. Stankovic and Mihajlovic didn't play against Red Star for Lazio in the UEFA Cup years ago either.

davisjw · 7th February 2010, 22:07

Doesn't hurt to do 3/4s of those tricks against Japanese opponents... Intelligent, yes, but let's not over due the praise of tricks done in the 4th tier league.

EZee · 7th February 2010, 22:15

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Originally Posted by vuc

The love a player has for his club. Fuck professionalism this is pure passion. Stankovic and Mihajlovic didn't play against Red Star for Lazio in the UEFA Cup years ago either.

the season after he did that though they loaned him out didnt they...

you know if you are going to play then its a bit rude to say you wont score against them...

class marseilles side at the time though... barthez, boli, deschamps, papin, pele waddle... desallies as well???

vuc · 7th February 2010, 22:20

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Originally Posted by EZee

the season after he did that though they loaned him out didnt they...

you know if you are going to play then its a bit rude to say you wont score against them...

class marseilles side at the time though... barthez, boli, deschamps, papin, pele waddle... desallies as well???

Yeh to Verona, where he also had injuries.

Well put it like this, if Beckham plays for AC against United and the match goes to pens, would you want him to refuse the pen?

Yeh it was an amazing side and Stojkovic was not out of his depth at all which says a lot about his level.

EZee · 7th February 2010, 22:31

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Originally Posted by vuc

Yeh to Verona, where he also had injuries.

Well put it like this, if Beckham plays for AC against United and the match goes to pens, would you want him to refuse the pen?

Yeh it was an amazing side and Stojkovic was not out of his depth at all which says a lot about his level.

well im sure milan fans and those who pay his wages would expect him to do his job... Im sure marseillies fans felt the same

vuc · 7th February 2010, 22:33

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Originally Posted by EZee

well im sure milan fans and those who pay his wages would expect him to do his job... Im sure marseillies fans felt the same

I know what they would want, I was asking you what you would want?

EZee · 7th February 2010, 22:35

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Originally Posted by vuc

I know what they would want, I was asking you what you would want?

id want him to take the penalty and id want our keeper to save it... and then fergie to kick a boot in delight and show us how he gave him a black eye...

and if you can see how it must of annoyed the marseilles fans you can see how it wouldnt have endeered him to them... and if i recall at the time people were saying it was one of the reasons they had sent him out on loan

vuc · 7th February 2010, 22:38

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Originally Posted by EZee

id want him to take the penalty and id want our keeper to save it... and then fergie to kick a boot in delight and show us how he gave him a black eye...

and if you can see how it must of annoyed the marseilles fans you can see how it wouldnt have endeered him to them... and if i recall at the time people were saying it was one of the reasons they had sent him out on loan

Of course I can see why that wouldn't have endeered him to them, its fairly obvious. I'm saying as a Red Star fan that he is a legend for not taking it. Get my meaning?

vuc · 7th February 2010, 22:43

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Originally Posted by davisjw

Doesn't hurt to do 3/4s of those tricks against Japanese opponents... Intelligent, yes, but let's not over due the praise of tricks done in the 4th tier league.

Your right.

Thats Ruud Gullitt being done.

Watch the run on 3:40

Name Changed · 7th February 2010, 22:50

He was one of my favourite players when I was a youngfella. He was quality.

Suedesi · 7th February 2010, 22:51

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Originally Posted by vuc

Such a shame he was marred with injuries at Marseille because he had the ability to be one of the all time greats.

He should have played in Italy - Serie A was la creme de la creme in those days. Unlucky with his timing too, Crvena Zvezda won the CL against Marseille the yr he made the switch (I believe).

More talented than Savicevic for example who achieved legendary status with AC Milan.

EZee · 7th February 2010, 22:51

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Originally Posted by vuc

Of course I can see why that wouldn't have endeered him to them, its fairly obvious. I'm saying as a Red Star fan that he is a legend for not taking it. Get my meaning?

oh yeah... i get you...

but for a player with that much talent to have won

Honours

* UEFA Champions League: 1993
* Yugoslav League MVP: 1988, 1989
* J. League MVP: 1995
* J. League Best Eleven: 1995, 1996, 1999
* Japanese Footballer of the Year: 1995

in his career and the cl he didnt play in the final well it seems a bit of a waste and i just wonder if he hadnt done that if he might not have stayed at marseilles the next season and gone on to have become a much bigger star

Name Changed · 7th February 2010, 22:52

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Originally Posted by MelvinYeo

When I see his name I automatically think of this:

Class!

Red Pavan · 7th February 2010, 22:53

So, basically he was a bit of a Zidane without the baldness and not being French and just below Zizou's level.

P.S Vuc, don't use the word injures please. You overused it

EZee · 7th February 2010, 22:53

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Originally Posted by Suedesi

He should have played in Italy - Serie A was la creme de la creme in those days. Unlucky with his timing too, Crvena Zvezda won the CL against Marseille the yr he made the switch (I believe).

More talented than Savicevic for example who achieved legendary status with AC Milan.

he did... he played there in 91-92 played 19 games and got 1 goal

vuc · 7th February 2010, 22:55

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Originally Posted by Suedesi

He should have played in Italy - Serie A was la creme de la creme in those days. Unlucky with his timing too, Crvena Zvezda won the CL against Marseille the yr he made the switch (I believe).

More talented than Savicevic for example who achieved legendary status with AC Milan.

Milan wanted to buy him after he wrecked them in the CL in 88/89. He couldn't move because of the transfer restrictions in place for Yugoslavia.

He had the most talent out of Savicevic, Boban and Prosinecki - and that is saying something.

Red Pavan · 7th February 2010, 22:56

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Originally Posted by vuc

Your right.

Thats Ruud Gullitt being done.

Watch the run on 3:40

tbf, Rooney's run against Roma was better and Ronaldo/Messi do it on quite a regular basis.

vuc · 7th February 2010, 22:56

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Originally Posted by Red Pavan

So, basically he was a bit of a Zidane without the baldness and not being French and just below Zizou's level.

P.S Vuc, don't use the word injures please. You overused it

Ok I will refrain.

vuc · 7th February 2010, 22:58

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Originally Posted by Red Pavan

tbf, Rooney's run against Roma was better and Ronaldo/Messi do it on quite a regular basis.

I don't think Rooney's was better, his was much more to do with strength than ball control IMO. This was just one example in one game, there are many examples of him turning and running at players.

Yes thats to be expected from wingers right? The fact that Stojkovic was an orchestrator primarily but able to run like a winger should show how complete a player he was.

Red Pavan · 7th February 2010, 23:02

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Originally Posted by vuc

I don't think Rooney's was better, his was much more to do with strength than ball control IMO. This was just one example in one game, there are many examples of him turning and running at players.

Yes thats to be expected from wingers right? The fact that Stojkovic was an orchestrator primarily but able to run like a winger should show how complete a player he was.

How do you compare him to Zidane's ability?

vuc · 7th February 2010, 23:12

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Originally Posted by Red Pavan

How do you compare him to Zidane's ability?

Stojkovic played against Maradona at Italia 90 and was not made to look inferior by him - so lets just say Stojkovic was able to hold his own against the very best of players.

As for the question in hand, I believe that Zidane fulfilled his abilities whereas Stojkovic did not quite (due to the word we won't say). Zidane went to top leagues and did it on the highest levels. He dictated his teams play brilliantly and could do everything - but so could Stojkovic. So ability wise I wouldn't say Stojkovic was inferior or that much inferior.

Zidane made the game look easier than anyone IMO. True flair and art on the ball.

Raees · 8th February 2010, 02:13

was he really better than Savicevic? that guy was phenomenal.

vuc · 8th February 2010, 10:52

Yes because he could do everything. Dictate play with any pass with both feet, his set pieces were brilliant and he could dribble (though Savicevic was probably better in this department) like a winger. Savicevic was probably a more deadly finisher.

savais · 8th February 2010, 13:56

stojkovic was my favourite player when I was a kid. He was absolutely brilliant. That Yugoslavia team would have been fantastic in 92.

vuc · 8th February 2010, 14:54

Would have been fantastic in 92 and 94. Still though even in 98 Stojkovic was flawless, look at this:

And 2000 against Norway.

savais · 8th February 2010, 15:11

nice! I think he had the playmaking ability and composure of fabregas mixed with the dribbling ability of Messi. I know I'm going to get crucified on here, but boy oh boy was he ever a joy to watch. shame he never had the chance to go on and fulfil his potential.

vuc · 8th February 2010, 15:34

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Originally Posted by savais

nice! I think he had the playmaking ability and composure of fabregas mixed with the dribbling ability of Messi. I know I'm going to get crucified on here, but boy oh boy was he ever a joy to watch. shame he never had the chance to go on and fulfil his potential.

Why Fabregas?

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7th February 2010, 14:48	#2 (permalink)
MelvinYeo I'm only here for the post count Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 14,859	When I see his name I automatically think of this:

7th February 2010, 14:50	#3 (permalink)
vuc First Team Sub Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Северна Страна Posts: 8,579	Once a genius always a genius. I don't know many players playing today who could pull that off in shoes.

7th February 2010, 15:09	#5 (permalink)
kouroux First Team Regular Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Djibouti (La terre des braves) Posts: 23,810	I didn't watch a lot of matches but he struck as an outstandingly intelligent player.Not the most flashy but he was a maestro on the pitch

7th February 2010, 20:59	#7 (permalink)
duffer First Team Sub Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Chelsea fan. Posts: 7,050	I remember him from when I was really young more because his name is close to Dragon which I thought was cool. Why did he play in Japan for so long? Was he injured and trying to earn some good money playing in a not so good league? Always thought it was strange he never made it in a top league.

7th February 2010, 21:09	#8 (permalink)
vuc First Team Sub Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Северна Страна Posts: 8,579	Injuries man, his knee was wrecked. Such a shame, I only remember him briefly as a kid but my older cousins would rave on and on about him. I've tried to watch as much footage (highlights, full games etc) as I can of him and thanks to a certain Japanese guy on youtube he has put together some real brilliant compilations.

7th February 2010, 21:13	#9 (permalink)
Plechazunga Phones, soup, paint, chairs and computers are troubling. Join Date: May 2003 Location: Where Albert Stubbins scored a diving header Posts: 47,216	I can't stop watching that shot from the touchline. The flight of the ball has a perfection about it. Cheeky little cnut, though, wasn't he? Standing on the goal-line, waiting for the defenders before tapping it in... most of us grow out of that when we're eight.

7th February 2010, 21:27	#10 (permalink)
BAMSOLA Has issues! Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: open for business in your neighborhood, The blues is my business, and business is good. Posts: 7,259	If Ljajic turns out like this guy I'll kill myself.

7th February 2010, 22:07	#15 (permalink)
davisjw Reserve Team Player Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 4,507	Doesn't hurt to do 3/4s of those tricks against Japanese opponents... Intelligent, yes, but let's not over due the praise of tricks done in the 4th tier league.

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Name Changed weso26 Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Dublin Posts: 20,295	He was one of my favourite players when I was a youngfella. He was quality.

7th February 2010, 22:53	#27 (permalink)
Red Pavan shittest username ever manutddabest791 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: UK - Ronaldo's House. Posts: 10,670	So, basically he was a bit of a Zidane without the baldness and not being French and just below Zizou's level. P.S Vuc, don't use the word injures please. You overused it

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Raees Banned Join Date: May 2009 Location: Against criticism a man can neither protest nor defend himself; he must act in spite of it, and then it will gradually yield to him. Posts: 9,713	was he really better than Savicevic? that guy was phenomenal.

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vuc First Team Sub Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Северна Страна Posts: 8,579	Yes because he could do everything. Dictate play with any pass with both feet, his set pieces were brilliant and he could dribble (though Savicevic was probably better in this department) like a winger. Savicevic was probably a more deadly finisher.

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savais Reserve Team Player Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Dubai Posts: 1,245	stojkovic was my favourite player when I was a kid. He was absolutely brilliant. That Yugoslavia team would have been fantastic in 92.

8th February 2010, 14:54	#38 (permalink)
vuc First Team Sub Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Северна Страна Posts: 8,579	Would have been fantastic in 92 and 94. Still though even in 98 Stojkovic was flawless, look at this: And 2000 against Norway.

8th February 2010, 15:11	#39 (permalink)
savais Reserve Team Player Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Dubai Posts: 1,245	nice! I think he had the playmaking ability and composure of fabregas mixed with the dribbling ability of Messi. I know I'm going to get crucified on here, but boy oh boy was he ever a joy to watch. shame he never had the chance to go on and fulfil his potential.