England - So much for change...

Sam#1 · 26th March 2008, 21:23

I thought we were going to get players picked on performances and good form ? It doesn't matter how big a name you are, you will play if you are in form, this excited me, I thought, at last, a manager who will reward players for playing well, and not for having a big name.

Then, what do we get....

Beckham
Terry
Hargreaves
Downing
Owen
Crouch
Walcott

What have any of these done in the last few months to earn a place in the England squad, let alone a start ?

All this while players like Green, Woodgate, Young, Agbonlahor, Bentley, Carrick, Defoe etc are either left on the bench or not even in the squad!

It's already plainly obvious that not much will change, and that we'll get the same players, the same team, the same results.

No, I don't expect us to win the World Cup, to be honest, I don't even expect us to beat France, we simply aren't good enough. But, I do expect players to be selected on form, not name. Yet, after just two games, it seems that won't happen. To be honest, Terry will probably even keep the captaincy.

Eyepopper · 26th March 2008, 21:28

"Dont even expect us to beat France..." eh? Away from home? Second match under a new management team? You dont expect much do you?

Scholesy · 26th March 2008, 21:30

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Originally Posted by Eyepopper

"Dont even expect us to beat France..." eh? Away from home? Second match under a new management team? You dont expect much do you?

Exactly, I think Sam#1 has just revealed the problem already through his own thread. Way too much pressure and too much criticism.

Sam#1 · 26th March 2008, 21:31

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Originally Posted by Eyepopper

"Dont even expect us to beat France..." eh? Away from home? Second match under a new management team? You dont expect much do you?

What ?

I said I don't expect us to beat France. I probably wouldn't expect to beat them if Capello had been in charge 5 years, our players aren't good enough.

Count Duckula · 26th March 2008, 21:31

You couldn't just keep this to the match thread?

FlawlessThaw · 26th March 2008, 21:31

Parts of Sam's argument I agree with. I expected Capello to be slightly less conservative than he has been.

Sam#1 · 26th March 2008, 21:32

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Originally Posted by Scholesy

Exactly, I think Sam#1 has just revealed the problem already through his own thread. Way too much pressure and too much criticism.

FFS, either understand the thread properly, or don't post.

I don't expect us to win World Cups or beat teams like France, I do however, expect players to be selected on current form, like we were told would happen, not because they have a big name or have played for England before.

However, even after 2 matches, it's already apparent that that won't happen.

Eyepopper · 26th March 2008, 21:33

England fans =

Scholesy · 26th March 2008, 21:34

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Originally Posted by Sam#1

FFS, either understand the thread properly, or don't post.

I don't expect us to win World Cups or beat teams like France, I do however, expect players to be selected on current form, like we were told would happen, not because they have a big name or have played for England before.

However, even after 2 matches, it's already apparent that that won't happen.

Bentley, Johnson, Downing, Owen are on form.

Sam#1 · 26th March 2008, 21:35

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Originally Posted by Scholesy

Bentley, Johnson, Downing, Owen are on form.

Bentley on the bench, Johnson on the bench.

Owen and Downing in form ?

Sam#1 · 26th March 2008, 21:36

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Originally Posted by Eyepopper

England fans =

Sorry, is it so wrong of me to expect players that have been playing brilliantly, for example, Green, Carrick, Defoe and Young, to be selected and play for England, ahead of players that have done fuck all recently, for example, Beckham, Hargreaves, Terry, Crouch ?

Scholesy · 26th March 2008, 21:37

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Originally Posted by Sam#1

Bentley on the bench, Johnson on the bench.

Owen and Downing in form ?

Owen has scored in his last two games, and Downing has been playing well for Boro.

Eyepopper · 26th March 2008, 21:39

I'd wait til you're further than a match and half into his term before you start throwing your toys out of the pram...

Sam#1 · 26th March 2008, 21:40

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Originally Posted by Scholesy

Owen has scored in his last two games, and Downing has been playing well for Boro.

Owen has been shit, ok, he's scored 2 goals, but Defoe has 6 in 3, while Young and Agbonlahor have been terrific all damn season, do they get a look in ? No, of course not. Because he is Michael Owen, he plays. Christ, Kitson is the leading English scorer this season and he plays for Reading, will he get a chance ? Of course not.

Downing has done nothing to deserve and England call up.

FlawlessThaw · 26th March 2008, 21:42

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Originally Posted by Sam#1

Owen has been shit, ok, he's scored 2 goals, but Defoe has 6 in 3, while Young and Agbonlahor have been terrific all damn season, do they get a look in ? No, of course not. Because he is Michael Owen, he plays. Christ, Kitson is the leading English scorer this season and he plays for Reading, will he get a chance ? Of course not.

Downing has done nothing to deserve and England call up.

I was hoping Kitson would get some kind of a chance. He deserves it on paper. As for Agbonlahor, did you know he hasn't scored at all in 2008. Don't think he is a striker but I wouldn't mind seeing a front three of Agbonlahor - Rooney - Young playing.

Scholesy · 26th March 2008, 21:42

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Originally Posted by Sam#1

Owen has been shit, ok, he's scored 2 goals, but Defoe has 6 in 3, while Young and Agbonlahor have been terrific all damn season, do they get a look in ? No, of course not. Because he is Michael Owen, he plays. Christ, Kitson is the leading English scorer this season and he plays for Reading, will he get a chance ? Of course not.

Downing has done nothing to deserve and England call up.

So you would rather have Kitson than Owen. Ok then.

paddyf091 · 26th March 2008, 21:42

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Originally Posted by Sam#1

Then, what do we get....

Beckham
Terry
Hargreaves
Downing
Owen
Crouch
Walcott

What have any of these done in the last few months to earn a start for England ?

Four of the 7 'should not be starting' players didn't start.

Sam#1 · 26th March 2008, 21:43

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Originally Posted by Scholesy

So you would rather have Kitson than Owen. Ok then.

Yes. He has earned it. Owen has not.

FlawlessThaw · 26th March 2008, 21:43

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Originally Posted by Scholesy

So you would rather have Kitson than Owen. Ok then.

I'd rather have Kitson than Owen. Would be a better option up front.

Sam#1 · 26th March 2008, 21:44

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Originally Posted by paddyf091

Four of the 7 'should not be starting' players didn't start.

In the squad, have come on (Well Walcott hasn't, but why the fuck is he in the squad ahead of Young, Agbonlahor, Defoe.....?)

Scholesy · 26th March 2008, 21:46

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Originally Posted by Sam#1

Yes. He has earned it. Owen has not.

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Originally Posted by FlawlessThaw

I'd rather have Kitson than Owen. Would be a better option up front.

Kitson isnt even getting his game for Reading.

Sam#1 · 26th March 2008, 21:48

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Originally Posted by Scholesy

Kitson isnt even getting his game for Reading.

Errrm, yes he is.

And he's also the leading English scorer this season. That's despite playing for Reading and being Ginger.

pert · 26th March 2008, 21:51

Time to stop supporting England.

Shit team, shit manager, shit fans.

Scholesy · 26th March 2008, 21:52

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Originally Posted by Sam#1

Errrm, yes he is.

And he's also the leading English scorer this season. That's despite playing for Reading and being Ginger.

Hes started 1 out of their last 4

Sam#1 · 26th March 2008, 21:55

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Originally Posted by Scholesy

Hes started 1 out of their last 4

He's been a regular starter all season when fit, then Coppell shuffled the pack and played Long vs City. He was shit, but scored, so kept his place (it's part of Coppell's stupid philosophy). He then played the next 2 matches and did fuck all. As a result, he was dropped and Kitson is now back in the team.

Trust me, when it comes to Reading, I know what I'm talking about.

Scholesy · 26th March 2008, 21:57

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sam#1

He's been a regular starter all season when fit, then Coppell shuffled the pack and played Long vs City. He was shit, but scored, so kept his place (it's part of Coppell's stupid philosophy). He then played the next 2 matches and did fuck all. As a result, he was dropped and Kitson is now back in the team.

Trust me, when it comes to Reading, I know what I'm talking about.

. Ok, I believe you, Mr Reading.

Lizard King · 26th March 2008, 21:57

England can kiss my gooch

Raven_Blade · 26th March 2008, 21:59

That was a disappointing result. England should have performed better than that. Possession play has definitely improved but at the expense of a cutting edge. Personally there needs to be more energy put back into the game again.

RedKaos · 26th March 2008, 22:01

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Originally Posted by pert

Time to stop supporting England.

Shit team, shit manager, shit fans.

For an Irishman, its taken you a fair bit of time to realise that.

Nick 0208 Ldn · 26th March 2008, 22:05

We're two friendles in to the Capello era, have a little patience.

I'd reserve judgement till after we begin 2010 qualifying.

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Sam#1 First Team Regular Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Tevez, Rooney, Ronaldo >>> Anyone. And yes, I still love Jamie Lynn Spears. Posts: 12,322	England - So much for change... I thought we were going to get players picked on performances and good form ? It doesn't matter how big a name you are, you will play if you are in form, this excited me, I thought, at last, a manager who will reward players for playing well, and not for having a big name. Then, what do we get.... Beckham Terry Hargreaves Downing Owen Crouch Walcott What have any of these done in the last few months to earn a place in the England squad, let alone a start ? All this while players like Green, Woodgate, Young, Agbonlahor, Bentley, Carrick, Defoe etc are either left on the bench or not even in the squad! It's already plainly obvious that not much will change, and that we'll get the same players, the same team, the same results. No, I don't expect us to win the World Cup, to be honest, I don't even expect us to beat France, we simply aren't good enough. But, I do expect players to be selected on form, not name. Yet, after just two games, it seems that won't happen. To be honest, Terry will probably even keep the captaincy.

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Eyepopper First Team Sub Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Lowering the Tone since 2006 Posts: 9,851	"Dont even expect us to beat France..." eh? Away from home? Second match under a new management team? You dont expect much do you?

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Count Duckula Reserve Team Player Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: I've changed my mind again. I'm a gibbering grey glob of indecision on the matter of Ronaldo and so I'll sit in my corner and swirl like an ambivalent apparition. Posts: 4,881	You couldn't just keep this to the match thread?

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FlawlessThaw most 'know it all' poster Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: London Posts: 8,314	Parts of Sam's argument I agree with. I expected Capello to be slightly less conservative than he has been.

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Eyepopper First Team Sub Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Lowering the Tone since 2006 Posts: 9,851	England fans =

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Eyepopper First Team Sub Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Lowering the Tone since 2006 Posts: 9,851	I'd wait til you're further than a match and half into his term before you start throwing your toys out of the pram...

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pert Banned Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 12,167	Time to stop supporting England. Shit team, shit manager, shit fans.

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Lizard King Join Date: May 2007 Location: Anderson's hair Posts: 11,321	England can kiss my gooch

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Raven_Blade Attention Whoring Common Crow Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Ronaldo Thread. Posts: 13,847	That was a disappointing result. England should have performed better than that. Possession play has definitely improved but at the expense of a cutting edge. Personally there needs to be more energy put back into the game again.

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Nick 0208 Ldn First Team Sub Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Britannia ~ For a more enlightened view of the world, listen to the BBC World Service, see http://www.bbcworldservice.com Posts: 5,743	We're two friendles in to the Capello era, have a little patience. I'd reserve judgement till after we begin 2010 qualifying.