Fabio Capello

cw1984

I just hope the next manager recognises the young talent we have.

We could put together a team of really nice footballers. If we go for someone who's gunna revert to type and pick a big man up front surrounded by a team of hard workers I'm gunna be pissed.

kouroux

I still don't understand why the English FA went for an italian to take the reign.I mean it's not as if England is a country in need of foreign expertise, the english coaches aren't as good as the italians obviously but surely you'd want to have someone who understands the country a bit more.
Capello has been a great club coach in general but this England stint gives a bad image of his skills

Brophs

Capello's been pretty rubbish for England. I think it's a safe bet that 'Arry, even though he's obviously nowhere near as good a manager, will be able to get more out of that side.

adexkola

It's just a minor blemish. The English manager job has been a poisoned chalice for anyone, I don't think this will impact his chances of getting a job elsewhere.

SharkyMcShark

Give it to Redknapp as soon as possible - that would be a massive laugh.

adexkola

Italian football was still strong back in 2006 (before Calciopoli), they weren't favorites to win it, but I don't recall them being underdogs in any matchup.

noodlehair

He qualified for the Euros unbeaten, from a group where the second best side was Montenegro...a team who considered drawing at home to England to be the greatest achievement in their footballing history. That's like claiming you're the world's fastest man because you outran a one legged hippo that wasn't actually chasing you.

Do you think Capello did a good job at the last world cup? Please explain how, for the benefit of those less fortunate visionaries among us who think he made an embarassing balls up of the whole thing.

Please also explain how correctly he has handled the captain situation...or how thoroughly professional and not utterly incompetent his treatment of Rio Ferdinand was during the saga.

I mean presumably you do think for yourself?

Cheesy

I think they went for an Italian because they wanted an experience, stern manager who wouldn't be afraid to mess with any of the prima donnas in the England squad, of which there are plenty.

One of the main problems during the McClaren reign is that the manager seemed to have an overly close relationship with the players. He treated most of them like his mates at times. That didn't work, so I think that the FA decided that they had to go down the opposite route.

I actually do feel sorry for Capello to an extent. He hasn't actually done an overly poor job. The last 16 isn't too bad for the English side, and the fans have just done a complete u-turn on him. Before when he made a controversial decision, people praised him for his harsh, no nonsense attitude. Now, whenever he does something similar, the fans slate him and accuse him of making the wrong choice. He's in a no win situation right now.

Lance Uppercut

Yes, he did. He also qualified for the previous WC. Make a note of it for future reference when you are calling one of the most successful managers in world football "incompetent."

If you possessed even the vision to read this thread, you wouldn't need to ask that question.

Who gives a flying fuck about the 'captain situation?' As Gary Neville himself said, the armband is purely symbolic. The only "people" who care about it are dickhead journalists.

As opposed to you, who thinks he knows better than SAF and Fabio Capello?

Stick to your "hilarious" match ratings. If I'm feeling generous I might toss you a "" or a "good one, Noodle!" Or, alternatively, you could flounce off like a little girl again.

Red Dreams

Hi Lance

Lance Uppercut

peterstorey

Capello's taking the piss (and the money) - he hasn't even been arsed to polish his pidgin English in four years.

noodlehair

He qualified, you say? That's incredible.

I can't remember the last England manager who did that...oh wait, it was the well renouned and generally considered incompetent Sven, who actually managed to get England to three quarter finals in a row, losing two of the on penalties. Though apparently this pales in comparison to the mighty Capello's ability to narrowly beat Slovenia and then only lose 4-1 in the second round.

No no no. This is not an answer. If you're going to be all billy big guns about people pointing out what a poor job Capello did at the last world cup, lets hear why you think he actually did a good one.


Where as Fabio Capello himself considers it so unimportant he felt the need to voice his outrage about it to said dickhead journalists, and is now in a meeting about it that might end up costing him his job. Rio didn't give a flying fuck either did he?

and Gary Neville himself? Since when did Gary Neville become chief proprietor of the England Captain's armband and all issues relating to it? He was merely pointing out that leaders lead on the pitch regardless, which is a side issue.

Do you and Randall share the same brain? If so it might explain a few things, as I imagine it works similar to glueing two people's legs together.

rcoobc

Would be so funny if he goes.

But the FA, showing backbone?

Lance Uppercut

You are good at this strawman thing. I never said anything of the sort. By all means continue to make things up, though.


You consider Sven incompetent, too? Just what the fuck do you expect from the England team? Is it your massive track record of success at international level which gives you this obnoxious feeling of entitlement? What gives you the right to be successful?



I've already spoken about it. If you can't be bothered to look back a whole page, you can go fuck yourself.


Outrage? He said he disagreed with it. Panic stations!

Rio:

Rio Ferdinand rules himself out of England captaincy to concentrate on Manchester United career - Telegraph

Get this guy on suicide watch.

You know better than Gary Neville, too? Is there no end to your talents?


I am starting to suspect that you don't actually possess a brain. Can you do me a favour and hand in your modship so I can put you on ignore? The sheer tide of stupidity that gushes from you is breathtaking.

gza the genius

My main problem with Capello is that he has chosen the exact same players all of the other England mangers have chosen for the last 6 years or so. You'd think one of them would realize something isn't working. I can't really imagine Capello doing anything different at the Euros either. It'll still be Gerrard Terry Lampard Barry Bent Lescott etc playing while plenty of very talented youngsters don't get a chance. They may not achieve anything great but at least it will be a preparation for the future, the above players haven't cut it yet internationally and need to go at some point anyway.

Lance Uppercut

Or perhaps they all realised that the alternatives were worse?

cw1984

^^ Yup.

Who should he have taken to the World Cup that would have made such a difference?

I actually expect a few surprises in the squad this time though. The shackles are off for Capello. He doesn't have to play it safe. He's not playing for a new contract afterall.

rcoobc

Carrick, Young, Sturridge vs Heskey, and co.

I mean Heskey bashing is all to easy, but I'd rather have Crouch every day of the week.

Then there is Lescott, Cahill, Baines, Jagielka, Agbonlahor, Welbeck etc.

adexkola

None of those players would have made any difference.

rcoobc

They really really, and I can't stress this enough, really really really really really

would have.

Oh, and fucking Walcott!

rcoobc

Just to remind everyone of the team vs Germany:


Subs:

Joe Cole for Milner 64'
Heskey for Defoe 71'
Wright-Phillips for Johnson 87'

What a team. It blows my mind.

cw1984

No they wouldn't.

You've got to remember this was 18 months ago too. Welbeck wasn't even close to being ready to go to a major tournament.

You could argue Carrick instead of Barry but other than that it's all a bit... meh.

cw1984

I'm not saying I agreed with that selection but what would your team have been if you'd have been able to pick your own squad?

And again bare in mind injuries at the time and the fact it was 18months ago...

Cheesy

They wouldn't have. Sturridge would've been useless back then. He's a far better footballer now. None of the rest of them would've done anything of note either.

Varun_Utd

He should have taken Young to the WC i believe. was surprised at the call back then. not much else to be argued over though. the english tend to overrate their national side a bit.

If he persists with johnson over richards or barry over carrick for the euros though, it'd be hilarious.

cw1984

Exactly. Back then it was 8 months PRIOR to his loan to Bolton.

cw1984

I'd have Walker over the pair of them.

Lance Uppercut

Richards over Johnson is an obvious one. I wouldn't say the same about Carrick over Barry, though. I'm trying to be neutral here.

rcoobc

It's hard because I know I will pick someone who is injured, but to put it simply:

Walcott, Lampard, Carrick, Milner
Rooney - Young

or

Walcott, Lampard, Carrick, Young
Rooney - Defoe

I know some of those players weren't ready for the England team back then by the way, I meant ones that should be breaking into the team now but aren't.

In defence, the Evertonian 3 should have been getting in there, and Richards of course.

noodlehair

Yes, you never said anything of the sort...except for in this thread where you've spent your whole time defending Capello, based on, in your own words, his ability to qualify for two consequetive tournaments.

I also said "generally considered incompetent" about Sven, which doesn't imply that I personally think he was incompetent...strawman argument?

Though he did go a bit mad around the time he decided Scholes was a left sided winger and started subbing Phil Neville and Heskey on with half hour to go in every single game, regardless of the situation or score.



No, how about you actually answer the question you haven't answered. I have asked why you think Capello didn't do a bad job at the last world cup. You have not explained why at any point in this thread. So far your answer is "go fuck yourself"

...well done, clevertits. You're managing to argue an opinion despite the fact you haven't even bothered to formulate one yet.




Nah, you're right. The captaincy issue is really unimportant...that's why it's created so much attention...because nobody cares.

THose Rio quotes are from a few days ago. Compared to at the time where he was upset enough to shun meeting Capello and there ended up being a bit of a media shit storm...but again, just pretend that didn't happen. It's easier than realising you're wrong.

Gary Neville himself

And no. Neville was saying that a leader doesn't need a poxy armband to lead. You've decided to take his comments into summing up the whole saga which has dragged on since the last world cup. It's not Gary Neville's fault that you don't understand what he means or what's going on.


An easier solution is if you piss off and stop responding to my posts with 12 year old insults when I'm not even talking to you?

rcoobc

I wouldn't be surprised if Capello leaves behind:

Sturridge, Young, Cleverley, Carrick, Welbeck, Jones, Lescott, Baines, Jagielka, and these are players who pretty much all should be going.

RedDevilCanuck

Do you think Uruguay and Ghana had good enough players to get to the semi finals of the World Cup?

England has the talent to at least challenge for trophies.

Team selection, tactics, lack of cohesion and pressure plague the England team. And a significant portion lies on the manager.

Aboutreika18

I think Richards has come on quite a lot since the season before the World Cup.

Take a look at this thread from back before the World Cup and see how many times he's mentioned: England World Cup Squad

cw1984

But your original argument seemed to be that he took the wrong players with him to SA. Our arguement was that whilst some are debatable, they're all pretty much the same.

Varun_Utd

Richards > Walker >>>> Johnson for me. Johnson shouldnt be anywhere near the 11.

So am i but carrick at the moment has to start ahead of barry for me. not really the case back then though because carrick wasnt really at his best. not the case anymore.

---------Barry------

-----Lampard---Gerrard----

Walcott/Milner-------------young

-----------Rooney-------

is how i'd have gone. made no sense for me to have gerrard on the left and young at home.

rcoobc

Not to mention if we had kept going against Slovenia, and got a second goal instead of shutting up shot, then we would have avoided Germany in the first place!

rcoobc

My argument was that Capello chooses a bad 23, and then a bad 11. Carrick should be regarded as one of Englands most important players right now, like he is with United.

Wrong year that, but if that is the case I am very surprised. Richards, Walcott and Lennon are players that the caf seems to love to hate, but I have always rated.

rcoobc

Ditto, except I can't be dealing with Gerrard any more, and I think I couldn't then. It seemed to me that the time for the Gerrard/Lampard experiment has gone by a long way. Just play Lampard with Carrick!

Honestly it's not hard, they are almost made to play with each other, they'd have complimented each other brilliantly!

cw1984

The 23 he chose was not a bad one. There could have been a few different here and there but I don't think it would have made much of a difference in the end.

As for Carrick... I'd have him over Barry also. It's no contest IMO. As it happens though I don't think either of them will be in the side in the Summer.