FIFA: No replay!

Inigo Montoya · 20th November 2009, 09:03

Fifa will not grant the Football Association of Ireland's request for a replay of France's World Cup play-off win over the Republic of Ireland.

The Republic were beaten 2-1 on aggregate after France won with a goal from captain Thierry Henry, who handled the ball in the build up.

A Fifa source said: "There is no way the game can be replayed.

"To do so would cause absolute chaos for football. Fifa's rules are absolutely clear."

The source continued: "Law 5 states that a referee's decision on points of fact is final. That is the end of it. You cannot replay the match on this basis."

Full story on; BBC Sport - Football - Fifa rejects Irish replay request

FranklyVulgar · 20th November 2009, 09:05

surprise surprise.

it was never going to happen. I suggest the irish get over it.

Trigg · 20th November 2009, 09:05

It was never going to happen, and I don't think it should've happened either.

Inigo Montoya · 20th November 2009, 09:08

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Originally Posted by Trippin_Stoned

It was never going to happen, and I don't think it should've happened either.

"should've"? It didn't

Trigg · 20th November 2009, 09:11

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Originally Posted by Inigo Montoya

"should've"? It didn't

I know it didn't. I don't think it should have happened either. As in the correct decision was made.

SER19 · 20th November 2009, 09:27

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Originally Posted by FranklyVulgar

surprise surprise.

it was never going to happen. I suggest the irish get over it.

i really hope youre not english

Trigg · 20th November 2009, 09:31

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Originally Posted by SER19

i really hope youre not english

Huh, why?

The Irish Supporters do need to get over it though. Incidents like this one happen up and down the country and around the world every weekend.

I'm not saying Henry isn't a cheating bastard, because he is. But I just don't see how a reply could be played based on that one moment in the 180 minutes of football that took place.

Kelvin · 20th November 2009, 09:38

maybe fifa should have the balls to admit that goal was illegal and totally a mockery....

Rahul · 20th November 2009, 09:39

Has Platini come out and said anything yet?

SER19 · 20th November 2009, 09:40

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Originally Posted by Trippin_Stoned

Huh, why?

The Irish Supporters do need to get over it though. Incidents like this one happen up and down the country and around the world every weekend.

I'm not saying Henry isn't a cheating bastard, because he is. But I just don't see how a reply could be played based on that one moment in the 180 minutes of football that took place.

because if he's from a nation that most football fans still piss and moan about a handball 23 years ago,that post is very rich. personally i never thought a replay was feasible,but wouldve had huge respect in football again if france had offered one.tight games like that are decided in moments

Trigg · 20th November 2009, 09:46

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Originally Posted by SER19

because if he's from a nation that most football fans still piss and moan about a handball 23 years ago,that post is very rich. personally i never thought a replay was feasible,but wouldve had huge respect in football again if france had offered one.tight games like that are decided in moments

I thought it might have something to do with the Maradona incident. That being said, I know plenty of people who don't bat an eyelid at that handball. He might be one of them.

As for this game, most games are decided by 'moments' which makes this game no different from any game before it that's had one of those moments. Thats the point I'm trying to make.

Ireland aren't the first, and won't be the last team to feel like they've been cheated out of a game.

Asking for FIFA for a replay, or wanting France to offer to replay the match are nothing more than a deluded pipe dream in my opinion.

Trigg · 20th November 2009, 09:46

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Originally Posted by Rahul

Has Platini come out and said anything yet?

Probably said it wasn't handball or something.

FranklyVulgar · 20th November 2009, 09:46

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Originally Posted by SER19

i really hope youre not english

nope, small teams go out on contraversial circumstances all the time.

Fact is if Robbie Keane had done it nobody would give a shit. That's football, you get away with it or you don't. Yes it was disgraceful of Henry, he's a cnut. But the over the top reaction is a bit bizarre.

Rahul · 20th November 2009, 09:49

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Originally Posted by Trippin_Stoned

Probably said it wasn't handball or something.

Its funny when theres controversy in English football. He's the first one to have a go.

When the blame lies on his own country, the cunt goes into hiding.

Typical.

Bread · 20th November 2009, 09:51

In terms of principle i'd like this game to be replayed because the irish have been basically forced out of the competition via fifa rules and cheating french men, but if it gets to a point then games are being replayed because of dodgy goals where would you draw the line? hell of a can of worms

FranklyVulgar · 20th November 2009, 09:52

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bread

In terms of principle i'd like this game to be replayed because the irish have been basically forced out of the competition via fifa rules and cheating french men, but if it gets to a point then games are being replayed because of dodgy goals where would you draw the line? hell of a can of worms

it's rediculous to think you can get a game replayed based on this. Really over the top.

Flying Fox · 20th November 2009, 10:00

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Originally Posted by Bread

In terms of principle i'd like this game to be replayed because the irish have been basically forced out of the competition via fifa rules and cheating french men, but if it gets to a point then games are being replayed because of dodgy goals where would you draw the line? hell of a can of worms

Yes, you lads went behind to an unfortunate goal, but even if a replay were to happen, who is to say Keane and co could have produced a winning result? You could have been hammered 3-0 or worse.

Bread · 20th November 2009, 10:13

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Originally Posted by Flying Fox

Yes, you lads went behind to an unfortunate goal, but even if a replay were to happen, who is to say Keane and co could have produced a winning result? You could have been hammered 3-0 or worse.

Im english!

FranklyVulgar · 20th November 2009, 10:17

Point is it's a rediculous thing to even contemplate.

I mean are we going to replay a game everytime someone cheats? be it diving, handball etc

it's rediculous.

Wonder Pigeon · 20th November 2009, 10:18

Correct decision.

El B · 20th November 2009, 10:18

The only irish people I know calling for a replay couldn’t have named half the team that played on Wednesday night. Sane football fans knew this was never going to happen, John Delaney head of the FAI said hes doing it to try and protect the integrity of fair play. Which is fair enough, he probably realises aswell it’ll never happen. I don’t want a replay; I think it’d be bad for football in general. I’d like a statement from either Blatter or Platini though condemning what Henry did. That most likely wont happen either though.

Flying Fox · 20th November 2009, 10:26

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Originally Posted by Bread

Im english!

Whoops!

My point still stands through. A replay could have ended up with the same result.

Eyepopper · 20th November 2009, 10:27

There's a surprise.

So Fifa then, the MOST hypocritical organisation on the planet?

Eyepopper · 20th November 2009, 10:30

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Originally Posted by FranklyVulgar

Fact is if Robbie Keane had done it nobody would give a shit.

Thats fact is it?

You sure its not a baseless assumption

Striker10 · 20th November 2009, 10:32

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Originally Posted by Trippin_Stoned

Huh, why?

The Irish Supporters do need to get over it though. Incidents like this one happen up and down the country and around the world every weekend.

I'm not saying Henry isn't a cheating bastard, because he is. But I just don't see how a reply could be played based on that one moment in the 180 minutes of football that took place.

mate I agree and will get over it but when people like you talk about incidents up and down the country every weekend you need to just stop......

The world cup is different. It's not every weekend. It's every 4 years. Just stop...

If your irish your doing well to quality for 1 in 3 world cups. I think play offs should be made an exception (with certain conditions) but there is no common sense with so much money changing hands

Fifa are scum, they're cheats and the faster somethings done to remove all this corruption the better for everyone.

Even if it's happened in the world cup, these things need to be stopped. Fucking maradonas handball shouldn't be remembered like it is, but it is because they let it. It's not right.

Fairplay? Bollocks.

Im red2 · 20th November 2009, 10:32

I am sure that we(Irish) knew that they would not submit to a request for a replay, but the request at least put them on the spot.

Woodzy · 20th November 2009, 10:33

Good decision. The Irish deserved something, but they have to live it with it. Otherwise a decision on it would have turned football into a joke, and the proposition to replay matches would be thrown about all over the place.

Imagine the English FA turning round and saying "We want to replay that game from 1986 on the grounds that Argentina cheated. You let Ireland do it so we fully expect a positive response."

Red Hand Devil · 20th November 2009, 10:33

It wasnt just any old game of football - it was for the right to play in the World Cup - something us "lesser" football nations dont take for granted.

I fucking guarantee you that if that had of happened to England - you's English lads would be calling for the very same that thing that "most" of us Irish want - a replay & i'd back ya's 100%!

scholesy legend · 20th November 2009, 10:34

The decision ultimately is in the french hands. The irish is requesting the french to ask for a replay.

That's the only way the game will ever be replayed.

Striker10 · 20th November 2009, 10:38

Quote:

Originally Posted by Woodzy

Good decision. The Irish deserved something, but they have to live it with it. Otherwise a decision on it would have turned football into a joke, and the proposition to replay matches would be thrown about all over the place.

Imagine the English FA turning round and saying "We want to replay that game from 1986 on the grounds that Argentina cheated. You let Ireland do it so we fully expect a positive response."

True. What if henry handballs in the final and france win the world cup? Would that turn football into a joke?

Is it not a joke France won, by cheating?..

Oh! Silly me! Technicalities. Some of you make fifas job so easy for them...

Part of the problem is so many people are so lazy they are unable to set conditions to ensure teams don't abuse it, but you do Fifas job for them which is to do fuck all

Red Hand Devil · 20th November 2009, 10:42

Fuck FIFA, fuck Platini, Blatter & Le Cunt Henry.....

At this moment in time - I couldnt give a fuck about football. Sick to my stomach with it!

Drifter · 20th November 2009, 10:44

No surprise.But i hope they give some kind of sanction to Henry

Eyepopper · 20th November 2009, 10:45

There isn't and never was going to be a replay, anyone who knows anything about football knows that.

But what are the FAI supposed to do? Fifa bang on continually about fair play but its now been shown up to be complpete bollocks and just words on their part. This was the perfect opportunity for them to be seen to take a stand on blatant foul play, I'm not talking about replaying the match but at least acknowledging what happened and that its not how matches should be decided but they haven't even had the grace to issue a statement.

For me it shows them up for what they are, a bunch of self serving hypocritical bureaucrats. Why should anyone, supporter, manager or player listen to a single word they say? The message sent out by this is that cheating is ok as long as you dont get caught, it does nothing to promote fair play or honesty, quite the opposite who could blame any manager at any level for encouraging their players to dive and cheat as much as possible considering thats the spirit which Fifa seem to be promoting.

When one of the worlds top players can come out and say "It was just neccesary to exploit what was exploitable" when talking about cheating (whether intentional or 'instinctive') I think its a sad day for the game. Its akin to someone being awarded a penalty and shamelessly admitting that they dived after the game.

Woodzy · 20th November 2009, 10:45

Quote:

Originally Posted by Striker10

true. What if henry handballs in the final and france win the world cup? Would that be turn football into a joke?

Is it not a joke France won, by cheating?..

Oh! Silly me! Technicalities. Soem of you make fifas job so easy for them...

The referee's career would be over, but again, FIFA couldn't force a replay, or i wouldn't have thought so anyway.

Believe me, i'm one of the ones that would have loved Ireland to have gone through. And i agree that if it had happened to England then the FA and media and whoever else would be fighting it till the death to get some sort of justice out of it. As mentioned though, unless France agree to replay the game, a replay won't be forced, it's just not practical.

Justin · 20th November 2009, 10:46

Expected but I'm kind of surprised they don't even have the balls to make a formal apology with their official statement.

Eyepopper · 20th November 2009, 10:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by Woodzy

Good decision. The Irish deserved something, but they have to live it with it. Otherwise a decision on it would have turned football into a joke, and the proposition to replay matches would be thrown about all over the place.

Imagine the English FA turning round and saying "We want to replay that game from 1986 on the grounds that Argentina cheated. You let Ireland do it so we fully expect a positive response."

So because something is hard to administer or implement it shouldn't be done, even if not doing it is at odds with everything Fifa stand for?

Some, myself included, would say that the game is being turned into a far bigger joke when the governing body who stand on a pedestal of Fair Play are allowing blatant foul play to go completely unpunished.

FranklyVulgar · 20th November 2009, 10:49

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eyepopper

Thats fact is it?

You sure its not a baseless assumption

i dont know any player who wouldnt do it. Actually Keane handballed during the game and got away with it. On more than one occasion, fortunately it didnt lead to a goal or the irish clearly would have allowed the french to level the score in order to adhere to the strictest of fair play...

I believe that the irish would have been delighted to get to the world cup, be it just or unjust. Same if an irishman had taken a dive in the box. It could have happened.

Striker10 · 20th November 2009, 10:49

Quote:

Originally Posted by Woodzy

The referee's career would be over, but again, FIFA couldn't force a replay, or i wouldn't have thought so anyway.

Believe me, i'm one of the ones that would have loved Ireland to have gone through. And i agree that if it had happened to England then the FA and media and whoever else would be fighting it till the death to get some sort of justice out of it. As mentioned though, unless France agree to replay the game, a replay won't be forced, it's just not practical.

I tell you what. I blame the ref because he's lying or he's been told it was chest by the linesman. The linesman should be sacked. The ref suspended though up to that point he had been good.

I would never have relyed on Fifa, but I do think it should be up to France. After all, it is their reputation that's gone down the shitter.

So we agree on that but France don't have the balls anyway. If they did, they wouldn't have had to cheat sadly.

Eyepopper · 20th November 2009, 10:50

Oh well thats ok then, something else might have happened (in your opinion and which I and many others wouldn't agree with) so that justifies what actually did happen....

^Red Devil^ · 20th November 2009, 10:50

Henry should be banned from international football for 4 years.

20th November 2009, 09:03	#1 (permalink)
Inigo Montoya Reserve Team Player Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 3,713	FIFA: No replay! <a href="http://d.mediadakine.com/ck.php?n=ad232b97&cb=58144" target="_blank"><img src="http://d.mediadakine.com/avw.php?zoneid=81&cb=58144&n=ad232b97" border="0" alt="" /></a> Fifa will not grant the Football Association of Ireland's request for a replay of France's World Cup play-off win over the Republic of Ireland. The Republic were beaten 2-1 on aggregate after France won with a goal from captain Thierry Henry, who handled the ball in the build up. A Fifa source said: "There is no way the game can be replayed. "To do so would cause absolute chaos for football. Fifa's rules are absolutely clear." The source continued: "Law 5 states that a referee's decision on points of fact is final. That is the end of it. You cannot replay the match on this basis." Full story on; BBC Sport - Football - Fifa rejects Irish replay request

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20th November 2009, 09:05	#2 (permalink)
FranklyVulgar First Team Sub Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: My name is FranklyVulgar, this is not my real name. Posts: 8,756	surprise surprise. it was never going to happen. I suggest the irish get over it.

20th November 2009, 09:05	#3 (permalink)
Trigg aka Trippin_Stoned Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 3,369	It was never going to happen, and I don't think it should've happened either.

20th November 2009, 09:38	#8 (permalink)
Kelvin First Team Muppet Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 14,516	maybe fifa should have the balls to admit that goal was illegal and totally a mockery....

20th November 2009, 09:39	#9 (permalink)
Rahul First Team Regular Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Hunting The Hunter ! Posts: 10,032	Has Platini come out and said anything yet?

20th November 2009, 09:51	#15 (permalink)
Bread Reserve Team Player Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Salford, Manchester Posts: 3,763	In terms of principle i'd like this game to be replayed because the irish have been basically forced out of the competition via fifa rules and cheating french men, but if it gets to a point then games are being replayed because of dodgy goals where would you draw the line? hell of a can of worms

20th November 2009, 10:17	#19 (permalink)
FranklyVulgar First Team Sub Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: My name is FranklyVulgar, this is not my real name. Posts: 8,756	Point is it's a rediculous thing to even contemplate. I mean are we going to replay a game everytime someone cheats? be it diving, handball etc it's rediculous.

20th November 2009, 10:18	#20 (permalink)
Wonder Pigeon Pooping on people Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Forza Shelbourne Posts: 14,469	Correct decision.

20th November 2009, 10:18	#21 (permalink)
El B Reserve Team Player Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: lost in the tunnel of goats Posts: 1,942	The only irish people I know calling for a replay couldn’t have named half the team that played on Wednesday night. Sane football fans knew this was never going to happen, John Delaney head of the FAI said hes doing it to try and protect the integrity of fair play. Which is fair enough, he probably realises aswell it’ll never happen. I don’t want a replay; I think it’d be bad for football in general. I’d like a statement from either Blatter or Platini though condemning what Henry did. That most likely wont happen either though.

20th November 2009, 10:27	#23 (permalink)
Eyepopper one-eyed runt with a love for spinach Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Two manky hookers and a racist dwarf, think I'm heading home! Posts: 38,050	There's a surprise. So Fifa then, the MOST hypocritical organisation on the planet?

20th November 2009, 10:32	#26 (permalink)
Im red2 Prophet of Doom Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: In the beginning(time), God created the Heavens(space) and the Earth(matter) Posts: 3,627	I am sure that we(Irish) knew that they would not submit to a request for a replay, but the request at least put them on the spot.

20th November 2009, 10:33	#27 (permalink)
Woodzy Reserve Team Player Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Barcelona Posts: 2,557	Good decision. The Irish deserved something, but they have to live it with it. Otherwise a decision on it would have turned football into a joke, and the proposition to replay matches would be thrown about all over the place. Imagine the English FA turning round and saying "We want to replay that game from 1986 on the grounds that Argentina cheated. You let Ireland do it so we fully expect a positive response."

20th November 2009, 10:33	#28 (permalink)
Red Hand Devil Dear RHD.. I need your advice. My girlfriend recently.. Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: "i said a hip hop the hippie the hippie to the hip hip hop, a you dont stop the rock it to the bang bang boogie say up jumped the boogie to the rhythm of the boogie, the beat.........." Posts: 10,359	It wasnt just any old game of football - it was for the right to play in the World Cup - something us "lesser" football nations dont take for granted. I fucking guarantee you that if that had of happened to England - you's English lads would be calling for the very same that thing that "most" of us Irish want - a replay & i'd back ya's 100%!

20th November 2009, 10:34	#29 (permalink)
scholesy legend Incorrigible pest Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: U.N.I.T.E.D, United are the team for me, with a nick-nack-paddy-whack, give the dog a bone, why don't Shitty fook off home! Posts: 3,529	The decision ultimately is in the french hands. The irish is requesting the french to ask for a replay. That's the only way the game will ever be replayed.

20th November 2009, 10:42	#31 (permalink)
Red Hand Devil Dear RHD.. I need your advice. My girlfriend recently.. Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: "i said a hip hop the hippie the hippie to the hip hip hop, a you dont stop the rock it to the bang bang boogie say up jumped the boogie to the rhythm of the boogie, the beat.........." Posts: 10,359	Fuck FIFA, fuck Platini, Blatter & Le Cunt Henry..... At this moment in time - I couldnt give a fuck about football. Sick to my stomach with it!

20th November 2009, 10:44	#32 (permalink)
Drifter First Team Regular Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 23,081	No surprise.But i hope they give some kind of sanction to Henry

20th November 2009, 10:45	#33 (permalink)
Eyepopper one-eyed runt with a love for spinach Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Two manky hookers and a racist dwarf, think I'm heading home! Posts: 38,050	There isn't and never was going to be a replay, anyone who knows anything about football knows that. But what are the FAI supposed to do? Fifa bang on continually about fair play but its now been shown up to be complpete bollocks and just words on their part. This was the perfect opportunity for them to be seen to take a stand on blatant foul play, I'm not talking about replaying the match but at least acknowledging what happened and that its not how matches should be decided but they haven't even had the grace to issue a statement. For me it shows them up for what they are, a bunch of self serving hypocritical bureaucrats. Why should anyone, supporter, manager or player listen to a single word they say? The message sent out by this is that cheating is ok as long as you dont get caught, it does nothing to promote fair play or honesty, quite the opposite who could blame any manager at any level for encouraging their players to dive and cheat as much as possible considering thats the spirit which Fifa seem to be promoting. When one of the worlds top players can come out and say "It was just neccesary to exploit what was exploitable" when talking about cheating (whether intentional or 'instinctive') I think its a sad day for the game. Its akin to someone being awarded a penalty and shamelessly admitting that they dived after the game.

20th November 2009, 10:46	#35 (permalink)
Justin First Team Regular Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 21,631	Expected but I'm kind of surprised they don't even have the balls to make a formal apology with their official statement.

20th November 2009, 10:50	#39 (permalink)
Eyepopper one-eyed runt with a love for spinach Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Two manky hookers and a racist dwarf, think I'm heading home! Posts: 38,050	Oh well thats ok then, something else might have happened (in your opinion and which I and many others wouldn't agree with) so that justifies what actually did happen....

20th November 2009, 10:50	#40 (permalink)
^Red Devil^ Reserve Team Player Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Newton Heath L&YR F.C. Posts: 1,428	Henry should be banned from international football for 4 years.