The FIFA World Club Cup - do you care?

duffer · 7th December 2012, 19:57

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Originally Posted by SilentWitness

I wonder what sort of team Chelsea will put out, as i don't believe Sunderland or Villa will be tough games for them yet if they burn out their front 4 they could struggle.

We'll play as strong a side as possible. Benitez will want to get a trophy as soon as possible and knows that if the boo boys can sing "...champions of the world, we know what we are" it'll go some way to improving his popularity.

Crustanoid · 7th December 2012, 19:59

Chelsea not winning this is nigh on impossible, but Rafa is a man who can achieve impossible things, as evidenced by the Inter debacle

Traub · 7th December 2012, 20:01

Chelsea will fuck this up. Bound to happen. I hope they lose in the semis.

duffer · 7th December 2012, 20:07

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Originally Posted by Crustanoid

Chelsea not winning this is nigh on impossible, but Rafa is a man who can achieve impossible things, as evidenced by the Inter debacle

Nigh on impossible not to beat Corinthians? I guess you have not seen them (or Chelsea for that matter) play recently.

rcoobc · 7th December 2012, 20:15

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Originally Posted by Traub

Chelsea will fuck this up. Bound to happen. I hope they lose in the semis.

We thought this about Inter to be fair. Didn't happen

SilentWitness · 7th December 2012, 20:17

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Originally Posted by duffer

We'll play as strong a side as possible. Benitez will want to get a trophy as soon as possible and knows that if the boo boys can sing "...champions of the world, we know what we are" it'll go some way to improving his popularity.

What team would you like to see?

duffer · 7th December 2012, 20:20

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Originally Posted by SilentWitness

What team would you like to see?

As strong as possible. We're going over there, may as well do our best to win it.

I personally don't like the 4-2-3-1 as our "2"s are not suited to their roles and the only "1" we have is, well, shite.

Traub · 7th December 2012, 20:36

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Originally Posted by rcoobc

We thought this about Inter to be fair. Didn't happen

They didn't have Luiz at the back though.

MrMarcello · 7th December 2012, 21:43

I would rather this be like 2000 and a group play format with top club from each group going to a final, and a third-placed match for runners up if they want (i.e. more money).

rcoobc · 7th December 2012, 22:04

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Originally Posted by MrMarcello

I would rather this be like 2000 and a group play format with top club from each group going to a final, and a third-placed match for runners up if they want (i.e. more money).

Any group system, in any competition, in any sport, where only the top team goes through, never works!

As an example the 1993 Champions League had that system, and Milan won all 6 games as Porto and PSV quickly had nothing to play for.

humdinger · 7th December 2012, 22:22

It's a nice idea but no, it's such an uneven competition. No interest in it at all, and when we played in it I attached no more importance to it than I did a friendly. I have more interest in the charity shield to be honest.

Arruda · 7th December 2012, 22:23

What a weird Champions League was that. Many people moan, but the fact is that some very daft things were tried in the past.

In the following year there was a group stage like that but they decided to add a semi-final stage so the runners up of the group could progress...

...but the semi-finals were a single-legged tie in the home ground of the first classified

We lost in Nou Camp then.

SirAF · 8th December 2012, 12:13

Of course I care. It is a great competition, I find it really interesting that the champions of each continent get together to compete for the title "World Champions".

I just wish that it would be bigger/more prestigious. On a personal level I rank this as the third most important trophy, after the PL and CL. Which I am probably all alone in thinking here! So I really hope that Chelsea fail in Japan, would hate to see them win it.

Actually one of my first toughts after the CL final was "fuck chelsea's going to japan to compete for the Club World Cup"

Cal? · 8th December 2012, 16:14

I was there in Yokohama to see us become World Champions!!

NoLogo · 8th December 2012, 16:56

Honestly I have never watched any of those games and they don't get much media attention as well.

rcoobc · 8th December 2012, 17:09

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Originally Posted by NoLogo

Honestly I have never watched any of those games and they don't get much media attention as well.

If they were on Sky then they'd get a lot more attention.

rcoobc · 10th December 2012, 20:52

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You only need to have been at Cobham, Chelsea's training ground, over the last few months to see the level of interest from Brazilian media. Some have stayed on in London since the Olympics just to cover Chelsea, European champions, who everyone supposes will be Corinthians' opponents come the Club World Cup final on Sunday in Yokohama.

What confuses the Brazilian media is the lack of interest from their English counterparts in this week's tournament. During Rafa Benitez's pre-match press conference for the Nordsjaelland match, one Brazilian reporter asked him plaintively: "Do you ever think you'll be asked a question about the Club World Cup that isn't from a Brazilian journalist?"

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According to the official Uefa website, there were more Brazilians (76) in the Champions League group stages this year than any other nationality. That includes France (66), Spain (63), Germany (47) and Portugal (41). There were more Argentines (32) than Englishmen (31), a statistic that points to some pretty depressing side-effects to our all-conquering Premier League.

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/f...e-8397710.html Quite Interesting

Snow · 10th December 2012, 20:53

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Originally Posted by rcoobc

If they were on Sky then they'd get a lot more attention.

And they aren't on there because they don't. Catch 22.

MJJ · 10th December 2012, 20:56

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Originally Posted by rcoobc

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/f...e-8397710.html Quite Interesting

I made the last point in your english blood thread. English football is at a low point right now so obviously has less quality players. Add that into their reluctance to go abroad so can see why there are not as many as other nationalities.

SirAF · 10th December 2012, 22:49

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Originally Posted by rcoobc

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/f...e-8397710.html Quite Interesting

Very interesting article, cheers for posting. However, I do disagree with the author's notion that it is "silly" to include the champions of Oceania, it is a Club World Cup - and obviously the champions of each continent should be involved, even if their elimination is just a matter of formality.

rcoobc · 10th December 2012, 22:52

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Originally Posted by SirAF

Very interesting article, cheers for posting. However, I do disagree with the author's notion that it is "silly" to include the champions of Oceania, it is a Club World Cup - and obviously the champions of each continent should be involved, even if their elimination is all but a formality.

Likewise actually, ridiculous thing to say. They will probably never play a South American or European team, so its no hardship.

Ruud10 · 10th December 2012, 22:59

I still don't care and won't watch any of the matches. If United were involved I'm sure I'd set the DVR and fast forward to the goals. But the games themselves are dreadful. I really can't recall a single memorable moment when we were in it a few seasons ago.

The concept is great but the dominance of European teams is a massive hindrance to any suspense. And there's so much else going on in December besides football that it's hard to justify spending time watching "the club world cup" on television.

I personally would rather see the top two clubs in Europe take on the top two clubs from South America in a mano a mano competition. Two semis, then a final (plus a third place final) for all the marbles. Maybe even just every odd numbered year in the summer so you're not running into competition with the Euros or the World Cup. It will never happen, but something like that would draw massive international interest.

NoLogo · 10th December 2012, 23:45

For some reason I also thought until a few years ago that this isn't actually a legit competition and was mainly done by the clubs because the sponsor pays big money for the clubs to play it and have his name displayed all over the place.

rcoobc · 12th December 2012, 19:10

Warning: FIFATV, First has crap music.

Spoiler

Cling Bak · 13th December 2012, 11:49

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Originally Posted by Twigginater

I think we should all pretend we take it massive, as it's something we've won that no other English team have.

If you think about it logically it's harder to win than the Champions League.

It's the hardest thing in club football to win.

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Originally Posted by sammsky1

Only vaguely cared when we won it, and even then, just for a few days.

Could not care less when we are not in it.

Pretty pointless tournament given the easily global world we live in today.

Well I'd rather we were in it - it'd mean we're the Champions League holders.

Lynk · 13th December 2012, 12:40

If Chelsea win will they be allowed to wear their patch in the League? I seem to remember we could only wear it in Europe.

Arruda · 13th December 2012, 13:18

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Originally Posted by NoLogo

For some reason I also thought until a few years ago that this isn't actually a legit competition and was mainly done by the clubs because the sponsor pays big money for the clubs to play it and have his name displayed all over the place.

The predecessor, Intercontinental Cup, was endorsed by UEFA and CONMEBOL, so it has always been a legit competition, even if it was re-branded Toyota Cup for some time.

Winners are recognized as World Champions and though footballing wise it's not a great thing, it is a nice title to have and may have some historical value in the future. I'm certainly happy that Porto got two trophies of these.

rcoobc · 13th December 2012, 13:44

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Originally Posted by Lynk

If Chelsea win will they be allowed to wear their patch in the League? I seem to remember we could only wear it in Europe.

I'm sure we had it in the League as well as Europe. What I don't remember is if we kept the badge even after losing to Barcelona in May 2009, and therefore be unable to retain it. I have a feeling we did though, just as Barcelona still wear it now.

Cling Bak · 13th December 2012, 13:47

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Originally Posted by rcoobc

I'm sure we had it in the League as well as Europe. What I don't remember is if we kept the badge even after losing to Barcelona in May 2009, and therefore be unable to retain it. I have a feeling we did though, just as Barcelona still wear it now.

We only wore it in Europe and we wore the badge until we weren't World Champions, i.e. until December 2009.

londonredmaniac · 13th December 2012, 13:47

I didn't give too much of a flyer when we were in it tbf...

rcoobc · 13th December 2012, 13:49

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Originally Posted by Cling Bak

We only wore it in Europe and we wore the badge until we weren't World Champions, i.e. until December 2009.

Really? That's a bit crap.

It's a great badge.

rcoobc · 16th December 2012, 11:54

That'sHernandez · 16th December 2012, 11:57

I cared when we won it to be honest.

Chabon · 16th December 2012, 12:43

I care that we're the only English side to have won the thing, and hope it remains that way for a long time.

Wowi · 16th December 2012, 12:44

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Originally Posted by duffer

Never really gave a fuck before. I now realise that I was wrong and it is clearly the biggest and most important in club football.

I know you weren't being serious.

SteveJ · 16th December 2012, 12:44

Marco Materazzi on Rafa Benitez: "When we won the Club World Cup in 2010 it was incredible, as we were without a manager."

rcoobc · 16th December 2012, 13:08

Please welcome; Champions of England, Champions of Europe, Champions of the World. Manchester United!

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Originally Posted by SteveJ

Marco Materazzi on Rafa Benitez: "When we won the Club World Cup in 2010 it was incredible, as we were without a manager."

Inigo Montoya · 16th December 2012, 13:11

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Originally Posted by SteveJ

Marco Materazzi on Rafa Benitez: "When we won the Club World Cup in 2010 it was incredible, as we were without a manager."

Sums it up! They beat a couple of shit pub teams and all of a sudden Benitez is getting it right.

PS he has to stay

Chabon · 16th December 2012, 13:17

Obviously it's not the most important thing ever, but the fact that no other country in the world seems to have a debate about 'whether it matters' should tell you a lot.

Only English club to be champions of the world.

rcoobc · 16th December 2012, 13:27

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Originally Posted by Chabon

Obviously it's not the most important thing ever, but the fact that no other country in the world seems to have a debate about 'whether it matters' should tell you a lot.

Only English club to be champions of the world.

And the amazing thing about that, is its true for the old Inter-Continental Cup too.

Nottingham Forest Liverpool Aston Villa Liverpool Celtic Liverpool Chelsea

And for fairness, our loss.

Our wins in 1999 and 2008

The 2000 World Club Championship isnt considered a World Club Champion, but include it as a United loss or don't.

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7th December 2012, 19:59	#42 (permalink)
Crustanoid First Team Regular Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 15,369	Chelsea not winning this is nigh on impossible, but Rafa is a man who can achieve impossible things, as evidenced by the Inter debacle

7th December 2012, 20:01	#43 (permalink)
Traub First Team Sub Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: South Africa Posts: 5,172	Chelsea will fuck this up. Bound to happen. I hope they lose in the semis.

7th December 2012, 21:43	#49 (permalink)
MrMarcello No Lifer Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Georgia Posts: 34,225	I would rather this be like 2000 and a group play format with top club from each group going to a final, and a third-placed match for runners up if they want (i.e. more money).

7th December 2012, 22:22	#51 (permalink)
humdinger Reserve Team Player Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Scotland Posts: 1,023	It's a nice idea but no, it's such an uneven competition. No interest in it at all, and when we played in it I attached no more importance to it than I did a friendly. I have more interest in the charity shield to be honest.

7th December 2012, 22:23	#52 (permalink)
Arruda First Team Sub Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Porto Posts: 5,339	What a weird Champions League was that. Many people moan, but the fact is that some very daft things were tried in the past. In the following year there was a group stage like that but they decided to add a semi-final stage so the runners up of the group could progress... ...but the semi-finals were a single-legged tie in the home ground of the first classified We lost in Nou Camp then.

8th December 2012, 12:13	#53 (permalink)
SirAF Reserve Team Player Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: RedCafe 24/7 Posts: 4,670	Of course I care. It is a great competition, I find it really interesting that the champions of each continent get together to compete for the title "World Champions". I just wish that it would be bigger/more prestigious. On a personal level I rank this as the third most important trophy, after the PL and CL. Which I am probably all alone in thinking here! So I really hope that Chelsea fail in Japan, would hate to see them win it. Actually one of my first toughts after the CL final was "fuck chelsea's going to japan to compete for the Club World Cup"

8th December 2012, 16:14	#54 (permalink)
Cal? from Redcafe (matchfixing department) Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: It's our perch now... Posts: 20,093	I was there in Yokohama to see us become World Champions!!

8th December 2012, 16:56	#55 (permalink)
NoLogo First Team Sub Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Sea wihtin a sea. Posts: 6,178	Honestly I have never watched any of those games and they don't get much media attention as well.

10th December 2012, 22:59	#62 (permalink)
Ruud10 Reserve Team Player Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: California Posts: 4,306	I still don't care and won't watch any of the matches. If United were involved I'm sure I'd set the DVR and fast forward to the goals. But the games themselves are dreadful. I really can't recall a single memorable moment when we were in it a few seasons ago. The concept is great but the dominance of European teams is a massive hindrance to any suspense. And there's so much else going on in December besides football that it's hard to justify spending time watching "the club world cup" on television. I personally would rather see the top two clubs in Europe take on the top two clubs from South America in a mano a mano competition. Two semis, then a final (plus a third place final) for all the marbles. Maybe even just every odd numbered year in the summer so you're not running into competition with the Euros or the World Cup. It will never happen, but something like that would draw massive international interest.

10th December 2012, 23:45	#63 (permalink)
NoLogo First Team Sub Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Sea wihtin a sea. Posts: 6,178	For some reason I also thought until a few years ago that this isn't actually a legit competition and was mainly done by the clubs because the sponsor pays big money for the clubs to play it and have his name displayed all over the place.

13th December 2012, 12:40	#66 (permalink)
Lynk Obsessed with discrediting Danny Welbeck Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 9,104	If Chelsea win will they be allowed to wear their patch in the League? I seem to remember we could only wear it in Europe.

13th December 2012, 13:47	#70 (permalink)
londonredmaniac I suffer delusions of grandeur Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: The announcer and referee of Gaz Vs DJS the meet! Posts: 14,779	I didn't give too much of a flyer when we were in it tbf...

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rcoobc Not as crap as eferyone thinks Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: The treble gone Posts: 23,105

16th December 2012, 11:57	#73 (permalink)
That'sHernandez First Team Regular Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 16,088	I cared when we won it to be honest.

16th December 2012, 12:43	#74 (permalink)
Chabon Reserve Team Player Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 4,015	I care that we're the only English side to have won the thing, and hope it remains that way for a long time.

16th December 2012, 12:44	#76 (permalink)
SteveJ Newbie of the Year 2011. Twat of the Millenium. Hide yo' wife, oates! Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: "Holistic" Posts: 23,632	Marco Materazzi on Rafa Benitez: "When we won the Club World Cup in 2010 it was incredible, as we were without a manager."

16th December 2012, 13:17	#79 (permalink)
Chabon Reserve Team Player Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 4,015	Obviously it's not the most important thing ever, but the fact that no other country in the world seems to have a debate about 'whether it matters' should tell you a lot. Only English club to be champions of the world.