Football - 10/1 + 11/1

prateik · 11th January 2012, 22:03

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Originally Posted by MUFCgal

But he's still talking about it publicly, perhaps he's thinking the FA should do something about it since they've upheld Kompany's ban for a similar tackle.

He is a hypocrite. He stood on the touchline a few weeks ago in the match against Liverpool and was waving the imaginary card towards the ref. He can't speak about anybody moaning about decisions.

Agree about the one against Liverpool a few weeks back. Waving the card from the sidelines was bad.

I think he is entitled to ask the FA to be consistent. Its after the match. Noone is going to be pressurized into making a quick decision that might be incorrect. I dont have a problem with this at all.

relx · 11th January 2012, 22:03

A positive for City fans is that Johnson's a two-footed player

Raoul · 11th January 2012, 22:04

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Originally Posted by prateik

And still 3 points clear where it matters most.
Lets hope their slump isnt over.

It will. Kompany and Yaya Toure gone and Spurs coming up soon. Another Balotelli incident would be nice right about now.

Neo_Mufc · 11th January 2012, 22:04

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Originally Posted by Liam147

Yes. Why must there be contact for it to be a red? Should a player have to risk having his legs broken in the hope that the opponent gets sent off. There's a rule in place now before that punishes DANGEROUS play. Two footed tackles, regardless of whether you get the ball or not are dangerous.

Can't believe you drew me into that one.

Not all two footed tackles are dangerous. So Glen Johnson should have been sent off then?

Liam147 · 11th January 2012, 22:06

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Originally Posted by Neo_Mufc

Not all two footed tackles are dangerous. So Glen Johnson should have been sent off then?

Not all, but when you're trying to win the ball from someone's feet with one, then it usually is.

Glen Johnson deserved a red more (IMO) than Kompany.

Claymore · 11th January 2012, 22:13

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Originally Posted by Brophs

In fairness, Mancini has a point. Johnson's tackle was arguably worse than Kompany's, so one of the decisions is wrong.

Both two footed and studs showing which we're told you're not allowed to do these days.

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Originally Posted by MUFCgal

Hate Gerrard, but he's spot on there. He basically said that Mancini brought up the fact that Rooney protested to the ref about Kompany's tackle, but yet Mancini is trying to get Johnson in trouble here by bringing up his two footed tackle.

Don't think he is trying to get him in trouble, he's just trying to bitch out of losing the much bigger game and it just shows that despite losing to Liverpool tonight that his mind is still on that defeat. He didn't look right before the game in his interview either, hopefully its the start of some Keegan/Rafa style cracks appearing. If Manchini moans about the tackle then it deflects from his team.

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What is it with this two footed tackle malarky. You go in two footed and win it cleanly no problems. You take a player out red. Simple.

Nah not all because the momentum from a two footed tackle with studs showing can go onto to seriously damage a player, even if initially 'winning the ball'. For ages a thing has been made about these kind of tackles, yet when it helps United out its mention on loads of football shows way after the game. Was the same with Rooney's elbow, 4 match of the days they mentioned it!!! FOUR!!.

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Originally Posted by MUFCgal

But he's still talking about it publicly, perhaps he's thinking the FA should do something about it since they've upheld Kompany's ban for a similar tackle.

No he's not, he's just trying to ease the defeat to United on himself and his own team. Don't think he really cares if the Liverpool player gets banned or not. He'd much rather have Kompany back them see a ban for them.

SCM · 11th January 2012, 22:14

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Originally Posted by Denis' cuff

now, now, no Rawkishness do you hear

Rawkishness would have been how the FA, refs, leagues etc are against us when the sending off on Sunday was unfair as Kompany was once friendly to Nani at a previous time in one of our games and couldn't have been guilty of the tackle he did as he loves Nani secretly

Neo_Mufc · 11th January 2012, 22:15

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Originally Posted by Liam147

Not all, but when you're trying to win the ball from someone's feet with one, then it usually is.

Glen Johnson deserved a red more (IMO) than Kompany.

Isn't that the issue though, 'not all'. You either issue a red card for going in two footed or you don't. You can win the ball without having to do a sub-zero slide tackle.

Liam147 · 11th January 2012, 22:20

When I said 'not all' I was referring to the tackles that are outside of a five yard radius to whoever has the ball.

Two-footed = red card.

Claymore · 11th January 2012, 22:26

Didn't enjoy the BBC coverage tonight being a United fan. They kept going on about the FA cup game and that tackle during commentary from Larwo and co, it was like they had to get their stamp on it as they never had the game rights. Then the pundits of Hansen and Dixon etc have their turn. They got beat, sure it was close in the end but move on.

That main MOTD commentator seems to hate us. He's not far off Champion and Burley.

gormless · 11th January 2012, 22:37

Haven't seen so much scouse excitement over one leg since Paul McCartney first met Heather

kf · 11th January 2012, 22:43

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Originally Posted by vanthaman

Shearer on Carroll - "It's fair to say he's crap"

Need to see a video of this, sound was down in the pub I where watched that yawn fest

Plechazunga · 11th January 2012, 23:02

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Haven't seen so much scouse excitement over one leg since Paul McCartney first met Heather

RK · 11th January 2012, 23:14

I think there's a big difference between Kompany's and Johnson's - Johnson's wasn't dangerous because Lescott wasn't close to the challenge. You need to draw the line somewhere else Andy Carroll will get sent off for slipping over 50 yards from the action.

I've only seen Johnson's 2-3 times though, was it possible for Lescott to be caught? Did he move out of the way or refrain from going in? If so I'm fine with changing my interpretation.

Plan M · 11th January 2012, 23:59

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Originally Posted by Claymore

Didn't enjoy the BBC coverage tonight being a United fan. They kept going on about the FA cup game and that tackle during commentary from Larwo and co, it was like they had to get their stamp on it as they never had the game rights. Then the pundits of Hansen and Dixon etc have their turn. They got beat, sure it was close in the end but move on.

That main MOTD commentator seems to hate us. He's not far off Champion and Burley.

I don't buy into this paranoid hog wash. I've heard all of the above names praise us on many an occasion.

Ole's_toe_poke · 12th January 2012, 00:05

I noticed even in victory Dalglish couldn't help make a few sarcastic "jokes" in the post match.

The man really is an odious cretin.

Cutch · 12th January 2012, 00:18

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Originally Posted by RK

I think there's a big difference between Kompany's and Johnson's - Johnson's wasn't dangerous because Lescott wasn't close to the challenge. You need to draw the line somewhere else Andy Carroll will get sent off for slipping over 50 yards from the action.

I've only seen Johnson's 2-3 times though, was it possible for Lescott to be caught? Did he move out of the way or refrain from going in? If so I'm fine with changing my interpretation.

No difference at all.

According to Law 12, foul challenges fall into 3 broad categories. Careless, reckless and using excessive force. These are precisely defined:

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Careless: The player has shown a lack of attention or consideration when making a challenge or that he acted without precaution.
No further disciplinary sanction is needed.

Reckless: The player has acted with complete disregard to the danger to, or the consequences for his opponent.
A player who plays in a reckless manner must be cautioned.

Excess force: A player has far exceeded the necessary use force and is in danger of injuring his opponent.
A player who uses excessive force must be sent off.

Johnson and Kompanys tackles should be both considered to be made using excessive force (jumping in two footed) and therefore both should have been sent off. You dont necessarily have to make contact to be considered to be endangering a player.

RK · 12th January 2012, 00:27

"and is in danger of injuring his opponent"

You could argue there was no danger of Johnson injuring his opponent. I've seen it again and it looks worse than I remember, but I still don't think Lescott would ever have been in danger, he wasn't close enough. Stupid tackle though.

Cutch · 12th January 2012, 00:35

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Originally Posted by RK

"and is in danger of injuring his opponent"

You could argue there was no danger of Johnson injuring his opponent. I've seen it again and it looks worse than I remember, but I still don't think Lescott would ever have been in danger, he wasn't close enough. Stupid tackle though.

I'd maybe need another look but i thought Lescotts leg was right beside the ball, close enough to be at risk from a player deemed to be jumping in without control.

vuc · 12th January 2012, 00:38

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Originally Posted by RK

I think there's a big difference between Kompany's and Johnson's - Johnson's wasn't dangerous because Lescott wasn't close to the challenge. You need to draw the line somewhere else Andy Carroll will get sent off for slipping over 50 yards from the action.

I've only seen Johnson's 2-3 times though, was it possible for Lescott to be caught? Did he move out of the way or refrain from going in? If so I'm fine with changing my interpretation.

RK · 12th January 2012, 02:14

I think Johnson's was a worse challenge if you isolate the type of tackle, but as the player being tackled I'd have been far more annoyed with Kompany's with which I actually could've got injured. If I'd seen Johnson fly across like that I'd be thinking along the lines of "bloody hell you got lucky" not "bloody hell I got lucky".

Bryan_Munich · 12th January 2012, 12:33

You won't see a more comfortable win than that at Eastlands all season.

Talking Vulture · 12th January 2012, 13:29

Ours should have been on Sunday until we decided to stop playing at half time.

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11th January 2012, 22:03	#402 (permalink)
relx Frnkie Sys Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 4,154	A positive for City fans is that Johnson's a two-footed player

11th January 2012, 22:20	#409 (permalink)
Liam147 Yoko Ono Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: "It aint the size of the dog in the fight, it's the size of the fight in the dog." Posts: 8,784	When I said 'not all' I was referring to the tackles that are outside of a five yard radius to whoever has the ball. Two-footed = red card.

11th January 2012, 22:26	#410 (permalink)
Claymore Reserve Team Player Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Technical difficulties Posts: 2,029	Didn't enjoy the BBC coverage tonight being a United fan. They kept going on about the FA cup game and that tackle during commentary from Larwo and co, it was like they had to get their stamp on it as they never had the game rights. Then the pundits of Hansen and Dixon etc have their turn. They got beat, sure it was close in the end but move on. That main MOTD commentator seems to hate us. He's not far off Champion and Burley.

11th January 2012, 22:37	#411 (permalink)
gormless Reserve Team Player Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: comfortable and settled in my rut Posts: 3,279	Haven't seen so much scouse excitement over one leg since Paul McCartney first met Heather

11th January 2012, 23:14	#414 (permalink)
RK First Team Regular Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 13,933	I think there's a big difference between Kompany's and Johnson's - Johnson's wasn't dangerous because Lescott wasn't close to the challenge. You need to draw the line somewhere else Andy Carroll will get sent off for slipping over 50 yards from the action. I've only seen Johnson's 2-3 times though, was it possible for Lescott to be caught? Did he move out of the way or refrain from going in? If so I'm fine with changing my interpretation.

12th January 2012, 00:05	#416 (permalink)
Ole's_toe_poke First Team Regular Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 18,932	I noticed even in victory Dalglish couldn't help make a few sarcastic "jokes" in the post match. The man really is an odious cretin.

12th January 2012, 00:27	#418 (permalink)
RK First Team Regular Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 13,933	"and is in danger of injuring his opponent" You could argue there was no danger of Johnson injuring his opponent. I've seen it again and it looks worse than I remember, but I still don't think Lescott would ever have been in danger, he wasn't close enough. Stupid tackle though.

12th January 2012, 02:14	#421 (permalink)
RK First Team Regular Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 13,933	I think Johnson's was a worse challenge if you isolate the type of tackle, but as the player being tackled I'd have been far more annoyed with Kompany's with which I actually could've got injured. If I'd seen Johnson fly across like that I'd be thinking along the lines of "bloody hell you got lucky" not "bloody hell I got lucky".

12th January 2012, 12:33	#422 (permalink)
Bryan_Munich Aka RichieRich12 Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: "If we are around about the top, the second half of the season presents an opportunity for us. With the way this club is organised to perform in the second half of the season, it helps us. It doesn't matter how we get there, or who is around us." Posts: 10,765	You won't see a more comfortable win than that at Eastlands all season.

12th January 2012, 13:29	#423 (permalink)
Talking Vulture Reserve Team Player Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 3,469	Ours should have been on Sunday until we decided to stop playing at half time.