France vs England

samabachan · 27th March 2008, 00:12

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Originally Posted by Sam#1

FFS, if I have to....

Tevez - £5 - Very much so
Anderson - £15 - Yep
Nani - £15 - Yep
Hargreaves - £17 - No
Kuszczak - £2 - He's a keeper - yes
Carrick - £18 - Yes
van der Sar - £2 - He's a very good keeper - yes
Park - £4 - Yes
Foster - £1 - He's a keeper - yes
Vidic - £7 - yes
Evra - £6 - yes
Smith - £7 - Errm, I never understood the Smith signing, so no, this surprised me.
Cnut - £7 - Yes
Rooney - £25 - Certainly
Bellion - £2 - No
Djemba - £4 - Still don't know enough about him as a player
Howard - £2 - he's a keeper - yes
Kleberson - £6 - Same as Djemba twins
Ronaldo - £12 - Certainly
Saha - £13 - Yes
Ferdinand - £28 - Certainly
Ricardo - £1 - Never understood this one
van Nistelrooy - £19 - yes
Veron - £28 - yes
Carroll - £2 - Never understood this one
Forlan - £7 - Hmm, not really
Barthez - £8 - yes

Fancy giving some reasons?

CnutOfAllCnuts · 27th March 2008, 00:12

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Originally Posted by Sam#1

FFS, if I have to....

Tevez - £5 - Very much so
Anderson - £15 - Yep
Nani - £15 - Yep
Hargreaves - £17 - No
Kuszczak - £2 - He's a keeper - yes
Carrick - £18 - Yes
van der Sar - £2 - He's a very good keeper - yes
Park - £4 - Yes
Foster - £1 - He's a keeper - yes
Vidic - £7 - yes
Evra - £6 - yes
Smith - £7 - Errm, I never understood the Smith signing, so no, this surprised me.
Cnut - £7 - Yes
Rooney - £25 - Certainly
Bellion - £2 - No
Djemba - £4 - Still don't know enough about him as a player
Howard - £2 - he's a keeper - yes
Kleberson - £6 - Same as Djemba twins
Ronaldo - £12 - Certainly
Saha - £13 - Yes
Ferdinand - £28 - Certainly
Ricardo - £1 - Never understood this one
van Nistelrooy - £19 - yes
Veron - £28 - yes
Carroll - £2 - Never understood this one
Forlan - £7 - Hmm, not really
Barthez - £8 - yes

I think you are yet again confusing two different things. This time I think you are confusing a term such as "a Fergie player" with whom you rate as players.

CnutOfAllCnuts · 27th March 2008, 00:13

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Originally Posted by Sam#1

Eh ?

I'm confused now too.

I can tell.

For a start, you don't know the difference between an opinion and the truth.

Nucks · 27th March 2008, 00:14

The more I read #2's posts, the more I am convinced he is like a little dog just desperate to please a certain group on this forum.

His posting in regards to Hargreaves has a perceptible passive aggressive nature to it while at the same time he is slowly becoming more and more virulent towards Hargreaves.

The whole anti-Hargreaves brigade is suffering from a bad case of group think. Their negativity towards Hargreaves is simply reinforcing itself and any legitimate gripes they had about him were long ago lost as they become increasingly over the top.

FlawlessThaw · 27th March 2008, 00:14

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Originally Posted by CnutOfAllCnuts

I think you are yet again confusing two different things. This time I think you are confusing a term such as "a Fergie player" with whom you rate as players.

Was going to make the exact same point. I personally never rated Smith even when he was at Leeds, but I can easily see someone classing him as a "Fergie type player" and I was prepared to give him at least a year and a half before I started clamoring for his exit.

CnutOfAllCnuts · 27th March 2008, 00:16

To help you Sam, this is the definition of truth:

Conformity to fact or actuality.
A statement proven to be or accepted as true.
Sincerity; integrity.
Fidelity to an original or standard.

Reality; actuality.
often Truth That which is considered to be the supreme reality and to have the ultimate meaning and value of existence.

And this is the definition of opinion:

A belief or conclusion held with confidence but not substantiated by positive knowledge or proof: “The world is not run by thought, nor by imagination, but by opinion” (Elizabeth Drew).
A judgment based on special knowledge and given by an expert: a medical opinion.
A judgment or estimation of the merit of a person or thing: has a low opinion of braggarts.
The prevailing view: public opinion.
Law. A formal statement by a court or other adjudicative body of the legal reasons and principles for the conclusions of the court.

Sam#1 · 27th March 2008, 00:17

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Originally Posted by CnutOfAllCnuts

I think you are yet again confusing two different things. This time I think you are confusing a term such as "a Fergie player" with whom you rate as players.

I'm really not.

For instance Forlan. He was a good player, but a relative unknown, which isn't usually Fergie's style. H tends to go for more well known players. Not always, but usually. As opposed to Wenger who goes for very much unknown quantities.

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Originally Posted by CnutOfAllCnuts

I can tell.

For a start, you don't know the difference between an opinion and the truth.

I believe my opinion is the truth, surely you believe that your opinion is the truth ?

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Originally Posted by Nucks

The more I read #2's posts, the more I am convinced he is like a little dog just desperate to please a certain group on this forum.

His posting in regards to Hargreaves has a perceptible passive aggressive nature to it while at the same time he is slowly becoming more and more virulent towards Hargreaves.

The whole anti-Hargreaves brigade is suffering from a bad case of group think. Their negativity towards Hargreaves is simply reinforcing itself and any legitimate gripes they had about him were long ago lost as they become increasingly over the top.

Fuck off you stupid twat. And please, stop following me thread to thread.

I never have, and never will hate Hargreaves.

CnutOfAllCnuts · 27th March 2008, 00:19

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Originally Posted by Sam#1

I'm really not.

For instance Forlan. He was a good player, but a relative unknown, which isn't usually Fergie's style. H tends to go for more well known players.

Such as Schmeichel, Solskjær, Johnsen, Vidic, Djemba, Anderson etc?

Scholesy · 27th March 2008, 00:19

You cant say there is a thing such as a typical Fergie signing, because he has bought every sort of player at every price.

Sam#1 · 27th March 2008, 00:20

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Originally Posted by CnutOfAllCnuts

Such as Schmeichel, Solskjær, Johnsen, Anderson etc?

As I said, not always.

Anyway, Anderson was hardly unknown, the whole of Europe was keeping tabs on him.

FlawlessThaw · 27th March 2008, 00:21

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Originally Posted by Scholesy

You cant say there is a thing such as a typical Fergie signing, because he has bought every sort of player at every price.

I think to an extent there is. Can you ever see Ferguson signing Ashley Cole? Because I can't.

CnutOfAllCnuts · 27th March 2008, 00:21

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Originally Posted by Sam#1

I believe my opinion is the truth, surely you believe that your opinion is the truth ?

No, I realise my opinion is just that, an opinion. My opinion is that there is no God. I can't prove whther that is true or not, hence it's not the truth.

BIG difference.

Sam#1 · 27th March 2008, 00:21

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Originally Posted by FlawlessThaw

I think to an extent there is. Can you ever see Ferguson signing Ashley Cole? Because I can't.

Thank God!

CnutOfAllCnuts · 27th March 2008, 00:21

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Originally Posted by Scholesy

You cant say there is a thing such as a typical Fergie signing, because he has bought every sort of player at every price.

True

Sam#1 · 27th March 2008, 00:24

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Originally Posted by CnutOfAllCnuts

No, I realise my opinion is just that, an opinion. My opinion is that there is no God. I can't prove whther that is true or not, hence it's not the truth.

BIG difference.

I realise my opinion is just that, however, I believe it. Otherwise, what would be the point ?

Like you, I don't believe in a God, I can't prove it, but IMO it is true.

CnutOfAllCnuts · 27th March 2008, 00:27

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Originally Posted by Sam#1

but IMO it is true.

But, it is not the truth, as it is only your opinion, as you say yourself. Because you can't prove it.

CnutOfAllCnuts · 27th March 2008, 00:28

I don't believe I will ever win the Lottery. Is it the truth?

Ekeke · 27th March 2008, 00:29

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Originally Posted by Scholesy

When Hargreaves first joined us, I though he ran about like a headless chicken with no technique but was very good at harrassing and tackling...But now I think kindof the opposite, nice passer and touch but terrible at tackling!

Good god.. What?

Well, he's had the same technique since he was 16 so it's no wonder he's pants on the ball...

CnutOfAllCnuts · 27th March 2008, 00:30

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Originally Posted by Ekeke

Good god.. What?

Well, he's had the same technique since he was 16 so it's no wonder he's pants on the ball...

Scholesy · 27th March 2008, 00:31

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Originally Posted by Ekeke

Good god.. What?

Well, he's had the same technique since he was 16 so it's no wonder he's pants on the ball...

Hes decent on the ball. Unlike YOU.

Sam#1 · 27th March 2008, 00:33

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Originally Posted by CnutOfAllCnuts

But, it is not the truth, as it is only your opinion, as you say yourself. Because you can't prove it.

No, it's not the truth. In my opinion it is ,though.

Look, this is all getting a little silly, I worded my post wrong, but hey, so what, really is no need to get so pedantic. I hold my hands up and admit, I was wrong to say it was the truth, as that can never be proven.

However, like everyone with there opinions on this board, I'm as sure as I can be and believe it to be the truth that Fergie was not planning on making a bid for Hargreaves until his performance in the World Cup. I don't know this for sure, but I'm as confident as I can be that that is the case.

Ekeke · 27th March 2008, 00:36

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Originally Posted by Scholesy

Hes decent on the ball. Unlike YOU.

I didn't realise you were scouting me.

So what do you think of my new trick? I learn't it at 16... But I had forgotten about it till the weekend. Thats what happened.

He is not decent on the ball. This is his major failing. He's semi-andy defensively... But you're saying he has good control and passing but cant really tackle.

This would be a little more accurate of Scholes and Carrick, not Owen Hargreaves.

Scholesy · 27th March 2008, 00:37

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Originally Posted by Ekeke

I didn't realise you were scouting me.

So what do you think of my new trick? I learn't it at 16... But I had forgotten about it till the weekend. Thats what happened.

He is not decent on the ball. This is his major failing. He's semi-andy defensively... But you're saying he has good control and passing but cant really tackle.

This would be a little more accurate of Scholes and Carrick, not Owen Hargreaves.

No because Carrick and Scholes are class on the ball, not decent.

Ekeke · 27th March 2008, 00:43

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Originally Posted by Scholesy

No because Carrick and Scholes are class on the ball, not decent.

I didn't say it was accurate.

Just more accurate than saying Hargreaves has nice touch and passing but is a shit tackler.

ralphie88 · 27th March 2008, 00:50

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Originally Posted by Nucks

The whole anti-Hargreaves brigade is suffering from a bad case of group think.

Bizarre.

Delusional in fact.

The fact Nucks apperas to believe there is an "anti-Hargreaves brigade" who have an irrational hatred of him is frankly farcial. He played alright for England tonight. He played well for Bayern by all accounts. For United so farm however, he's been disappointing, possibly down to lack of fitness, who knows? The idea people have an agenda about him (with the exception of our resident Bayern fan of course) is, well as i say, bizarre.

ralphie88 · 27th March 2008, 00:52

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Originally Posted by CnutOfAllCnuts

Always said that when people have suggested him as Sir Alex's replacement.

Yeah, his Roma teams bored the pants off me.

samabachan · 27th March 2008, 00:56

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Originally Posted by Sam#1

No, it's not the truth. In my opinion it is ,though.

Look, this is all getting a little silly, I worded my post wrong, but hey, so what, really is no need to get so pedantic. I hold my hands up and admit, I was wrong to say it was the truth, as that can never be proven.

However, like everyone with there opinions on this board, I'm as sure as I can be and believe it to be the truth that Fergie was not planning on making a bid for Hargreaves until his performance in the World Cup. I don't know this for sure, but I'm as confident as I can be that that is the case.

Yes cnut's being a pedantic old bastard (no offense like

) but you still haven't told us what a Fergie type player is. How is a hard working mentalist tackler like Smith not "a Fergie type player". I think it's because you don't rate him as a player. Care to refute this?

Sam#1 · 27th March 2008, 01:08

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Originally Posted by samabachan

Yes cnut's being a pedantic old bastard (no offense like

) but you still haven't told us what a Fergie type player is. How is a hard working mentalist tackler like Smith not "a Fergie type player". I think it's because you don't rate him as a player. Care to refute this?

I would say a 'typical' Fergie player is one who has good technical ability, is well rounded (so isn't to one dimensional), has a good attitude 9a real love for football) and one who can play in a 'typical' United system, this being one that focuses on attacking with pace and flair.

Rio, Veron, Carrick, Rooney, Anderson are all good examples of this.

Hargreaves seems, so far, very one dimensional. He may be good defensively, although this is yet to be proved, but that's pretty much where his talents end. He's not very well rounded and he hinders us when breaking quickly. Whereas, there are players that play the same role as Hargreaves, but do have more to their game and wouldn't hinde

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Nucks Cuckoo Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 719	The more I read #2's posts, the more I am convinced he is like a little dog just desperate to please a certain group on this forum. His posting in regards to Hargreaves has a perceptible passive aggressive nature to it while at the same time he is slowly becoming more and more virulent towards Hargreaves. The whole anti-Hargreaves brigade is suffering from a bad case of group think. Their negativity towards Hargreaves is simply reinforcing itself and any legitimate gripes they had about him were long ago lost as they become increasingly over the top.

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CnutOfAllCnuts Bald Boring Cnut Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 20,465	To help you Sam, this is the definition of truth: Conformity to fact or actuality. A statement proven to be or accepted as true. Sincerity; integrity. Fidelity to an original or standard. Reality; actuality. often Truth That which is considered to be the supreme reality and to have the ultimate meaning and value of existence. And this is the definition of opinion: A belief or conclusion held with confidence but not substantiated by positive knowledge or proof: “The world is not run by thought, nor by imagination, but by opinion” (Elizabeth Drew). A judgment based on special knowledge and given by an expert: a medical opinion. A judgment or estimation of the merit of a person or thing: has a low opinion of braggarts. The prevailing view: public opinion. Law. A formal statement by a court or other adjudicative body of the legal reasons and principles for the conclusions of the court.

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