France vs England

Nick 0208 Ldn · 26th March 2008, 22:07

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Originally Posted by Scholesy

I reckon if he had made no changes, 1-1.

Would have had a far better chance no doubt.

mehro · 26th March 2008, 22:09

So was Rio really injured?

FlawlessThaw · 26th March 2008, 22:13

England looked ok in the first half.

AttackingFlair · 26th March 2008, 22:15

Hargreaves was decent, set Downing through with that left foot over the top ball.

Utd heap · 26th March 2008, 22:17

Thought first half was promising, but second showed a lack of undertsnading of other players, and a distinct lack of idea's.
The most worrying thing was the lack of oppurtunities we created.

Raven_Blade · 26th March 2008, 22:17

I thought Hargreaves did his job very well. Unfortunately when England went forward they lacked ideas and creativity. There was also a lack of movement up front and clear cut chances. It seems that Rooney cannot play up front on his own for England, but he can for Man Utd. I wonder why....

ralphie88 · 26th March 2008, 22:22

I think the conclusion has to be:

Carrick > Fletcher > Hargreaves > Barry > Rest of England Team.

Something we can all agree on?

Ekeke · 26th March 2008, 22:25

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Originally Posted by CnutOfAllCnuts

Why the rant though?

And it's not the first time I've seen you rant about him.

Which leads me to think you really have it in for him.

Because you asked about him?

I said both Hargreaves and Barry were good and shit in equal measures tonight. Both made a few good tackles (Hargreaves more than Barry) both made a few decent passes (Barry a lot more than Hargreaves) and both had their spastic moments where they forgot how to pass the ball or that they were supposed to be trying to take the ball from the player and not the player from the ball.

Barry did more than Hargreaves on the night in my opinion but Toulalon and Makelele did more.

That was the point I was making.

The "rant" was to explain my thoughts on why lots of people rate him (as well as the many who don't) and because I saw one of the pundits on sky sports news say "England were poor but Hargreaves was fantastic."

In my opinion, Hargreaves has made his reputation in England based on these short sighted comments on his performances in games where everyone around him has been poor.

Which says a lot for his character - but not too much for his ability.

CnutOfAllCnuts · 26th March 2008, 22:28

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Originally Posted by Ekeke

In my opinion, Hargreaves has made his reputation in England based on these short sighted comments on his performances in games where everyone around him has been poor.

Which says a lot for his character - but not too much for his ability.

So you reckon Sir Alex bought him based on these so called short sighted comments?

Ekeke · 26th March 2008, 22:32

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Originally Posted by CnutOfAllCnuts

So you reckon Sir Alex bought him based on these so called short sighted comments?

Of course not. SAF bought him for what he saw in Bayern's games - something I'm not an expert on as I have said above. I can only comment on his England matches because those are the ones I've seen all of.

noodlehair · 26th March 2008, 22:32

I only saw the first half, but Hargreaves was even poorer than usual during that, and I saw comments on here about how well he was playing. When Anelka rolled him even though he had possession of the ball, me and my brother just started laughing, but It was emabarrasing really

Gareth Barry was having a good game, and yet people were slagging him off

CnutOfAllCnuts · 26th March 2008, 22:33

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Originally Posted by Ekeke

Of course not. SAF bought him for what he saw in Bayern's games - something I'm not an expert on as I have said above. I can only comment on his England matches because those are the ones I've seen all of.

Fair enough

Sam#1 · 26th March 2008, 22:33

Fergie bought him on the basis of the World Cup IMO. A bit like Rio. Although the difference is, Rio is great, Hargreaves is not.

samabachan · 26th March 2008, 22:41

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Originally Posted by noodlehair

I only saw the first half, but Hargreaves was even poorer than usual during that, and I saw comments on here about how well he was playing. When Anelka rolled him even though he had possession of the ball, me and my brother just started laughing, but It was emabarrasing really

Gareth Barry was having a good game, and yet people were slagging him off

Even Villa fans don't think he played well. "Really off form at the moment" to quote one. Positionally and defensively terrible with not a whole lot going forward. Hargreaves played his role fairly well.

Ekeke · 26th March 2008, 22:41

It cant have been the World Cup alone though, he must have seen at least the same level of performance while he was at Bayern else he wouldnt have stayed after him for so long.

He must have liked what he saw for Bayern also.

Sam#1 · 26th March 2008, 22:42

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Originally Posted by Ekeke

It cant have been the World Cup alone though, he must have seen at least the same level of performance while he was at Bayern else he wouldnt have stayed after him for so long.

He must have liked what he saw for Bayern also.

It was the World Cup.

marcus agrippa · 26th March 2008, 22:42

some geezer up there (mehro) has posted that Rio's injured. this had better not be true, you fuckin gimps.

someone reassure and comfort me. i'm easily discombobulated.

CnutOfAllCnuts · 26th March 2008, 22:44

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Originally Posted by Sam#1

It was the World Cup.

Nah, the World Cup had an influence, but Sir Alex would have seen him at Bayern too, as well as speaking to his mate Ottmar about him.

Steev · 26th March 2008, 22:44

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Originally Posted by marcus agrippa

some geezer up there (mehro) has posted that Rio's injured. this had better not be true, you fuckin gimps.

someone reassure and comfort me. i'm easily discombobulated.

The radio commentators on 5live suggested Rio was injured. But he carried on playing for the last 20 minutes anyway.

People actually watching the game said he didn't look injured so it appears they were talking shite. Thankfully.

Sam#1 · 26th March 2008, 22:46

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Originally Posted by CnutOfAllCnuts

Nah, the World Cup had an influence, but Sir Alex would have seen him at Bayern too, as well as speaking to his mate Ottmar about him.

He would have seen him. But had he not been so hyped up by the media during/after the World Cup, he wouldn't have gone for him.

ralphie88 · 26th March 2008, 22:46

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Originally Posted by Sam#1

Fergie bought him on the basis of the World Cup IMO.

Yup. And who was the best defensive midfielder at the World CUp before? That's right Nicky Butt.

BUT (see what I did there?), Hargreaves played well tonight.

Thanks fuck Capello doesn't manage United though - dull dull dull stuff.

CnutOfAllCnuts · 26th March 2008, 22:47

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Originally Posted by Sam#1

He would have seen him. But had he not been so hyped up by the media during/after the World Cup, he wouldn't have gone for him.

You really think Sir Alex signs players based on how hyped they are by the media?

CnutOfAllCnuts · 26th March 2008, 22:49

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Originally Posted by ralphie88

Thanks fuck Capello doesn't manage United though - dull dull dull stuff.

Always said that when people have suggested him as Sir Alex's replacement.

Nick 0208 Ldn · 26th March 2008, 22:49

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Originally Posted by Steev

The radio commentators on 5live suggested Rio was injured. But he carried on playing for the last 20 minutes anyway.

People actually watching the game said he didn't look injured so it appears they were talking shite. Thankfully.

5Live did that a fair bit tonight.

Sam#1 · 26th March 2008, 22:51

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Originally Posted by CnutOfAllCnuts

You really think Sir Alex signs players based on how hyped they are by the media?

In this case, quite possibly.

It reminded me very much of the Rio situation after World Cup 2002.

noodlehair · 26th March 2008, 22:52

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Originally Posted by samabachan

Even Villa fans don't think he played well. "Really off form at the moment" to quote one. Positionally and defensively terrible with not a whole lot going forward. Hargreaves played his role fairly well.

Hargreaves was the holding player. Barry was the one looking to get England playing, and he was making a half decent effort of it.

Hargreaves just did his usual Owen Hargreaves impression. Run about, foul people, take five touches to play backwards pass to defender

marcus agrippa · 26th March 2008, 22:53

wasn't Poborsky signed on the back of a brilliant Euro 96?

Hargreaves is a strong marathon runner. i would love to be proven wrong, but i'm afraid i won't.

Sam#1 · 26th March 2008, 22:53

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Originally Posted by marcus agrippa

wasn't Poborsky signed on the back of a brilliant Euro 96?

Hargreaves is a strong marathon runner. i would love to be proven wrong, but i'm afraid i won't.

Yep.

Instead of Zidane.

samabachan · 26th March 2008, 22:54

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Originally Posted by noodlehair

Hargreaves was the holding player. Barry was the one looking to get England playing, and he was making a half decent effort of it.

Hargreaves just did his usual Owen Hargreaves impression. Run about, foul people, take five touches to play backwards pass to defender

I disagree on both counts but there you go.

samabachan · 26th March 2008, 22:54

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Originally Posted by Sam#1

Yep.

Instead of Zidane.

Do you even remember that?

26th March 2008, 22:09	#442 (permalink)
mehro Has an arse for a face Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 19,207	So was Rio really injured?

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FlawlessThaw most 'know it all' poster Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: London Posts: 9,528	England looked ok in the first half.

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AttackingFlair Reserve Team Player Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Location Location Location ;) Posts: 2,768	Hargreaves was decent, set Downing through with that left foot over the top ball.

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Utd heap First Team Sub Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: At an away ground near you... Posts: 7,494	Thought first half was promising, but second showed a lack of undertsnading of other players, and a distinct lack of idea's. The most worrying thing was the lack of oppurtunities we created.

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Raven_Blade Attention Whoring Common Crow Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Man Utd Will Never Die! Posts: 17,238	I thought Hargreaves did his job very well. Unfortunately when England went forward they lacked ideas and creativity. There was also a lack of movement up front and clear cut chances. It seems that Rooney cannot play up front on his own for England, but he can for Man Utd. I wonder why....

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ralphie88 Bitterer than a bitter Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: http://www.joinmust.org/ Posts: 6,505	I think the conclusion has to be: Carrick > Fletcher > Hargreaves > Barry > Rest of England Team. Something we can all agree on?

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noodlehair Giggsy Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: It is a mistake to think you can solve any major problems just with potatoes. Posts: 31,528	I only saw the first half, but Hargreaves was even poorer than usual during that, and I saw comments on here about how well he was playing. When Anelka rolled him even though he had possession of the ball, me and my brother just started laughing, but It was emabarrasing really Gareth Barry was having a good game, and yet people were slagging him off

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Sam#1 First Team Regular Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Leroy Lita Posts: 13,439	Fergie bought him on the basis of the World Cup IMO. A bit like Rio. Although the difference is, Rio is great, Hargreaves is not.

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Ekeke McFuckwit Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 6,112	It cant have been the World Cup alone though, he must have seen at least the same level of performance while he was at Bayern else he wouldnt have stayed after him for so long. He must have liked what he saw for Bayern also.

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marcus agrippa First Team Sub Join Date: May 2005 Location: "Clattenburg!- Jesus God!" - SAF Posts: 5,423	some geezer up there (mehro) has posted that Rio's injured. this had better not be true, you fuckin gimps. someone reassure and comfort me. i'm easily discombobulated.

26th March 2008, 22:53	#467 (permalink)
marcus agrippa First Team Sub Join Date: May 2005 Location: "Clattenburg!- Jesus God!" - SAF Posts: 5,423	wasn't Poborsky signed on the back of a brilliant Euro 96? Hargreaves is a strong marathon runner. i would love to be proven wrong, but i'm afraid i won't.