Is Gerrard finished as a top level PL player?

Pogue Mahone · 12th January 2012, 16:09

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Gerrard has also agreed to take up an ambassadorial role at Liverpool Football Club once his illustrious playing career draws to a close.

I wonder if they remembered to include a clause which allows him to choose the music at any events he attends on behalf of the club?

golden_blunder · 12th January 2012, 16:10

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illustrious

[insert] gif after gif of diving/cheating [/insert]

Red Dreams · 12th January 2012, 16:11

agree with gb. Gerrard was never at the level of Roy Keane.

Still has a lot to contibute to Liverpool. But he does seem to be injury prone recently.

It may just be a period of bad luck...but if his availablity drops for them, it would be a big loss for them.

Whatever, when fit he is a very good player.

Moriarty · 12th January 2012, 16:12

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Originally Posted by Pogue Mahone

I wonder if they remembered to include a clause which allows him to choose the music at any events he attends on behalf of the club?

And free tickets and backstage passes for Phil Collins concerts too.

cj4_elmo · 12th January 2012, 16:12

This is bad, who to choose from between City and Pool winning the league cup? Wish they could both somehow flop and allow Crystal Palace to knick it.

Damien1990 · 12th January 2012, 16:16

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Originally Posted by golden_blunder

When i try to read that i get a scally voice in my head!

Me too.

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Originally Posted by Wayne_Rooney

More trophiless years to come, poor lad. He clearly is desperate to win the PL, but he knows that he can't leave Liverpool now, not after the reputation he's built up there.

Pretty much. If he wanted to leave I'm sure there'd be some interest, and rcoobc makes a good point that he could probably earn more money going to Asia or America but I think he's like Rooney in the sense that he likes life in England and doesn't really want to go abroad (or at least that's what he'd say).

Dalglish has commented on it now:

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Kenny Dalglish today spoke of his delight after Steven Gerrard put pen to paper on an extension to his Liverpool contract.

Speaking the day after watching his captain drive the Reds to within 90 minutes of the Carling Cup final with the winning goal at Manchester City, Dalglish admits today's news of a new deal is another massive boost for everybody connected with the club.

"It's fantastic for everybody," said the manager. "Over the past couple of years he's had a couple of disappointing spells where he's picked up injuries through no fault of anybody. He picked up a couple of infections which were completely unrelated. He's come back fantastically well and is starting to get himself back to full fitness.

"For us, for Steven and for everybody connected with football club it's fantastic news. We're delighted for him and are looking forward to him getting back to full fitness and working hard for us and with us."

As well as his leadership qualities on the pitch, Dalglish is also grateful for the role his captain plays behind the scenes.

"He does everything. People only see what he does on the pitch," he added. "It's the same for Carra as well who is also influential among the young players. They are two great examples for them to sit and look up to.

"Steven, being the club captain, is very impressive - if there's a problem to be sorted in the dressing room, which isn't very often, he'll deal with it and it doesn't come any further than the dressing room which is fantastic for us. It doesn't happen too often but if it happens he steps in. So he stands up to be counted on and off the pitch. He's been a fantastic servant to the football club so let's hope he gets past his present contract as well.

"He's been here since he was a very young boy. In this day and age there's not many people who go through their football career and represent just one club, especially people with quality like Steven. It's not as if he's been at a football club that's been without success either. If you're happy where you're playing, you're enjoying what you're doing and you enjoy the football club I don't see any reason to move, and it's fantastic for us that he hasn't."

And with a difficult 2011 behind him, Kenny is hoping Gerrard's early 2012 form can be repeated during the months to come.

"He's scored in two of the three games this year. If he keeps that up he'll win the Golden Boot!"

Kenny: Stevie deal is great news - Liverpool FC

Plan M · 12th January 2012, 17:03

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Originally Posted by cj4_elmo

This is bad, who to choose from between City and Pool winning the league cup? Wish they could both somehow flop and allow Crystal Palace to knick it.

Couldn't give a shite if City won the thing. Seeing Liverpool not get to Wembley for another season would be hilarious too.

Excal · 12th January 2012, 17:12

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Is Gerrard finished as a top level PL player?

Yes, he'll be forced to spend the rest of his playing days at Liverpool.

Randall Flagg · 12th January 2012, 17:16

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Originally Posted by cj4_elmo

This is bad, who to choose from between City and Pool winning the league cup? Wish they could both somehow flop and allow Crystal Palace to knick it.

Stranger things have happened

When Liverpool won it a few years ago against Birmingham under Trevor Francis they were a division below. It went all the way to a penalty shootout. Think it was Andy Johnson who missed the crucial pen giving Pool the cup

Damien1990 · 12th January 2012, 17:19

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Originally Posted by Excal

Yes, he'll be forced to spend the rest of his playing days at Liverpool.

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Originally Posted by cj4_elmo

This is bad, who to choose from between City and Pool winning the league cup? Wish they could both somehow flop and allow Crystal Palace to knick it.

Anything could happen, as shown by Arsenal v Birmingham last season (though Birmingham was a top flight side at the time)

Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber · 12th January 2012, 17:54

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Originally Posted by retardman5

Really ????. I seem to remember him playing in both games in 1998/99 season when we did the double over Arsenal. The season after, he was totally dominant against Arsenal's midfield at Anfield when we won 4-0. He had Roy Keane in his back pocket in the 2-0 League Cup final victory. Scored a beauty in a 3-1 win against United in the 2001/02 season. Also played in the 1-0 win at OT that same season - Of course, he didn't always come out on top. But considering the differing levels of quality amongst the 3 sides, that's hardly surprising really. But to say that Keane & Vieira 'bullied' Gerrard on a regular basis, is selective memory at best, laughable at worse.

Typical...I bet you don't remember his abject perfomance in midfield costing you 3 goals in a champions league final. Until Rafa Benitez has the good sense to bring on Hamann in that position at half time and push him upfront. A game that was the perfect example of what shit central midfielder Gerard has always been.

Reapersoul20 · 12th January 2012, 18:13

Great player; criminally underrated here. Had he played for United we'd probably consider him equal to Rooney.

Bringing some belief and spirit back into a shit Liverpool team, not exactly something that's easy to do.

rcoobc · 12th January 2012, 18:21

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Originally Posted by Damien1990

Anything could happen, as shown by Arsenal v Birmingham last season (though Birmingham was a top flight side at the time)

As shown by this amazing post here: Football 365's top 10 managers of 2011

Birmingham actually had a pretty decent 2011 as well, getting more points than either of the other sides that went down.

Damien1990 · 12th January 2012, 18:37

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Originally Posted by rcoobc

As shown by this amazing post here: Football 365's top 10 managers of 2011

Birmingham actually had a pretty decent 2011 as well, getting more points than either of the other sides that went down.

Yeah, they did. When the actual match happened, I don't think that many would have been surprised if Birmingham did win it, though I don't know whether that says more about Birmingham or Arsenal.

Arsenal were having a great season until that match including beating Barcelona. And then in the space of a couple of weeks they lost the Carling Cup, got knocked out of the Champions League and the FA Cup.

Cheesy · 12th January 2012, 20:25

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Originally Posted by Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber

Typical...I bet you don't remember his abject perfomance in midfield costing you 3 goals in a champions league final. Until Rafa Benitez has the good sense to bring on Hamann in that position at half time and push him upfront. A game that was the perfect example of what shit central midfielder Gerard has always been.

Randall Flagg · 12th January 2012, 20:27

I think Red Indian believe Gerrard has only ever looked good when played further forward.

He is wrong of course.

Gerrard has looked good both as a supporting forward and in midfield

SteveJ · 12th January 2012, 20:28

Good grief, I'm not being unkind but...what has happened to Dalglish lately??

Randall Flagg · 12th January 2012, 20:29

Looks like Worzel Gummidge

De Selby · 12th January 2012, 20:34

Comolli's got that look.

The look that screams 'It'd be worth being placed on the register just to get a grope of that camera lady's knockers'.

B19 · 12th January 2012, 20:40

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Originally Posted by SteveJ

Good grief, I'm not being unkind but...what has happened to Dalglish lately??

Looks like he got himself a new haircut.

duffer · 12th January 2012, 20:42

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Originally Posted by SteveJ

Good grief, I'm not being unkind but...what has happened to Dalglish lately??

He is slowly turning into Janette Krankie.

Crispy71 · 12th January 2012, 20:43

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Originally Posted by SteveJ

Good grief, I'm not being unkind but...what has happened to Dalglish lately??

Has the look of a wino.

Damien1990 · 12th January 2012, 20:48

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Originally Posted by De Selby

Comolli's got that look.

The look that screams 'It'd be worth being placed on the register just to get a grope of that camera lady's knockers'.

My thought too:

Spoiler

or the even worse version where they keep their haircuts...

Spoiler

Kraftwerker · 12th January 2012, 20:52

Kenny is a shambles.

SteveJ · 12th January 2012, 20:53

Darron Gibson: Son of Comolli.

Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber · 12th January 2012, 21:07

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Originally Posted by cheesy

Deny it all you want. Its not by coincidence his pairing with Lampard was fucking awful for England most of the time for example.

Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber · 12th January 2012, 21:10

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Originally Posted by Randall Flagg

I think Red Indian believe Gerrard has only ever looked good when played further forward.

He is wrong of course.

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Originally Posted by Randall Flagg

Gerrard has looked good both as a supporting forward and in midfield

All Gerard's best seasons as a player to date have come with him employed as a second striker and a right winger. It isnt a coincidence.

MadDogg · 13th January 2012, 04:58

Gerrard was never a shit central midfielder. He was, however, inconsistent there. He'd be brilliant one game, dominating the central area and virtually dragging Liverpool kicking and screaming to the win. The very next match he'd have hollywood balls flying all over the place, getting caught out of position, and actually be hurting his teams chances of playing as a team.

He was certainly best when pushed further forward than those central two (either on the wing or second striker), but saying he was a shit midfielder is going a bit too far. I've always wondered what kind of midfielder he could've turned into if he was at a better team where he could rely on his team-mates doing their job. Perhaps he would've been more disciplined in that situation, instead of the 'must force everything to happen when I want' that he often is at Liverpool.

Mick1991 · 13th January 2012, 05:07

His big problem was always his inability to control the tempo (from center mid), whether that would have come with experience or not, who knows?

Too old know to get the knack of it now, I'd imagine.

Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber · 13th January 2012, 06:42

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Originally Posted by MadDogg

Gerrard was never a shit central midfielder. He was, however, inconsistent there.

No. He was shit there. People just loved his all action style so much, without ever caring about how positionally senseless he was in the role. The few times he'd shine in that role was because of his amazing engine and leadership powers rather than because he was bringing genuine quality to the role.

The difference between him as a pure central midfielder and him as either a traditional all out attacking midfielder or support forward is too huge in terms of consistent quality to just put it down to inconsistency on his part in a deeper role.

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...I've always wondered what kind of midfielder he could've turned into if he was at a better team where he could rely on his team-mates doing their job....

I really hate that excuse. This is a fellow who played alongside men like Sissoko and Hamman, two of the better defensive mdifelders on the planet. Even Xabi Alonso and later Mascherano. Yet he never ever proved a consistently quality partner for any of them. On top of looking plain lost at times the way he almost always looked alongside Lampard for England.

He has always looked constrained and caged in playing in center midfield. Yet in a freer attacking midfield role he was always one of the best a round. Still is. He has simply never been a quality central midfielder. He is the embodiment of an all action trequartista.

cw1984 · 14th January 2012, 12:22

Oh my word Phil Thompson is literally sat with an erection whilst waxing lyrical about "Stevie G" right now.

acnumber9 · 14th January 2012, 12:27

Vomit inducing. Had to laugh when they talked about him giving off about a bad back pass.

sammsky1 · 14th January 2012, 13:14

Er, no. Silly thread

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12th January 2012, 16:11	#123 (permalink)
Red Dreams First Team Regular Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Thunder Road to Old Trafford Posts: 23,454	agree with gb. Gerrard was never at the level of Roy Keane. Still has a lot to contibute to Liverpool. But he does seem to be injury prone recently. It may just be a period of bad luck...but if his availablity drops for them, it would be a big loss for them. Whatever, when fit he is a very good player.

12th January 2012, 16:12	#125 (permalink)
cj4_elmo Reserve Team Player Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: AKA: Slapanut Goat Smuggla Posts: 3,318	This is bad, who to choose from between City and Pool winning the league cup? Wish they could both somehow flop and allow Crystal Palace to knick it.

12th January 2012, 18:13	#132 (permalink)
Reapersoul20 Reserve Team Player Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Ireland Posts: 2,926	Great player; criminally underrated here. Had he played for United we'd probably consider him equal to Rooney. Bringing some belief and spirit back into a shit Liverpool team, not exactly something that's easy to do.

12th January 2012, 20:27	#136 (permalink)
Randall Flagg Scarlett woman ( Frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn ) Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 16,681	I think Red Indian believe Gerrard has only ever looked good when played further forward. He is wrong of course. Gerrard has looked good both as a supporting forward and in midfield

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SteveJ Nicest fella on the Caf and Newbie of the Year 2011 Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: The Divided Kingdom Posts: 11,927	Good grief, I'm not being unkind but...what has happened to Dalglish lately??

12th January 2012, 20:29	#138 (permalink)
Randall Flagg Scarlett woman ( Frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn ) Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 16,681	Looks like Worzel Gummidge

12th January 2012, 20:34	#139 (permalink)
De Selby Likes them tattooed and bald Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Look at that fucker Dance. Posts: 4,705	Comolli's got that look. The look that screams 'It'd be worth being placed on the register just to get a grope of that camera lady's knockers'.

12th January 2012, 20:52	#144 (permalink)
Kraftwerker Formerly RedAddict Join Date: May 2008 Location: We can't stop here. This is bat country. Posts: 9,120	Kenny is a shambles.

12th January 2012, 20:53	#145 (permalink)
SteveJ Nicest fella on the Caf and Newbie of the Year 2011 Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: The Divided Kingdom Posts: 11,927	Darron Gibson: Son of Comolli.

13th January 2012, 04:58	#148 (permalink)
MadDogg First Team Sub Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: “Manchester United never lose, they just run out of time” Posts: 6,869	Gerrard was never a shit central midfielder. He was, however, inconsistent there. He'd be brilliant one game, dominating the central area and virtually dragging Liverpool kicking and screaming to the win. The very next match he'd have hollywood balls flying all over the place, getting caught out of position, and actually be hurting his teams chances of playing as a team. He was certainly best when pushed further forward than those central two (either on the wing or second striker), but saying he was a shit midfielder is going a bit too far. I've always wondered what kind of midfielder he could've turned into if he was at a better team where he could rely on his team-mates doing their job. Perhaps he would've been more disciplined in that situation, instead of the 'must force everything to happen when I want' that he often is at Liverpool.

13th January 2012, 05:07	#149 (permalink)
Mick1991 First Team Sub Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Ireland Posts: 6,071	His big problem was always his inability to control the tempo (from center mid), whether that would have come with experience or not, who knows? Too old know to get the knack of it now, I'd imagine.

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cw1984 Compulsive wanker Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Guiding Cardiff to the promised land just so I can wipe that smug fucking grin of Cider's face. Posts: 24,006	Oh my word Phil Thompson is literally sat with an erection whilst waxing lyrical about "Stevie G" right now.

14th January 2012, 12:27	#152 (permalink)
acnumber9 Reserve Team Player Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 3,225	Vomit inducing. Had to laugh when they talked about him giving off about a bad back pass.

14th January 2012, 13:14	#153 (permalink)
sammsky1 First Team Regular Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Behind my  Posts: 10,764	Er, no. Silly thread