Howard Webb's Performance

Boss · 11th July 2010, 22:17

Oh so controversial!

Not the best reception he got there from the Dutch fans for the card happy ref

How do you rate his performance and his decision not to call that foul at the end?

What was strange for me, was he was so prone to giving fouls for blatant dives, then at the end he said 'nada' where's the consistency?

Ramos clearly stepped across the poor lad

Allforone · 11th July 2010, 22:18

Cowardly sums it up best.

adexkola · 11th July 2010, 22:18

He made one mistake. He was very good, held his calm throughout

If I was Webb, I would have sent all those player off for just being despicable cunts

RonaldoVII · 11th July 2010, 22:19

I think he did the best anyone could have done. The majority, if not all, of the yellows were correct and he tried to keep the spectacle. The right team won so credit for that.

Claymore · 11th July 2010, 22:20

Overall I thought he did well, some mistakes in there but he tried to give the game a chance where he could. Should have dealt with the card waving and play acting better though. Was a tricky game for him, Holland did lots of fouls and Spain did lots of diving/rolling.

Myxomatosis · 11th July 2010, 22:20

Should have sent De Jong off for sure. Van Bommel too for various combinations of fouls he made (and perhaps a straight red for the Iniesta tackle).

kouroux · 11th July 2010, 22:20

He was shit as per his PL performances

Randall Flagg · 11th July 2010, 22:21

God help him if he gets any CL matches in Holland next season

B Cantona · 11th July 2010, 22:21

What's he meant to do, when both teams are engaging in such levels of gamesmanship, cheating and frankly, thuggery?

I thought he handled it about as well as he could. He was only conned once, and how the Dutch can complain given the leniency he showed their players is incredible

He could and maybe should have sent a few of the Dutch off earlier, but it would have spoiled the game too. That said, not as if the game was any good anyway

Instant Karma · 11th July 2010, 22:21

8/10.

Should have sent off De Jong but otherwise had a good game.

Cina · 11th July 2010, 22:21

He'll get a horrible treatment now, but it was an awful, awful game to have to officiate. Both teams, more-so the Dutch were just despicable at times.

When you have to make that many decisions you're always going to make mistakes, and I think overall he did well.

Zen · 11th July 2010, 22:22

The Dutch fucking beat the shit out of Spain, they were lucky to make it to extra time with 11 men really.

Still, that missed block on Elia that lead to the goal was awful, not giving Iniesta a yellow for reacting to Van Bommel(however much I loved it) was wrong, not giving a red to the boot to the chest(despite the fact I like that he likes to keep 11v11 for as long as possible) was wrong.

He can control the players well, but he simply makes too many mistakes, I think the board looks at him and see another bald guy who can control the players so he must be good like Collina, but he's not, saved quite often by his superb linesmen, I'll give them credit.

Mozza · 11th July 2010, 22:22

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Originally Posted by RonaldoVII

The right team won so credit for that.

Don't know about that, neither team played well

noodlehair · 11th July 2010, 22:22

He was alright except for sending a player off incorrectly and failing to send off a player for denying a goal scoring opportunity.

So yeah, apart from pretty much deciding the outcome of the game, he was fine.

Not that any ref would have had a chance with that amunt of cheating going on

CheadleBeagle · 11th July 2010, 22:23

Was trying hard not to send anyone off. The Dutch did not help him by deciding to kick Spain off the field. He missed the corner that the Dutch should have had near the end and he probably should have given a free kick when Puyol grabbed Robben but other than that he was great. The Dutch could have had more people sent off the way they behaved.

F-Red · 11th July 2010, 22:23

He had a good game, the dutch didn't make it easy for him & i guess given it was a final he didn't want to red card someone unless humanly possible.

I'm pretty sure he'll be used as a scapegoat in Holland though, which is a shame as they've only got themselves to blame.

goldenballs · 11th July 2010, 22:23

Did well considering there was 20 cunts on the pitch, it was only the goal keepers that truly behaved. Also Holland were a tad filthy.

So in fairness to Webb, I couldn't what more he could have done.

redhoop · 11th July 2010, 22:23

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Originally Posted by RonaldoVII

I think he did the best anyone could have done. The majority, if not all, of the yellows were correct and he tried to keep the spectacle. The right team won so credit for that.

Yup - agree with this. Not a Webb fan generally but this was a nightmare scenario. Keeping the game flowing and trying to keep all the players on the pitch with the behaviour of the Dutch in particular and some Spanish chaps was pretty much impossible to pull off without making any errors. So yeah, he made a couple but overall he did as well as could be expected.

decorativeed · 11th July 2010, 22:24

Brad's said it best so far - totally agree with that.

Ole's_toe_poke · 11th July 2010, 22:24

I thought he was alright.

He can't do much if the Dutch behave as thugs.

Mozza · 11th July 2010, 22:24

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Originally Posted by Ole's_toe_poke

I thought he was alright.

He can't do much if the Dutch behave as thugs.

Yes he can, you send players off

Cold_Boy · 11th July 2010, 22:25

He did well.

He is a human ffs.

ooeat0meoo · 11th July 2010, 22:25

Seconds prior to the Spain goal, Webb is standing looking directly at the Spanish lined up to block the Dutch foul-kick... miraculously it BOUNCES off a 'moving - if not to direct the ball' arm of a Spanish player....

The result - Casillas gets the ball for a goal kick.

Typical Webb fuck-up

I'd say that's controversial!

Crerand Legend · 11th July 2010, 22:26

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Originally Posted by B Cantona

What's he meant to do, when both teams are engaging in such levels of gamesmanship, cheating and frankly, thuggery?

I thought he handled it about as well as he could. He was only conned once, and how the Dutch can complain given the leniency he showed their players is incredible

He could and maybe should have sent a few of the Dutch off earlier, but it would have spoiled the game too. That said, not as if the game was any good anyway

Couldnt argue with any of that

rednev · 11th July 2010, 22:26

He wasn't that bad.

The problem was he had so many decisions to make, he was bound to get one of them wrong. All but one or two of the many calls he had to make were correct.

kouroux · 11th July 2010, 22:26

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Originally Posted by B Cantona

What's he meant to do, when both teams are engaging in such levels of gamesmanship, cheating and frankly, thuggery?

I thought he handled it about as well as he could. He was only conned once, and how the Dutch can complain given the leniency he showed their players is incredible

He could and maybe should have sent a few of the Dutch off earlier, but it would have spoiled the game too. That said, not as if the game was any good anyway

He ain't there to show pity.There is a certain extent and De Jong's foul really deserved a proper red card.There is no way one could justify why he wasn't sent off.

Rooney1987 · 11th July 2010, 22:26

Agreed with Brad I feel sorry for Webb one side you have a bunch of thugs other bunch of diving fairies. With it being the final aswell he can't win really.

M160RA · 11th July 2010, 22:27

To be fair, it would have been a very difficult game for any referee. All the cards he dished out were fair. It was just that sort of a game.

I do think Puyol was lucky not to be sent off for that tug on Robben, but had Robben gone down it might have been a different story (which is one of the most unfair aspects of football).

solvista · 11th July 2010, 22:27

The Dutch in my nieghbourhood are livid. They reckon they were screwed over by Webb, actually they called him "....that fucking English referee.".

It doesn't help that we're in spain and we'll have to listen to the fireworks for the next four years. I hate seeing spanish people happy at the best of times, but being made happy by an englishman is even worse for me.

goldenballs · 11th July 2010, 22:27

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Originally Posted by Mozza

Yes he can, you send players off

Yes he should have sent whoever it was that done that karate kick in the chest, but it would have totally ruined the game very early on.
So basically he was damned if he did, and damned if he didn't!!

RonaldoVII · 11th July 2010, 22:28

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Originally Posted by Mozza

Don't know about that, neither team played well

One was trying to win.

B Cantona · 11th July 2010, 22:28

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Originally Posted by kouroux

He ain't there to show pity.There is a certain extent and De Jong's foul really deserved a proper red card.There is no way one could justify why he wasn't sent off.

Van Bommel's was the worse challenge for me, an absolute shocker from behind

He's not there to show pity no, but you can understand him not wanting to see the game ruined to early

Pscholes18 · 11th July 2010, 22:28

Every time a Spain player was touched, foul. Elia gets raped and nothing called, Spain go on the break and score. Pathetic. Not to mention a clear corner for the Dutch that was for some reason called a goal kick.

Mozza · 11th July 2010, 22:29

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Originally Posted by RonaldoVII

One was trying to win.

In the second half onwards the game was even for chances, hardly one way

F-Red · 11th July 2010, 22:29

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Originally Posted by Pscholes18

Elia gets raped and nothing called,

You must be blind, 2 players got in the way of him and he went down like a sack of shit. There was no foul.

Mozza · 11th July 2010, 22:30

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Originally Posted by goldenballs

Yes he should have sent whoever it was that done that karate kick in the chest, but it would have totally ruined the game very early on.
So basically he was damned if he did, and damned if he didn't!!

I don't think anyone would have complained having seen the foul

Shimo · 11th July 2010, 22:30

The handball and then no corner before Spain scored was befuddling.

Dutch played rough, Spain played like a bunch of girls falling over and cheating any chance they got.

Webb did a good job overall. That FIFA doesn't do more to curb the card waving is disgusting; should make that a yellow card offense if people wave imaginary cards.

goldenballs · 11th July 2010, 22:31

Quote:

Originally Posted by B Cantona

Van Bommel's was the worse challenge for me, an absolute shocker from behind

He's not there to show pity no, but you can understand him not wanting to see the game ruined to early

Oh, I don't know about that Brad, the chest kick was terrible could quite easily have bust his rib cage. It was an act of hooliganism, if that had happened on the high street he would have been arrested
.

kouroux · 11th July 2010, 22:31

Quote:

Originally Posted by B Cantona

Van Bommel's was the worse challenge for me, an absolute shocker from behind

He's not there to show pity no, but you can understand him not wanting to see the game ruined to early

I can understand it if I'm a neutral football fan and if I wanna have a supposedly entertaining match but if I'm a referee no I cannot understand his ridiculous decision to not send off De Jong or Bommel.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pscholes18

Every time a Spain player was touched, foul. Elia gets raped and nothing called, Spain go on the break and score. Pathetic. Not to mention a clear corner for the Dutch that was for some reason called a goal kick.

How on earth did he miss that ? What were his linesman doing ? It makes you wonder how both of them could miss it

Mozza · 11th July 2010, 22:31

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Originally Posted by F-Red

You must be blind, 2 players got in the way of him and he went down like a sack of shit. There was no foul.

Ofcoure it is

11th July 2010, 22:17	#1 (permalink)
Boss Melodramatic, attention seeking space-attacker Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: I left you with enough memories to resurrect me with Posts: 24,283	Howard Webb's Performance Oh so controversial! Not the best reception he got there from the Dutch fans for the card happy ref How do you rate his performance and his decision not to call that foul at the end? What was strange for me, was he was so prone to giving fouls for blatant dives, then at the end he said 'nada' where's the consistency? Ramos clearly stepped across the poor lad

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11th July 2010, 22:18	#2 (permalink)
Allforone First Team Regular Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: United could spend £85million on David De Gea, Phil Jones, Ashley Young and Wesley Sneijder. Quote: Liverpool spent £85million on Andy Carroll, Jordan Henderson, Charlie Adam and Stewart Downing. Posts: 11,646	Cowardly sums it up best.

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adexkola First Team Sub Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Brooklyn, Connecticut. Onwards and upwards. "Take me home, United Road." Posts: 9,810	He made one mistake. He was very good, held his calm throughout If I was Webb, I would have sent all those player off for just being despicable cunts

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RonaldoVII First Team Regular Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: E236:24:101 PSN:FrozenInHell BetfairPromo: UTFAKVVTJ Posts: 12,090	I think he did the best anyone could have done. The majority, if not all, of the yellows were correct and he tried to keep the spectacle. The right team won so credit for that.

11th July 2010, 22:20	#5 (permalink)
Claymore Reserve Team Player Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Technical difficulties Posts: 2,029	Overall I thought he did well, some mistakes in there but he tried to give the game a chance where he could. Should have dealt with the card waving and play acting better though. Was a tricky game for him, Holland did lots of fouls and Spain did lots of diving/rolling.

11th July 2010, 22:20	#6 (permalink)
Myxomatosis United fan? My arse. WUM masquerades Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 4,817	Should have sent De Jong off for sure. Van Bommel too for various combinations of fouls he made (and perhaps a straight red for the Iniesta tackle).

11th July 2010, 22:20	#7 (permalink)
kouroux First Team Regular Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Djibouti (La terre des braves) Posts: 25,550	He was shit as per his PL performances

11th July 2010, 22:21	#8 (permalink)
Randall Flagg Scarlett woman ( Frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn ) Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 16,681	God help him if he gets any CL matches in Holland next season

11th July 2010, 22:21	#9 (permalink)
B Cantona Desperate Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Hated, Adored, Never Ignored Posts: 40,427	What's he meant to do, when both teams are engaging in such levels of gamesmanship, cheating and frankly, thuggery? I thought he handled it about as well as he could. He was only conned once, and how the Dutch can complain given the leniency he showed their players is incredible He could and maybe should have sent a few of the Dutch off earlier, but it would have spoiled the game too. That said, not as if the game was any good anyway

11th July 2010, 22:21	#10 (permalink)
Instant Karma Closet Gooner Join Date: May 2006 Location: Fletchcafe - Population: 5 (May 2006) Posts: 7,153	8/10. Should have sent off De Jong but otherwise had a good game.

11th July 2010, 22:21	#11 (permalink)
Cina I hate everything Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: :noitacoL Posts: 13,939	He'll get a horrible treatment now, but it was an awful, awful game to have to officiate. Both teams, more-so the Dutch were just despicable at times. When you have to make that many decisions you're always going to make mistakes, and I think overall he did well.

11th July 2010, 22:22	#12 (permalink)
Zen First Team Sub Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Prophetville! Posts: 6,383	The Dutch fucking beat the shit out of Spain, they were lucky to make it to extra time with 11 men really. Still, that missed block on Elia that lead to the goal was awful, not giving Iniesta a yellow for reacting to Van Bommel(however much I loved it) was wrong, not giving a red to the boot to the chest(despite the fact I like that he likes to keep 11v11 for as long as possible) was wrong. He can control the players well, but he simply makes too many mistakes, I think the board looks at him and see another bald guy who can control the players so he must be good like Collina, but he's not, saved quite often by his superb linesmen, I'll give them credit.

11th July 2010, 22:22	#14 (permalink)
noodlehair "It's like..." Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Flagg Posts: 2,095	He was alright except for sending a player off incorrectly and failing to send off a player for denying a goal scoring opportunity. So yeah, apart from pretty much deciding the outcome of the game, he was fine. Not that any ref would have had a chance with that amunt of cheating going on

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CheadleBeagle Reserve Team Player Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Only in Canada. Pity! Posts: 1,939	Was trying hard not to send anyone off. The Dutch did not help him by deciding to kick Spain off the field. He missed the corner that the Dutch should have had near the end and he probably should have given a free kick when Puyol grabbed Robben but other than that he was great. The Dutch could have had more people sent off the way they behaved.

11th July 2010, 22:23	#16 (permalink)
F-Red First Team Sub Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Over there Posts: 5,435	He had a good game, the dutch didn't make it easy for him & i guess given it was a final he didn't want to red card someone unless humanly possible. I'm pretty sure he'll be used as a scapegoat in Holland though, which is a shame as they've only got themselves to blame.

11th July 2010, 22:23	#17 (permalink)
goldenballs Victoria's secret Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Super North Wales Posts: 11,966	Did well considering there was 20 cunts on the pitch, it was only the goal keepers that truly behaved. Also Holland were a tad filthy. So in fairness to Webb, I couldn't what more he could have done.

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decorativeed First Team Sub Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Chorlton Posts: 6,190	Brad's said it best so far - totally agree with that.

11th July 2010, 22:24	#20 (permalink)
Ole's_toe_poke First Team Regular Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 18,932	I thought he was alright. He can't do much if the Dutch behave as thugs.

11th July 2010, 22:25	#22 (permalink)
Cold_Boy Banned Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: London,UK Posts: 17,368	He did well. He is a human ffs.

11th July 2010, 22:25	#23 (permalink)
ooeat0meoo Member of the Muppet Empire Join Date: Jan 2000 Location: My Happy Place - So Don't Be Fucking With Me! Posts: 10,040	Seconds prior to the Spain goal, Webb is standing looking directly at the Spanish lined up to block the Dutch foul-kick... miraculously it BOUNCES off a 'moving - if not to direct the ball' arm of a Spanish player.... The result - Casillas gets the ball for a goal kick. Typical Webb fuck-up I'd say that's controversial!

11th July 2010, 22:26	#25 (permalink)
rednev Suarez of the year Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 18,828	He wasn't that bad. The problem was he had so many decisions to make, he was bound to get one of them wrong. All but one or two of the many calls he had to make were correct.

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Rooney1987 Reserve Team Player Join Date: May 2006 Location: Bradford Posts: 4,456	Agreed with Brad I feel sorry for Webb one side you have a bunch of thugs other bunch of diving fairies. With it being the final aswell he can't win really.

11th July 2010, 22:27	#28 (permalink)
M160RA First Team Sub Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 5,046	To be fair, it would have been a very difficult game for any referee. All the cards he dished out were fair. It was just that sort of a game. I do think Puyol was lucky not to be sent off for that tug on Robben, but had Robben gone down it might have been a different story (which is one of the most unfair aspects of football).

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solvista Shawshank redemption Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: I've given the world this riddle, it's mine ©2010. AdZzUtd® Posts: 13,126	The Dutch in my nieghbourhood are livid. They reckon they were screwed over by Webb, actually they called him "....that fucking English referee.". It doesn't help that we're in spain and we'll have to listen to the fireworks for the next four years. I hate seeing spanish people happy at the best of times, but being made happy by an englishman is even worse for me.

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Pscholes18 Reserve Team Player Join Date: Jul 1999 Location: Fresno, CA Posts: 1,932	Every time a Spain player was touched, foul. Elia gets raped and nothing called, Spain go on the break and score. Pathetic. Not to mention a clear corner for the Dutch that was for some reason called a goal kick.

11th July 2010, 22:30	#37 (permalink)
Shimo Reserve Team Player Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 4,968	The handball and then no corner before Spain scored was befuddling. Dutch played rough, Spain played like a bunch of girls falling over and cheating any chance they got. Webb did a good job overall. That FIFA doesn't do more to curb the card waving is disgusting; should make that a yellow card offense if people wave imaginary cards.