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£35m on the new Kevin Davies.

Dalglish has potential to be a United hero, just like his predecessors.

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Torres 48m Babel 6m
Suarez 23 Carroll 35



Did I miss something?

Doogie

Yes, the tower of Babel.

Kraftwerker

It's funny, last season H&G were the worst in the world for 'only' signing the likes of Aquilani (£20m) and Johnson (£18m).

Everytime you pointed out to the scousers that they'd spent nearly £40m on two players, they'd come back and tell you that it didn't count because they'd sold Alonso to fund the deal.

NESV do basically the exact same with the Torres money, only investing the cash received and no more, but they're heroes and Kenny's a genius?

Braindead.

B19

Kenny told the owners to spend, so they did.

All hail the King.

Lance Uppercut

Odd that the owners would blow that amount of money on the orders of a caretaker.

B19

This is why you have a director of football in charge of these things. Your transfer strategy becomes less reliant on the incumbent manager.

CnutOfAllCnuts

Wouldn't your "transfer strategy" depend on what players the manager would prefer in his team?

Are all Liverpool fans brainwashed?

B19

You don't really know how it normally works with a director of football outside the tabloid renditions given in the British press, do you?

rocks13

[QUOTE=B9;9140483]Listening to him speak, it makes me wonder how Hodgson ever managed to be so goddamn awful when speaking to the press and fans. Kenny is brilliant.

I totally disagree with the article though. If there is one thing that is a given, it is that he will motivate these players. That is his forté as a manager. He instills confidence in his teams. And as for the present team, they may be millionaires, but regardles sof how much they've slept in class they will all know that the man in the dressing room is a living legend, has won everything as a player, won everything he could win as a manager, played with the best and then managed them. The only players I can think of who could be too big for their boots against a manager are Gerrard, Torres and Carragher (the latter moreso due to his long stint as a senior local player moreso than being ace these days) and stevie and carra wouldn't fucking dare blink if Kenny told them not to and it's wellknown that Torres idolises Dalglish himself.

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Hmmmm, clearly doesn't idolise him enough to want to actually play for him.

spinoza

Directors of football are needed when your manager isn't really that good, and can't run the scouting network.

Admittedly, good managers are in short supply. We happen to have one, you apparently don't.

CnutOfAllCnuts

Better than you, boy.

B19

Been lots of stuff I wouldn't have seen coming form Torres this past week.

"It's my destiny to score against my former club."

He's had an absolute shocker of a week.

B19

That's racist.

sincher

Well, that's probably not the way he sees it.

Sam.G

He's a walking soundbite.

BaldwinLegend

To be fair, your comment does make it look very much as if you don't understand the role a director of football typically has.

CnutOfAllCnuts

Well, you Scouse fans do have a habit of talking out of your arse.

You probably seen some Scouse fan post that Torres idolised Dalglish, and you do buy most of the Scouse myths.

Brainwashed.

CnutOfAllCnuts

To be fair, I perfectly understand it.

I also understand it to be totally uneccessary. Can you imagine Sir Alex having to work with a "Director of football"?

Sam.G

This thread is about the King.

Just bow down to the King, cnutofallcnuts.

CnutOfAllCnuts

I do, every day.

Eric was great.

Sam.G

There is only one King. I knows it, you knows it, everyone knows it.

Now bow to him, please. Like a good pleb.

CnutOfAllCnuts

You are obviously right. There's only one king. And he played for United.

Some rumour going around that a drunk, Scottish pleb paid Newcastle £35m for one of their players two days ago.

I don't believe it though. No newcastle players are worth even 50% of that.

BaldwinLegend

So you've decided it to be 'totally unnecessary' based on the fact that Alex Ferguson doesn't need one?

A complete lack of logic there - SAF is increasingly becoming a kind of freak occurrence, both in his ability to stay in the job as long as he has and in the degree of power he wields at his club. Increasingly in England, and uniformly in Germany, Spain and other European countries clubs employ someone as a director of football. What you deem as 'totally unnecessary' is the norm elsewhere and becoming so here.

You can't use SAF's ability to operate without a director of football as a sole reason to criticise something that is now common practice, it makes zero sense.

CnutOfAllCnuts

I didn't use Sir Alex as a proof, but as an example.

A manager worth his salt should obviously take care of transfers and player purchases himself. It's simple. The manager identify the players he wants, and leaves it to the chairman to make the deals. I.e. a "director of football" is not necessary.

B19

Cnut is more interested in scoring points than being rational.

Which would be alright, except that all his posts reek of un-funniness and he doesn't seem to be happy if he can't yank someone's dummy out and get away with it.

BaldwinLegend

So half the clubs in the Premier League and almost all top European clubs have it wrong, in your humble opinion?

CnutOfAllCnuts

Yes.

I think it undermines the manager, creates a lack of clear roles of responsibilites etc.

How can a manager be held responsible for results, when he is not responsible for picking the players at his disposal?

Look at Real Madrid for a start. Sacking manager after manager, when it is that gimp Valdano and the various presidents that buys the players.

CnutOfAllCnuts

Yes, clearly...

You're brainwashed.

BaldwinLegend

So now you're using Real Madrid as an example?

Nice one.

Cnut's lesson of the day in stating the obvious: run your club like Manchester United, not like Real Madrid.

With piercing, forthright analysis like that which you've provided here today, it's a wonder that all these well run Bundesliga clubs are carrying on in their ignorant ways, employing Directors of Football...

spinoza

Good managers don't need it - Wenger and Ferguson don't, Mourinho swallows having to work with one for Real and Chelsea but resents losing the control, and to be fair he probably doesn't need one either. If you know your team, and know your tactics, and know how to spot talent - you don't need a director of football.

CnutOfAllCnuts

And the biggest of all those well-run Bundesliga clubs are a model of stability and calm...

CnutOfAllCnuts

I.e. if you know your job as a manager of a football club.

BaldwinLegend

I seriously think the only reason you're arguing against this is because Liverpool have appointed a director of football and you've made some freaky decision that you, as a Norwegian, hate everything associated with Liverpool FC.

I think that in itself displays a lack of rational thinking, as do most of the increasingly boring and poxy arguments you indulge in here.

The reason the role of director of football has such a bad name amongst the British football press and fans is because it's associated with poorly made decisions (often involving dodgy foreign owners) such as Dennis Wise at Newcastle and Avram Grant's appointment at Chelsea during Mourinho's reign.

That doesn't make the role 'totally unnecessary' - it makes those appointments foolhardy. Meanwhile, plenty of clubs elsewhere on the continent continue to use it as a successful model to run their clubs.

CnutOfAllCnuts

Blimey.

What's my nationality got to do with it?

I've never liked the set-up with a "director of football". From an organisational and hierarchally I can't see how it is more effective than having the manager being responsible for the job the director of football is doing.

Nothing to do with Liverpool, being Norwegian, Dennis Wise or any other of your rant.

spinoza

It's unnecessary, if your manager has the nous to run the scouting himself, or deigns to pays close attention to his youth team. Clubs do it because they hire the wrong manager.

BaldwinLegend

So all European clubs with Director's of Football have them because they've hired the wrong manager?

Do you know how many scouts United and Ferguson use? Or how many other well chosen employees Ferguson relies upon to delegate duties to?

I'm only playing devil's advocate here, but it's a different job to the one Brian Clough did, or even SAF faced when he first came to United. It comprises of far too many duties now to be taken on by one man - hence clubs looking to appoint director's of football. Men who have been in the job as long as Ferguson and Wenger, who've clearly established themselves and won the trust of their board, don't need someone appointed for them to share the load. However, PL clubs will certainly increasingly look to appoint people in that role as the job of managing a PL team becomes ever more demanding...

Sam.G

This is quite clearly bullshit, spinoza.

BaldwinLegend

It's not a rant. You habitually display irrational bias based on your dislike of rival clubs.

Mentioning Dennis Wise is also not part of a rant. I'm simply pointing out that it was his and other ill-advised appointments that have created this negative impression of that particular model for running a club.

CnutOfAllCnuts

Eh, exactly, Sir Alex delegates. That's the job of the manager. By doing that, he also sits both with the responsibility and the decision making.

Spinoza is half right in saying they employ directors of football because they've hired the wrong managers. I'd add two more factors: 1) the owners/boards don't trust the managers and 2) the owners/boards use a director of football in order to keep more control.