Liverpool 'too reliant' on stars & other shite

Red Hand Devil · 27th March 2008, 17:22

By Alistair Magowan

Former Liverpool defender Stephane Henchoz says the Reds are too reliant on Steven Gerrard and Fernando Torres to challenge for the Premier League. The 33-year-old, now at Blackburn, won the treble with Liverpool in 2001 but was one of the first to leave the club when Rafa Benitez joined in 2004.

"If Gerrard and Torres are not playing at their best, you hardly see where the goals are coming from," Henchoz said.

"They probably need two or three very good players if they want to compete."

Gerrard and Torres have scored 30 of Liverpool's 55 league goals this season.

I'm starting a coaching badge next week with some lads at Blackburn
Stephane Henchoz

Their title hopes were effectively dashed against Manchester United last Sunday when a 3-0 defeat at Old Trafford put them 14 points behind the reigning champions with seven games left.

Henchoz left Anfield in January 2005 - just seven months after Benitez took over - and the defender made no secret of his anger at the way he had been treated by the Spaniard.

The 33-year-old has not been impressed by Benitez's squad rotation policy this season.

"The rotation system sometimes in the league was not the best," the Swiss told BBC Sport.

"They drew too many times and if they kept their best XI, they would have won a few more games."

On a personal level, Henchoz is on the verge of a comeback from a disrupted season at Ewood Park where he has had two operations on an injured knee.

But with his contract up at the end of the season, he has already begun planning for the future.

"I've been injured since September, (I've had) two operations and it did not go well at all," he said.

"I'm hoping to be back in first-team training next week, and then it's nearly the end of the season so I will try to get back and play a few reserve games in April and then see what happens.

"But I'm starting a coaching badge next week with some lads at Blackburn, but that takes a couple of years to do that. Then maybe, if the opportunity comes, why not try management?"

Stephane Henchoz attended Your Game in Liverpool as a guest of the Swiss Embassy in London. The Swiss Embassy are supporting Your Game by taking the 2008 Your Game All Stars to Switzerland during the European Championship.

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Few points here:

Alistair Magowan must be a Liverpool fan!

Its A Treble but not Thee Treble, so what the fuck is he on about. When someone says "the Treble" you know exactly its regarding: League + FA Cup + Champions League / Old European Cup, and its only Pool fans that cant get that into the heads, so why even shite on about them winning the Treble when its a Micky Mouser!

Title hopes - they had title hopes at start of season like a few other clubs and due to them buying shite players and rotating shite players, the first 11 shite players never got a proper run of games, so things didnt pan out the way they wanted it to so they just blame Rafa's Rotation Policy. He rotates because the players are as bad as each other and he doesnt actually know who his best team is because he cant even bare to have "best and team" in the same sentence regarding his team selection as he's too embarassed at the crap that he's bought!

Liverpool would never be close even with Liverpools "best" team playing every week bar injury - they're not good enough and not many of their players would get into the other top three's minimum squad of 22, nevermind their matchday squad!

If Alistair Magowan had done his journalistic job correct he would of asked:

"WHEN'S THE SWISS GIVING THE JEWS BACK THEIR MONEY FROM SAFEKEEPING BANK LODGEMENTS BEFORE THE 2nd WORLD WAR....PAL?????"

FlawlessThaw · 27th March 2008, 17:27

I really doubt Stephane Henchoz "treble winner TM" would have been able to answer that question.

RedKaos · 27th March 2008, 17:32

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Originally Posted by Red Hand Devil

The 33-year-old, now at Blackburn, won the treble with Liverpool in 2001 .

Raven_Blade · 27th March 2008, 17:36

Thats some pretty obvious journalism there. Everyone knows that if Liverpool had played their best players on a more regular basis they would have won the league this year.

Red Hand Devil · 27th March 2008, 17:43

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Originally Posted by FlawlessThaw

I really doubt Stephane Henchoz "treble winner TM" would have been able to answer that question.

He's probably got that embroidered on his boots and tatoo'd on his arse cheek!

He also says "They probably need two or three very good players if they want to compete." What a fucking joke - how many of they're players would get into United starting 11. You could say Gerrard and Torres. Torres up front with Rooney would be sweet but who would you replace in mid-field to start Gerrard the way he's playin at the moment: Anderson - Carrick - Scholes (probably our chosen 3). I wouldnt put Gerrard in our mid-field ahead of those guys!!

They bloody well need more than 2 or 3 quality players to compete with United, we've a squad for of quality they dont even have a team of quality!

Wizard Keyaz · 27th March 2008, 17:53

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Originally Posted by Red Hand Devil

He's probably got that embroidered on his boots and tatoo'd on his arse cheek!

He also says "They probably need two or three very good players if they want to compete." What a fucking joke - how many of they're players would get into United starting 11. You could say Gerrard and Torres. Torres up front with Rooney would be sweet but who would you replace in mid-field to start Gerrard the way he's playin at the moment: Anderson - Carrick - Scholes (probably our chosen 3). I wouldnt put Gerrard in our mid-field ahead of those guys!!

They bloody well need more than 2 or 3 quality players to compete with United, we've a squad for of quality they dont even have a team of quality!

Well said

Red Hand Devil · 27th March 2008, 18:09

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Originally Posted by Wizard Keyaz

Well said

Ta very much Wiz - right-on

Wizard Keyaz · 27th March 2008, 18:15

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Originally Posted by Red Hand Devil

Ta very much Wiz - right-on

To be fair mate, Liverpool still remain in the books in the library all covered with dust, they simply are crap!

Red Hand Devil · 27th March 2008, 18:19

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Originally Posted by Wizard Keyaz

To be fair mate, Liverpool still remain in the books in the library all covered with dust, they simply are crap!

...and dont realise it

Long may it fucking continue

Wizard Keyaz · 27th March 2008, 18:21

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Originally Posted by Red Hand Devil

...and dont realise it

Long may it fucking continue

I just don't get why they think they will be better than United, anyway not long before we match there league titles

sparky · 27th March 2008, 18:26

The only thing Liverpool are relying on right now is their past.

demapples · 27th March 2008, 18:45

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Originally Posted by Red Hand Devil

Anderson - Carrick - Scholes (probably our chosen 3). I wouldnt put Gerrard in our mid-field ahead of those guys!!

mosesfromtala · 27th March 2008, 18:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by Red Hand Devil

He's probably got that embroidered on his boots and tatoo'd on his arse cheek!

He also says "They probably need two or three very good players if they want to compete." What a fucking joke - how many of they're players would get into United starting 11. You could say Gerrard and Torres. Torres up front with Rooney would be sweet but who would you replace in mid-field to start Gerrard the way he's playin at the moment: Anderson - Carrick - Scholes (probably our chosen 3). I wouldnt put Gerrard in our mid-field ahead of those guys!!

They bloody well need more than 2 or 3 quality players to compete with United, we've a squad for of quality they dont even have a team of quality!

gerrard is a wanker , but he's a great player ... he'd be even better away from Liverpool ...

Red Hand Devil · 27th March 2008, 18:47

Lads: "watch out - there's scouser's about"

Blank Demapples - shun that scally - booooooo - boooooooo - he's a fruit aswell

Sam#1 · 27th March 2008, 18:47

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Originally Posted by mosesfromtala

gerrard is a wanker , but he's a great player ... he'd be even better away from Liverpool ...

He's a very good player. He's not a great player.

Red Hand Devil · 27th March 2008, 18:49

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Originally Posted by mosesfromtala

gerrard is a wanker , but he's a great player ... he'd be even better away from Liverpool ...

I hear Bohs need a new mid-fielder?

demapples · 27th March 2008, 18:49

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Originally Posted by Sam#1

He's a very good player. He's not a great player.

But not as good as Anderson, Scholes or Carrick, right?

Red Hand Devil · 27th March 2008, 18:50

Booooooooo Booooooooooooo booooooooooooooo

Blank him Shun the scally

KingEric7 · 27th March 2008, 18:58

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Originally Posted by demapples

But not as good as Anderson, Scholes or Carrick, right?

This probably isn't the wisest attitude to take considering how Gerrard was completely dominated by each of the above just 4 days ago.

demapples · 27th March 2008, 19:01

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Originally Posted by KingEric7

This probably isn't the wisest attitude to take considering how Gerrard was completely dominated by each of the above just 4 days ago.

'Dominated by each of the above'.

hehe

So Scholes, Anderson and Carrick > Gerrard?

Red Hand Devil · 27th March 2008, 19:01

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Originally Posted by KingEric7

This probably isn't the wisest attitude to take considering how Gerrard was completely dominated by each of the above just 4 days ago.

Gerrard gets completely dominated by Alonso and Nando when his whore missus is out socking dealers cocks in exchange for coke....

Sam#1 · 27th March 2008, 19:05

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Originally Posted by demapples

But not as good as Anderson, Scholes or Carrick, right?

Not as good as Scholes.

Better at dominating a game then Carrick, but can't pass half aswell.

Better than Anderson, although the Brazilian has the potential to be better.

Diver · 27th March 2008, 19:39

Pretty much any member of this forum could've told the reporter that.

KingEric7 · 27th March 2008, 20:14

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Originally Posted by demapples

'Dominated by each of the above'.

hehe

So Scholes, Anderson and Carrick > Gerrard?

I never said that. I simply claimed that Gerrard was made to look like a very mediocre player on Sunday. The same thing happened at Anfield.

He's clearly very good, though. Anyone who thinks otherwise is beyond repair.

Murphman · 27th March 2008, 22:04

Henchoz won a unique treble of cups in 2001. Liverpool became the first side ever to complete every single fixture of every competition they played in.

Proper that was by any standards.

18 -5 - 7.

vanthaman · 27th March 2008, 22:18

Quote:

Originally Posted by Murphman

Henchoz won a unique treble of cups in 2001. Liverpool became the first side ever to complete every single fixture of every competition they played in.

Proper that was by any standards.

18 -5 - 7.

they didnt play in the first two rounds of the league cup

Wonder Pigeon · 27th March 2008, 22:18

Quote:

Originally Posted by Red Hand Devil

I hear Bohs need a new mid-fielder?

The way that shower throw money around it wouldn't suprise me if they put in a bid...

27th March 2008, 17:22	#1 (permalink)
Red Hand Devil Reserve Team Player Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Green Teddy Bear Island Posts: 2,621	Liverpool 'too reliant' on stars & other shite By Alistair Magowan Former Liverpool defender Stephane Henchoz says the Reds are too reliant on Steven Gerrard and Fernando Torres to challenge for the Premier League. The 33-year-old, now at Blackburn, won the treble with Liverpool in 2001 but was one of the first to leave the club when Rafa Benitez joined in 2004. "If Gerrard and Torres are not playing at their best, you hardly see where the goals are coming from," Henchoz said. "They probably need two or three very good players if they want to compete." Gerrard and Torres have scored 30 of Liverpool's 55 league goals this season. I'm starting a coaching badge next week with some lads at Blackburn Stephane Henchoz Their title hopes were effectively dashed against Manchester United last Sunday when a 3-0 defeat at Old Trafford put them 14 points behind the reigning champions with seven games left. Henchoz left Anfield in January 2005 - just seven months after Benitez took over - and the defender made no secret of his anger at the way he had been treated by the Spaniard. The 33-year-old has not been impressed by Benitez's squad rotation policy this season. "The rotation system sometimes in the league was not the best," the Swiss told BBC Sport. "They drew too many times and if they kept their best XI, they would have won a few more games." On a personal level, Henchoz is on the verge of a comeback from a disrupted season at Ewood Park where he has had two operations on an injured knee. But with his contract up at the end of the season, he has already begun planning for the future. "I've been injured since September, (I've had) two operations and it did not go well at all," he said. "I'm hoping to be back in first-team training next week, and then it's nearly the end of the season so I will try to get back and play a few reserve games in April and then see what happens. "But I'm starting a coaching badge next week with some lads at Blackburn, but that takes a couple of years to do that. Then maybe, if the opportunity comes, why not try management?" Stephane Henchoz attended Your Game in Liverpool as a guest of the Swiss Embassy in London. The Swiss Embassy are supporting Your Game by taking the 2008 Your Game All Stars to Switzerland during the European Championship. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Few points here: Alistair Magowan must be a Liverpool fan! Its A Treble but not Thee Treble, so what the fuck is he on about. When someone says "the Treble" you know exactly its regarding: League + FA Cup + Champions League / Old European Cup, and its only Pool fans that cant get that into the heads, so why even shite on about them winning the Treble when its a Micky Mouser! Title hopes - they had title hopes at start of season like a few other clubs and due to them buying shite players and rotating shite players, the first 11 shite players never got a proper run of games, so things didnt pan out the way they wanted it to so they just blame Rafa's Rotation Policy. He rotates because the players are as bad as each other and he doesnt actually know who his best team is because he cant even bare to have "best and team" in the same sentence regarding his team selection as he's too embarassed at the crap that he's bought! Liverpool would never be close even with Liverpools "best" team playing every week bar injury - they're not good enough and not many of their players would get into the other top three's minimum squad of 22, nevermind their matchday squad! If Alistair Magowan had done his journalistic job correct he would of asked: "WHEN'S THE SWISS GIVING THE JEWS BACK THEIR MONEY FROM SAFEKEEPING BANK LODGEMENTS BEFORE THE 2nd WORLD WAR....PAL?????"

27th March 2008, 17:27	#2 (permalink)
FlawlessThaw most 'know it all' poster Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: London Posts: 9,266	I really doubt Stephane Henchoz "treble winner TM" would have been able to answer that question.

27th March 2008, 17:36	#4 (permalink)
Raven_Blade Attention Whoring Common Crow Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Somewhere im not supposed to be. Posts: 16,273	Thats some pretty obvious journalism there. Everyone knows that if Liverpool had played their best players on a more regular basis they would have won the league this year.

27th March 2008, 18:26	#11 (permalink)
sparky Reserve Team Player Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: On my sofa Posts: 533	The only thing Liverpool are relying on right now is their past.

27th March 2008, 18:47	#14 (permalink)
Red Hand Devil Reserve Team Player Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Green Teddy Bear Island Posts: 2,621	Lads: "watch out - there's scouser's about" Blank Demapples - shun that scally - booooooo - boooooooo - he's a fruit aswell

27th March 2008, 18:50	#18 (permalink)
Red Hand Devil Reserve Team Player Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Green Teddy Bear Island Posts: 2,621	Booooooooo Booooooooooooo booooooooooooooo Blank him Shun the scally

27th March 2008, 19:39	#23 (permalink)
Diver ....and nobody likes a diver. Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: SAF's GAF Posts: 2,168	Pretty much any member of this forum could've told the reporter that.

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Murphman In a bad mood since lfc got stuffed by Manchester United Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Mine eyes have seen the glory. Five times in fact. Posts: 4,748	Henchoz won a unique treble of cups in 2001. Liverpool became the first side ever to complete every single fixture of every competition they played in. Proper that was by any standards. 18 -5 - 7.