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Old 20th January 2009, 15:59   #1 (permalink)
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Michael Johnson

This isn't a transfer thread-although I saw that City may be willing to sell him-City Consider Johnson Future

What's happened to him? I thought City had a potentially top class player on their hands there, and he seems to be left out most weeks. And, now, if they're willing to sell him, they obviously don't rate him all that much.

So, did I just overrate him, or is the lad just unlucky that things have gone even more spasticated than usual at City?

Anyone know what he's like off the pitch? That might explain why City are willing to get rid of a young player like him.
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Yeah in part exchange for other players though!

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I take it for granted that Johnson is still injured?

I think that Man City will be mad to let him go, I think he is better than players who City have played in the middle of the park this season like Fernandes, Hamann and Elano. I agree I believed he had the potential to become a good player at both club and international levels.
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I think he's been injured recently but he still wasn't played enough before that.

We've just confirmed what we all know, City are spastics.
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I'd definitely take him, from what i hear he has a bit of an ego off the pitch but it's nothing Fergie wouldn't smash out of him im sure
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I'd definitely take him, from what i hear he has a bit of an ego off the pitch but it's nothing Fergie wouldn't smash out of him im sure
If we were going for another midfielder (which would be crazy) it would be Palaccios not Johnson!
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He's injury prone and on top of that, he goes out every weekend getting fucked. Don't think he's got the right attitude to reach the highest level.

My brother's mate saw him at The Ritz in town on a Friday night and asked him if he was playing the next day, and he said "nah can't be fucking arsed" or something like that.

Shame... looked a class act last season. Him and Elano were quality together for a while.
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If we were going for another midfielder (which would be crazy) it would be Palaccios not Johnson!
1) I don't think it would be crazy to sign another midfielder.

2) Fuck sake I only said "I'd take him" i didnt say "OMG he shud b r num1 target innit!" Palacios is good but offers something very different from Johnson, plus he's as good as gone to spurs.
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1) I don't think it would be crazy to sign another midfielder.

2) Fuck sake I only said "I'd take him" i didnt say "OMG he shud b r num1 target innit!" Palacios is good but offers something very different from Johnson, plus he's as good as gone to spurs.
(1) We've shit loads of central mid-fielders & we shouldnt be goin buying any more when we should be developing the younger one's we already have!

(2) Calm down CW, i wasnt having a pop mate. Palaccios is more of a Defensive midfielder & a very good one - shame Spurs are likely to get him - fucking hate Spurs!!
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(1) We've shit loads of central mid-fielders & we shouldnt be goin buying any more when we should be developing the younger one's we already have!

(2) Calm down CW, i wasnt having a pop mate. Palaccios is more of a Defensive midfielder & a very good one - shame Spurs are likely to get him - fucking hate Spurs!!
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no, i have met him a few times on nights out in town, and yes he is an arrogant idiot.
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(1) We've shit loads of central mid-fielders & we shouldnt be goin buying any more when we should be developing the younger one's we already have!

(2) Calm down CW, i wasnt having a pop mate. Palaccios is more of a Defensive midfielder & a very good one - shame Spurs are likely to get him - fucking hate Spurs!!
He doesnt play in defensive midfield for Wigan, he's the more offensive of the Cattermole - Palacios partnership. You often find Palacios right outside the box trying to make ground for his side and having a few attempts on goal, though he hasnt actually scored yet in England as far as I'm aware.

Palacios is a very physical player who can put his foot in, but thats not the same as playing "defensive midfield". He's more box to box.
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no, i have met him a few times on nights out in town, and yes he is an arrogant idiot.
I meant are you a City fan? I base this on your location man!

Johnson is just gonna waste his talent in the Joey Barton mould - twats!
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He doesnt play in defensive midfield for Wigan, he's the more offensive of the Cattermole - Palacios partnership. You often find Palacios right outside the box trying to make ground for his side and having a few attempts on goal, though he hasnt actually scored yet in England as far as I'm aware.

Palacios is a very physical player who can put his foot in, but thats not the same as playing "defensive midfield". He's more box to box.
Thats pretty much the impression I got, he has the aggression of a defensive midfielder tho!
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Seems to have regressed this season... Ireland was and is still better.
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1) I don't think it would be crazy to sign another midfielder.

2) Fuck sake I only said "I'd take him" i didnt say "OMG he shud b r num1 target innit!" Palacios is good but offers something very different from Johnson, plus he's as good as gone to spurs.
so a United player in one or two seasons then?
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Guess this is the downside of City's transfer policy under the Arabs.

They have a great academy, but some of their best graduates will be overlooked in favour of expensive glamour signings.
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so a United player in one or two seasons then?
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I think this might be why they were trying to offload him. This is then:







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We do bring through some controversial footballers aswell.

Dickson Etuhu - Greedy big headed twat
Tyrone Mears - Does the dirty on Derby to go on trial at Marseille
Joey Barton - ...........
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Haha, ive noticed this as well. I thank god for stevie ireland as he is the perfect role model of what it takes and the dedication needed to become a success at city. An example of dedicating himself to his profession and he is deserving of our praise and adulation.
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Has he played for Leicester yet?
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Does he play for Leicester or is he still injured?
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Lee Sharpe tells a story, going back to his days at Manchester United, of sitting in the canteen one day and hearing a dull, repetitive thud outside. Eventually he went out to investigate and was bemused to find Gary Neville, on his own, throwing a ball against the gym wall. "As hard as he could, over and over again," Sharpe recalls. "Practising long throws, Gary Neville's idea of fun."

Not quite. This was not Neville's idea of fun, more the realisation of what he had to do to make the best of himself. Another time, Sharpe remembers Neville abandoning a night out after his team-mates suggested they went to a nightclub. "He said he didn't like nightclubs. 'Sorry,' I said. 'Run that past me again, Gary. You don't like nightclubs? In nightclubs there's beer, decent music, women, what exactly is there not to like?' But he was insistent: 'No, I don't like nightclubs, they're not my scene.' And off he toddled."

It is easy to mock, or patronise, but only if you want to overlook the fact it was this form of dedication that helped Neville make almost 600 appearances for the club, as well as winning 85 England caps. In football, as Neville always appreciated, it needs more than just talent to sustain a career at the top. Sharpe had a different outlook and, without wishing to be cruel, his Wikipedia page now describes him as "best known for appearing in Celebrity Love Island". Or consider what has happened to Michael Johnson and, specifically, where he was supposed to be at this point in his life and what, in reality, has come of him now we are rubbernecking at what's left of his career.

Johnson is just one of countless young players to lose their way in the system, but his is an extreme case and anyone who saw him burst on to the scene at Manchester City will understand why it is so deflating now to find his career in such a steady form of deterioration.

Yes, Johnson was 18 at the time but he played with an elegance, control and appreciation of space that left City supporters of a certain generation making comparisons with Colin Bell. "FEC", they used to call Johnson: Future England Captain.

Liverpool, the Champions League winners at the time, wanted to sign him for £10m, back in the days when that was an implausible amount of money for a teenager. One particular memory stands out: Sven-Goran Eriksson, a manager who has worked with a Who's Who of gifted footballers, holding court at the bar of the Manchester Radisson, offering a £50 bet that Johnson would play in at least one World Cup. The teenager was, according to Eriksson, the outstanding player of his age in English football.

Now 24, the midfielder has endured a cruel run of injuries since then, but there are other reasons why he has not started a league game for City for almost four years. At City they talk about someone who became "big-time" and started spending too much time in nightclubs and casinos. At times they could not understand why he was not fit to play when the medical staff could not find an obvious problem. They tell the story of being so embarrassed by his pen-pic one season – bloated, unshaven, rough – they asked the photographer to come back to take it again. The original, to quote one member of City's staff, looked "more like an Oasis roadie" than a professional sportsman.

Over time, City's coaching staff concluded Johnson simply did not have the mentality to be a footballer at the highest level. He was moved to Leicester City last year, on a season-long loan that cost the Championship club £1m, but was signed off, then sent back, by January. After that, almost nothing had been heard of him until on Thursday, at 3.50am, his Mercedes hit another car, then crashed into a wall. "Manchester City star in drink-drive arrest," the Manchester Evening News reported. Except that Johnson has not been a "Manchester City star," in the truest sense, for a long time. He was nowhere to be seen when Roberto Mancini's team won the league, or during the open-top bus parade. His last appearance? A second-half substitute, in a Carling Cup tie against Scunthorpe, in October 2009.

Maybe it all happened too quickly. Johnson had an awful lot of exposure at an early age and, unless you are in that position, it is difficult to comprehend all the different pressures and temptations. All we can really say for certain is that it is a terrible waste. In different circumstances, this should have been the point of his career when he was established as an England player, looking forward to playing in the European Championship. England, as we have seen, are hardly spoilt for choice when it comes to central midfielders.

Hypothetical now, though. Johnson signed a five-year contract in 2009, which means City are lumbered with him for the time being. They would get rid of him in a shot if they could and, beyond that, who can really say where he would be washed up?

Whatever happens, it is a sorry tale about what can happen when a young footballer has the right ability but the wrong attitude – and, in the process, we are reminded again that there is nothing quite so depressing as talent going to waste.
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Interesting piece. A few of the Mancs on here have told stories about him that suggest he's not particularly interested in playing football. What a waste.
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I thought it was Adam Johnson who had been done for drink driving. I'd forgotten all about this guy.
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Liverpool, the Champions League winners at the time, wanted to sign him for £10m, back in the days when that was an implausible amount of money for a teenager.
Must have totally imagined us signing Rooney and Ronaldo for fees upwards of that before then. Shame about Johnson mind, was really touted as the next best thing, don't think the injuries helped and when he finally got fit City had moved on and it seems his time off only worsened any bad habits he had.
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Interesting piece. A few of the Mancs on here have told stories about him that suggest he's not particularly interested in playing football. What a waste.
That's the problem with throwing infinite amounts of money at young people, after a while it's got to be tempting to just say to yourself 'Im fucking rich, why bother anymore?'. They are pretty much set for life before they even turn 25. When you take out all the fame and popularity, it is just a job, and once you earn enough money to stop working it's not surprising this sort of shit happens.
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That's the problem with throwing infinite amounts of money at young people, after a while it's got to be tempting to just say to yourself 'Im fucking rich, why bother anymore?'. They are pretty much set for life before they even turn 25. When you take out all the fame and popularity, it is just a job, and once you earn enough money to stop working it's not surprising this sort of shit happens.
I think that's the point he's making. Good read really. Particularly the Neville part. We all know how dedicated he was. I think footballers really are a special breed. You've got to be different to everyone else. How many players have you played with at schoolboy age and older who you thought could make it and didn't? It's often due to them not being willing to apply your ability enough.

If I had thousands of pounds thrown at me every week I know what I'd be doing with it, and the casinos would certainly play a part, which is one of many reasons someone like me could never be a professional footballer. But of course if I was good enough to be a professional, perhaps my attitude would be different.

But to make it at the top for a long time you've got to have it all, ability, temperament, attitude, everything. If you've ever gone into work or school and thought 'I can't really be bothered today", you probably would be one of the thousands who fall by the wayside, because you just don't have the mentality to do it every single day. The media exposure has only increased to mental strength needed.

Of course the money they get goes a long way to making up for all that.
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I think it's a bit of a catch 22 really, the fact people are saying with any player "if only he had so and so's attitude" is kind of like saying "if only he had so and so's ability" to make it a professional sportsman neither one will be enough to make it at the top level without the other. Reading Gary Neville's book really showed me how much dedication you do have to have, in there he says he basically threw away any social side of his teenage years to play football, doing this sets him aside from 99% of kids and is what has put him where he is today. Another thing is you notice how many players think they are David Beckham at 19 and are already thinking about their brand before they have actually become a footballer, at present Cleverley seems to be a bit guilty of this. Thing is they seem to not realise the reason Beckham became such a brand was mainly to do with his serious dedication as a footballer which allowed him to reach that level.

By this token I'm really not that arsed about losing Pogba or Morrison, just because I find myself thinking if these attitude problems are there now then they never would have made it here anyway regardless of talent.
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I think it's a bit of a catch 22 really, the fact people are saying with any player "if only he had so and so's attitude" is kind of like saying "if only he had so and so's ability" to make it a professional sportsman neither one will be enough to make it at the top level without the other. Reading Gary Neville's book really showed me how much dedication you do have to have, in there he says he basically threw away any social side of his teenage years to play football, doing this sets him aside from 99% of kids and is what has put him where he is today. Another thing is you notice how many players think they are David Beckham at 19 and are already thinking about their brand before they have actually become a footballer, at present Cleverley seems to be a bit guilty of this. Thing is they seem to not realise the reason Beckham became such a brand was mainly to do with his serious dedication as a footballer which allowed him to reach that level.

By this token I'm really not that arsed about losing Pogba or Morrison, just because I find myself thinking if these attitude problems are there now then they never would have made it here anyway regardless of talent.
I don't think you're being fair to Cleverley. By all accounts he's a hard worker and has scratched out a chance for himself at United after being told at 16 that he wasn't getting a pro contract. People talk about him having a website and all that crap but its not like its him sitting there in front of a screen updating it is it? He'll have an agent, like they all do, who sees brand potential in him and sorts all that stuff out. Never heard Sir Alex or anyone else connected to the club even hint that Cleverley's dedication was a problem.

On the rest though I agree wholeheartedly. I made the point the other day in another thread that there's a simple explanation as to why Spain, Holland and the like produce more technically able footballers than England: they train more. Now partly this is because of the rules: Clubs in England are currently legally only allowed to have 3760 hours of contact time with their youngsters before 21 years of age whereas at Ajax or Barca you can expect to have had around 9000 of contact time by the same age. However, there's nothing stopping players making up the difference off their own backs like Neville did.

When Becks spent the summer of 1996 preparing for the challenge of our new big signing Karel Poborsky that wasn't cos a coach made him do it, its cos he saw the writing on the wall and rose to the challenge. Nowadays a lot of footballers however don't seem to have that drive. They simply don't care very much about being the best. They're making tons of cash, they've can live like kings and to many of them the idea of staying back after training to practice free kicks when you could go home play Playstation and then go out on the town and roast some wannabe glamour models seems ridiculous.

Everyone talks about the talent of the class of 92 but talent was only part of it. I watched the sit down with Sir Alex and Eric Harrison on MUTV the other day about when they knew the class of 92 were gonna be special and Sir Alex said it was during a pre-season game (I think may've been reserve) when Norwich came up and were giving the young lads a bit and then, with some urging, the likes of Butt and Scholes started giving it right back. The Boss said it was then he realised this group had something about 'em, a bit of fight, a bit of determination. You need that to be a great and many footballers just don't. Keano moans about a lot of stuff and I think he's wrong about a lot of it but not his view on the modern footballer. A lot of them simply dont want to be the best, they wanna be celebrities but once they get that...
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I don't think you're being fair to Cleverley. By all accounts he's a hard worker and has scratched out a chance for himself at United after being told at 16 that he wasn't getting a pro contract. People talk about him having a website and all that crap but its not like its him sitting there in front of a screen updating it is it? He'll have an agent, like they all do, who sees brand potential in him and sorts all that stuff out. Never heard Sir Alex or anyone else connected to the club even hint that Cleverley's dedication was a problem.

On the rest though I agree wholeheartedly. I made the point the other day in another thread that there's a simple explanation as to why Spain, Holland and the like produce more technically able footballers than England: they train more. Now partly this is because of the rules: Clubs in England are currently legally only allowed to have 3760 hours of contact time with their youngsters before 21 years of age whereas at Ajax or Barca you can expect to have had around 9000 of contact time by the same age. However, there's nothing stopping players making up the difference off their own backs like Neville did.

When Becks spent the summer of 1996 preparing for the challenge of our new big signing Karel Poborsky that wasn't cos a coach made him do it, its cos he saw the writing on the wall and rose to the challenge. Nowadays a lot of footballers however don't seem to have that drive. They simply don't care very much about being the best. They're making tons of cash, they've can live like kings and to many of them the idea of staying back after training to practice free kicks when you could go home play Playstation and then go out on the town and roast some wannabe glamour models seems ridiculous.

Everyone talks about the talent of the class of 92 but talent was only part of it. I watched the sit down with Sir Alex and Eric Harrison on MUTV the other day about when they knew the class of 92 were gonna be special and Sir Alex said it was during a pre-season game (I think may've been reserve) when Norwich came up and were giving the young lads a bit and then, with some urging, the likes of Butt and Scholes started giving it right back. The Boss said it was then he realised this group had something about 'em, a bit of fight, a bit of determination. You need that to be a great and many footballers just don't. Keano moans about a lot of stuff and I think he's wrong about a lot of it but not his view on the modern footballer. A lot of them simply dont want to be the best, they wanna be celebrities but once they get that...
You're probably right that I am being unfair on Cleverley tbh, I like him a lot as a player It just does irk me slightly to see all that shite on his website when he has made about 7 first team appearences for us, I'm not usually one for moaning about footballers being on twitter etc... because they should be concerntrating more etc... but for some reason this one annoyed me!

Again the rest I agree with, I think it happens in a lot of industries now. In the same way as Xfactor contestants nearly all to a man go on about their desire for fame not the desire to be genuinley good at what they do, think with fame being so easy these day so many see it as a career option in itself.
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