Mikel documents forged

CnutOfAllCnuts · 27th March 2008, 19:39

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Originally Posted by antihenry

Do you have a personal knowledge of the clauses in that particular settlement or you just assume it to be what you believe it is?

Nope, I obviously haven't.

Do you?

Say you sat on the freehold of a house which I claimed was mine. If I offered you a large enough sum of money to get it, would you not insist on some clauses which stopped me from being able to claim my money back in the future?

This is what Lyn's managing director said today:

"We did a settlement with Chelsea, Manchester United and John Shittu. Included in that settlement is an understanding from all parties that issues might come to daylight in the future. The settlement resolves this, and takes into account a possible court case. So we have nothing to fear from Chelsea".

CnutOfAllCnuts · 27th March 2008, 19:41

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Originally Posted by antihenry

2.Whatever the case may be, player's agents deal with their contracts, that's what they're paid for. If Shittu was there,Andersen wouldn't have got away with forgery.

There's nothing to say that an agent has to be there. If Mikel wanted Shittu there, he should have insisted on it.

antihenry · 27th March 2008, 19:42

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Originally Posted by CnutOfAllCnuts

This is what Lyn's managing director said today:

"We did a settlement with Chelsea, Manchester United and John Shittu. Included in that settlement is an understanding from all parties that issues might come to daylight in the future. The settlement resolves this, and takes into account a possible court case. So we have nothing to fear from Chelsea".

That covers Lyn. Doesn't say anything about United, though.

CnutOfAllCnuts · 27th March 2008, 19:43

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Originally Posted by antihenry

3.My personal experiences have f.a to do with what we're talking about.
Andersen is a crook,that's a fact, and he was in business with United.
That's all i said. Are you disagreeing with that?

You were trying to claim the moral high ground "they just deal with crooks like Andersen,to accomplish their goals. Very honorable".

Point I was making, was that we have probably all dealt with crooks, without being aware of it.

CnutOfAllCnuts · 27th March 2008, 19:43

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Originally Posted by antihenry

That covers Lyn. Doesn't say anything about United, though.

Oh, so you reckon Lyn got that clause in the settlement, but not United...

Yeah, i reckon you are spot on there.

antihenry · 27th March 2008, 19:51

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Originally Posted by CnutOfAllCnuts

There's nothing to say that an agent has to be there. If Mikel wanted Shittu there, he should have insisted on it.

I think you expect a lot from an 18 year old. Earlier you mentioned that he was probably clueless about his forged contract, now suddenly he's mature enough to make demands from Lyn?

Maybe he did ask for his agent to be present, who knows? If Andersen was willing to commit forgery i'm sure he thought of ways to prevent the info from leaking out before the deal got done.

antihenry · 27th March 2008, 19:55

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Originally Posted by CnutOfAllCnuts

You were trying to claim the moral high ground "they just deal with crooks like Andersen,to accomplish their goals. Very honorable".

Point I was making, was that we have probably all dealt with crooks, without being aware of it.

Quite opposite. I know Chelsea like others deal with some shady characters, i just felt sick reading all that bile here regarding Mikel's case for the last two years, making United look like angels and us looking like dirt.

CnutOfAllCnuts · 27th March 2008, 19:57

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Originally Posted by antihenry

I think you expect a lot from an 18 year old. Earlier you mentioned that he was probably clueless about his forged contract, now suddenly he's mature enough to make demands from Lyn?

Maybe he did ask for his agent to be present, who knows? If Andersen was willing to commit forgery i'm sure he thought of ways to prevent the info from leaking out before the deal got done.

He was mature enough to pay for protection for his family...

You have a player who's agent living on a different continent, a club who wants to sell the player with as little hassle as possible, and buying club who's management detests agents. Who was going to call Mr. Shittu to help them out?

CnutOfAllCnuts · 27th March 2008, 20:00

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Originally Posted by antihenry

Quite opposite. I know Chelsea like others deal with some shady characters, i just felt sick reading all that bile here regarding Mikel's case for the last two years, making United look like angels and us looking like dirt.

Did you really feel sick?

United are angels.

And Chelsea are definitely dirt - there is a global agreement on that.

antihenry · 27th March 2008, 20:07

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Originally Posted by CnutOfAllCnuts

He was mature enough to pay for protection for his family...

You have a player who's agent living on a different continent, a club who wants to sell the player with as little hassle as possible, and buying club who's management detests agents. Who was going to call Mr. Shittu to help them out?

I'm just curious where did this 'protection for his family' stuff come from? Was that part of what the investigation uncovered? Link ?

The agent living on a different continent is not a problem, since most of them travel constantly anyway to deal with their various clients.

The club/Andersen wanted to sell him with as little hassle as possible because they didn't own him and forged his contract.

CnutOfAllCnuts · 27th March 2008, 20:12

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Originally Posted by antihenry

I'm just curious where did this 'protection for his family' stuff come from? Was that part of what the investigation uncovered? Link ?

Jim Solbakken - Solskjær's agent, was United's middle-man in the dealings with Lyn. He claimed in court that after Mikel had signed for United, Mikel told him that he was using his sign-on fee to buy his family in Nigeria protection against his agents and the people dealing on behalf of Chelsea.

antihenry · 27th March 2008, 20:15

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Originally Posted by CnutOfAllCnuts

Did you really feel sick?

United are angels.

And Chelsea are definitely dirt - there is a global agreement on that.

You mean like Manchester Angels? Way to get glazered!

OK i'm getting extremely bored now.

P.S. United are crap. We'll end your title race at the Bridge.

The Hairdryer · 27th March 2008, 23:22

You'll be clapping our kids on as champions again, hopefully.

fatboy · 28th March 2008, 02:02

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Originally Posted by antihenry

That covers Lyn. Doesn't say anything about United, though.

If you read his statement properly, he says Lyn have nothing to fear from Chelsea precisely because of the settlement between all parties involved.

Seeing as how United were clearly part of that same settlement, suffice to United have little to fear from Lyn and Chelsea, and vice versa.

There you go, it's not too difficult to understand.

We're not angels, neither are we crooks. There was probably some opportunism involved. Since we were acting above board legally, why not give it a shot. And look, we got ourselves an extra 12 mil to strengthen the squad! Lovely!

Chelsea only ended up looking dodgy because of Shittu and Mikel's behaviour. Nothing to do with us really.

Wibble · 28th March 2008, 02:23

If Chelsea try to get their dosh back from United then surely the flip side of this is that Chelsea's contract is just as void being fruit of the poisoned tree. Mikel would then be a free agent who could sign for whoever he wanted. Chelsea's operations involving the second hand ownership of underage African players would also be dragged kicking and screaming into the daylight which I very much doubt they want.

My guess is that some arrangement will be made with Lyn and nowt more will happen.

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