Most successful player of all time

devilish · 28th March 2008, 08:55

Franco Baresi

European Cup: 1989, 1990, 1994 (now called: UEFA Champions League).
Intercontinental Cup: 1989, 1990.
European Supercup: 1989, 1990,1994.
Italian Championship:1979, 1988, 1992, 1993, 1994, 1996.
Italian Super Cup: 1988, 1992, 1993, 1994.
World Cup : 1982

peterstorey · 28th March 2008, 09:16

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Originally Posted by Murphman

Midfield was Peters, Charlton,Ball and Stiles, 4-3-3 was always a misnomer for that side as charlton and Peters were allowed to push on. Greaves was World Class without doubt but Alf went with Hunt and Hurst purely because they suited the system. He was proved right of course.

Anybody who thinks Steven Gerrard isn't world class is either blind or has an agenda against the lad. For that matter so are Lampard, Terry and Rooney.

If you think Gerrard or Terry or Lampard would be in a 22 man squad of the best players in the world then you're a soft lad.

Murphman · 28th March 2008, 09:40

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Originally Posted by peterstorey

If you think Gerrard or Terry or Lampard would be in a 22 man squad of the best players in the world then you're a soft lad.

I'M the soft lad??

peterstorey · 28th March 2008, 09:42

Yeah England have world class players coming out of their ears and are the bestist team in the world. Have a word la.

CnutOfAllCnuts · 28th March 2008, 09:52

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Originally Posted by peterstorey

a 22 man squad of the best players in the world

Buffon
Cech

Ramos
Zambrotta
Lahm
Evra
Ferdinand
Terry
Nesta

Fabregas
Xavi
Gerrard
Essien
Ronaldo
Ribery
Messi
Ronaldinho
Kaka

Rooney
Henry
Drogba
Torres

Or summat like that..

peterstorey · 28th March 2008, 09:59

1 in 5 of the best outfield players in the world are English. Yeah right.

spinoza · 28th March 2008, 10:03

Ferdinand and Rooney might make it into the squad, but that's it.

CnutOfAllCnuts · 28th March 2008, 10:06

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Originally Posted by peterstorey

1 in 5 of the best outfield players in the world are English. Yeah right.

Not necessarily.

Players like Zanetti, Ibrahimovic, van Nistelrooy, Eto'o and many others could obviously have been included in place of players on my list.

There is obviously no such a thing as a defined 22 best players in the world.

But, the best English are as good as anyone.

peterstorey · 28th March 2008, 10:09

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Originally Posted by CnutOfAllCnuts

Not necessarily.

Players like Zanetti, Ibrahimovic, van Nistelrooy, Eto'o and many others could obviously have been included in place of players on my list.

There is obviously no such a thing as a defined 22 best players in the world.

But, the best English are as good as anyone.

Terry is a laughable selection (Chelsea have thenselves got a better centre half) and Gerrard not much better. Where are you going to play Stevie G? He isn't going to cut it in CM and there's a fair bit of competition for the "off the striker" role (Kaka for example).

CnutOfAllCnuts · 28th March 2008, 10:10

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Originally Posted by peterstorey

Terry is a laughable selection and Gerrard not much better. Where are you going to play Stevie G? He isn't going to cut it in CM and there's a fair bit of competition for the "off the striker" role (Kaka for example).

Why is Terry a laughable selection? Name me all those centrehalves better than him.

Gerrard is a world class midfielder, and has been for years.

peterstorey · 28th March 2008, 10:14

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Originally Posted by CnutOfAllCnuts

Why is Terry a laughable selection? Name me all those centrehalves better than him.

Gerrard is a world class midfielder, and has been for years.

There are a string of better English ones let alone look world wide: Ferdinand, Carragher, King, Woodgate. Gerrard isn't very good as a central midfielder - he's positionally shite, gives the ball away all the time and can't control the game. That's why he doesn't play there any more.

CnutOfAllCnuts · 28th March 2008, 10:16

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Originally Posted by peterstorey

There are a string of better English ones let alone look world wide: Ferdinand, Carragher, King, Woodgate. Gerrard isn't very good as a central midfielder - he's positionally shite, gives the ball away all the time and can't control the game. That's why he doesn't play there any more.

Carragher, King and Woodgate are obviously not better than Terry - you're off your rocket.

Gerrard is a world class central midfielder.

peterstorey · 28th March 2008, 10:19

Rocker. Repeating things without addressing the argument doesn't make them so. Where the fuck do you play Gerrard in your Galactic team? Instead of Kaka?

CnutOfAllCnuts · 28th March 2008, 10:20

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Originally Posted by peterstorey

Rocker. Repeating things without addressing the argument doesn't make them so. Where the fuck do you play Gerrard in your Galactic team? Instead of Kaka?

In central midfield, obviously.

demapples · 28th March 2008, 10:21

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Originally Posted by peterstorey

Rocker. Repeating things without addressing the argument doesn't make them so. Where the fuck do you play Gerrard in your Galactic team? Instead of Kaka?

Who would be in your 22?

CnutOfAllCnuts · 28th March 2008, 10:24

I have now realised my mistake, and revised my squad:

Lehman
Almunia

Sagna
Toure
Senderos
Gallas
Djorou
Clichy
Eboue

Diaby
Fabregas
Rosicky
Hleb
Denilson
Flamini
Song
Silva
Walcott

van Persie
Eduardo
Adebayor
Bendtner

CnutOfAllCnuts · 28th March 2008, 10:33

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Originally Posted by CnutOfAllCnuts

Buffon
Cech

Ramos
Zambrotta
Lahm
Evra
Ferdinand
Terry
Nesta

Fabregas
Xavi
Gerrard
Essien
Ronaldo
Ribery
Messi
Ronaldinho
Kaka

Rooney
Henry
Drogba
Torres

Or summat like that..

The ones that are without question in this squad are:

Buffon
Cech
Ferdinand
Nesta
Ronaldo
Messi
Kaka

The rest can probably be swapped for another 20-30 players.

peterstorey · 28th March 2008, 10:36

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Originally Posted by CnutOfAllCnuts

The rest can probably be swapped for another 20-30 players.

Probably, just so long at the other 20-30 don't include Terry or Gerrard.

CnutOfAllCnuts · 28th March 2008, 11:18

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Originally Posted by peterstorey

Probably, just so long at the other 20-30 don't include Terry or Gerrard.

Of course.

You reckon Carragher is better than Terry.

Says it all.

FortBoyard · 28th March 2008, 11:32

Terry is over-rated because he is like some throw-back to 1980s british defending. In reality Ricardo Carvalho is twice the player, and thats just at Chelsea. He is never ever deserving of a place on a list of worlds greatest footballers.

CnutOfAllCnuts · 28th March 2008, 11:40

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Originally Posted by AdN11

Terry is over-rated because he is like some throw-back to 1980s british defending. In reality Ricardo Carvalho is twice the player, and thats just at Chelsea. He is never ever deserving of a place on a list of worlds greatest footballers.

World's greatest footballers, no?

World's greatest centrehalves, definitely.

FortBoyard · 28th March 2008, 11:45

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Originally Posted by CnutOfAllCnuts

World's greatest footballers, no?

World's greatest centrehalves, definitely.

Obviously this is all subjective but i can see the following centrebacks ahead of him...

Ferdinand
Vidic
Toure
Nesta
Carvalho

possibly Gallas.

and thats just like two seconds off the top of my head, there would be other dubious ones such as players who aren't on form at the moment ie Cannanvaro or Puyol. Plus there are players who do not play there all the time (Sergio Ramos), that i would rather see playing for Man United in that position.

p_ps_sock · 28th March 2008, 13:19

Terry is a good defender made to look a lot better by mourinho's system and tactics. Without mourinho he's beginning to look like what we all know him to be, a good player but not world class.

Gerrard's a bit of an enigma, doesn't seem to have matured at all in terms of positioning and approach to the game, steaming about firing shots from stupid distances when there are much better options available, just like the best player in the school yard.

IBleedRed · 28th March 2008, 13:33

In all fariness (though I hate the cnut) Gerrard has had a very good season thus far

28th March 2008, 08:55	#81 (permalink)
devilish Nationality: Italian-English, Maltese Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Cnut's home Posts: 18,015	Franco Baresi European Cup: 1989, 1990, 1994 (now called: UEFA Champions League). Intercontinental Cup: 1989, 1990. European Supercup: 1989, 1990,1994. Italian Championship:1979, 1988, 1992, 1993, 1994, 1996. Italian Super Cup: 1988, 1992, 1993, 1994. World Cup : 1982

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peterstorey Winner of the 'Most pompous arrogant pretentious Gooner' title 2004 Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Happy those, who can remain at Highbury! Posts: 8,664	Yeah England have world class players coming out of their ears and are the bestist team in the world. Have a word la.

28th March 2008, 09:59	#86 (permalink)
peterstorey Winner of the 'Most pompous arrogant pretentious Gooner' title 2004 Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Happy those, who can remain at Highbury! Posts: 8,664	1 in 5 of the best outfield players in the world are English. Yeah right.

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spinoza Paz's ion Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Everything is "blarg". Posts: 22,077	Ferdinand and Rooney might make it into the squad, but that's it.

28th March 2008, 10:19	#93 (permalink)
peterstorey Winner of the 'Most pompous arrogant pretentious Gooner' title 2004 Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Happy those, who can remain at Highbury! Posts: 8,664	Rocker. Repeating things without addressing the argument doesn't make them so. Where the fuck do you play Gerrard in your Galactic team? Instead of Kaka?

28th March 2008, 10:24	#96 (permalink)
CnutOfAllCnuts Bald Boring Cnut Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 20,468	I have now realised my mistake, and revised my squad: Lehman Almunia Sagna Toure Senderos Gallas Djorou Clichy Eboue Diaby Fabregas Rosicky Hleb Denilson Flamini Song Silva Walcott van Persie Eduardo Adebayor Bendtner

28th March 2008, 11:32	#100 (permalink)
FortBoyard AdN11 Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: The Champions of England & Europe Posts: 1,588	Terry is over-rated because he is like some throw-back to 1980s british defending. In reality Ricardo Carvalho is twice the player, and thats just at Chelsea. He is never ever deserving of a place on a list of worlds greatest footballers.

28th March 2008, 13:19	#103 (permalink)
p_ps_sock Reserve Team Player Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: You're a fucking wanker. I didn't rate you as a player, I don't rate you as a manager, and I don't rate you as a person. You're a fucking wanker and you can stick your World Cup up your arse. Posts: 3,031	Terry is a good defender made to look a lot better by mourinho's system and tactics. Without mourinho he's beginning to look like what we all know him to be, a good player but not world class. Gerrard's a bit of an enigma, doesn't seem to have matured at all in terms of positioning and approach to the game, steaming about firing shots from stupid distances when there are much better options available, just like the best player in the school yard.

28th March 2008, 13:33	#104 (permalink)
IBleedRed likes to use pantyhose Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: apparently uses the term "limey" too much Posts: 4,237	In all fariness (though I hate the cnut) Gerrard has had a very good season thus far