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Old 24th February 2010, 08:52   #81 (permalink)
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I think the ref's performance incited the fans more than Mourinho coming out and publicly criticising Frisk.

Yes i think giving the media what it wants is a valid excuse, it highlights his man management ability in deflecting the media spotlight onto him & not the players to ease the pressure on them, Fergie has done it for years. Mourinho is a personality & one which should be celebrated and not criticised for speaking his mind. He should be judge on what he says, just as much as what he does on the pitch. The examples you've given aren't really cause for calling him a cunt. The NHS 'insult' you say is a non-starter as it was about Reading football club, and the Frisk point isn't solely the fault of Mourinho.
You're actually going to defend him saying that Frisk was having a meeting with the Bara coach.....

Some people, even in this thread, would disagree and say these issues are cause for judging him.

Whether it was the NHS or Reading Football club does not seem relevent to me but it obviously does to you so here's the Independants report:

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Jose Mourinho's fury at the fractured skull suffered by Petr Cech on Saturday has not diminished and yesterday he made the extraordinary claim that the goalkeeper could have died because of delays in treatment by South Central ambulance service NHS trust and Reading Football Club.

Even with the first of two back-to-back Champions' League ties against Barcelona tonight, Mourinho's mind was still on the injury to Cech after a visit to see the player at the Radcliffe Infirmary in Oxford on Monday that the Chelsea manager described as "shocking". The condition of Cech, 24, has improved and Mourinho said that he could now speak and had asked for a television to watch football.

Occupying Mourinho's mind yesterday, however, was the 30 minutes that he claimed elapsed between Chelsea's doctor, Bryan English, "urgently" calling for an ambulance and Cech being picked up and taken to the Royal Berkshire hospital. In a wide-ranging attack on the care Cech received, Mourinho said: "If my goalkeeper dies in that dressing-room because of that process it is something for English football to think about."

Chelsea are preparing a letter of complaint to the Football Association which will detail all their grievances including the treatment of Cech, the actions of Stephen Hunt, whose knee inflicted the damage, and a touchline fracas involving Reading's coach, Kevin Dillon, and the Chelsea fitness expert, Rui Faria. Mourinho hinted darkly yesterday that he has noted the comments of pundits who had judged it to be an accident.

On the Cech incident, the Chelsea manager described a train of events that he said quickly became a "nightmare". After Dr English called for an ambulance at the Madejski Stadium he said it became clear the one assigned for match days was on the other side of the pitch and could not reach the dressing-room. Chelsea have suggested the match should have been stopped to allow it to cross the pitch.

Then Mourinho said that Chelsea's medical team were forced to switch Cech to a wheelchair despite his injuries and put him in a lift. Only then was the ambulance was able to take the Czech goalkeeper to hospital. It is a version of events that is strongly disputed by the South Central NHS Trust ambulance service.

"It seems to me that when I did the 'shut up' to the Liverpool fans [gesture at the 2005 Carling Cup final] it was a nightmare," Mourinho said. "It was a nightmare that a Manchester City player [Joey Barton] showed half his arse for two seconds - but this is a real nightmare. You like to write a lot of things. This is much more important than football. I'd like someone to tell me why my goalkeeper was in this situation for 30 minutes."

He got his answer sooner than expected. Reading accused Mourinho of making "very serious factual inaccuracies" and claimed it took just 26 minutes from an ambulance being called to Cech arriving at hospital.

According to Reading's timeline, Chelsea's medical staff were given a choice of transporting Cech in a wheelchair in a lift or around the pitch on a stretcher to the ambulance. They said after a collision that took place at 5.15pm, the player was in the dressing-room by 5.21pm. "At first it was decided not necessary to call an ambulance," Reading said. "At 5.40pm, Cech's condition deteriorated and the Chelsea doctor called for assistance which was immediately raised from the stadium's medical control."

Reading and the South Central ambulance service NHS Trust said that at 5.45pm a paramedic examined Cech and called an ambulance which arrived at 5.52pm. By 6.04pm Cech was in the lift and seven minutes later he was in hospital. Reading pointed out that Chelsea had an option to take him around the pitch - Carlo Cudicini was taken by that route later in the day.

Mourinho also refused to back down in his criticism of Hunt. "I wouldn't change a single word from my interview after the game," he said. "I would rather change them for stronger words but I don't want to do it. I want to forget about it."

Later he said that he had read comments by Arsène Wenger, Alan Shearer and Mark Lawrenson but that he had not changed his mind that Hunt was to blame. "I don't need other people's opinion to make sure of my judgement. Every time I see the incident the more sure I am about it."

John Terry said the players taken to visit Cech on Monday were shocked at condition of the goalkeeper, who had to take off an oxygen mask to speak. "It was a shocking experience and he had a lot of tubes coming out of him," Terry said. "But he had a conversation with the lads and he is doing well."
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Old 24th February 2010, 13:38   #82 (permalink)
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Was just shown this by a newbie and it really is a great read, it was a post by a Porto fan before Mourinho had officially went to Chelsea in July 2004:

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Another post from a Porto and Mourinho's fan. I'll try to explain which concepts and tactics are behind Mourinho's success.


First of all, let's start with the man. As some of you know, he was born surrounded by football, his father was a goalkeeper in Setubal, and later a average portuguese league coach. In a early age, he walked around with his father teams, and helped his father in small tasks in coaching, like sending tactical messages to the players, and, even, scouting the opponent's teams. He was 15, and from those days he learned the secrets of the locker rooms, and how to adress and understand the players.
He was a bellow average player in the youth teams, but early, choosed to follow his father footsteps and surpass him. Therefore he graduated in a Sports University (ISEF), in football, which gave him the theoretic knowledge on Training Methods which he improved later, being nowdays one of the best in the world in that field, integrating always the ball in the tactical and physical exercices, which boosts player motivation to train and overall abilities.
He is considered by one of his most famous college teatchers to be an absolute genious as a coach, unparalleled in the world.
After his degree he was, as you know, assistant coach to Bobby Robson in Sporting Lisbon, Porto and Barcelona, and to Van Gaal, also in Barcelona.
Before he joined Benfica as the first coach, he spent two years writing everything he knowned about football, coaching, and training in a book, which he calls 'The Bible', and which is kept secret (for all i know it was only given to Porto's Chairman, Pinto da Costa, aka The Pope, loll).
This secrecy over his methods is one of the reason's why Mourinho always closes the trainings to the public. Porton fans could only attend to the trainings, on the days following a defeat (that was the agreement made by JM with the fans), and fortunately we hardly did.

One small defect on Mourinho is to be pointed: He's Ego. He is a knowned Narcisist (even diagnosed by a knowkned Psychoanalyst in Portugal) and, eventualy, the teams he coachs, will after 2 or 3 years worn out of him, because of the way he takes success as his own accomplishment, therefore stripping the players of the spotlights. This tends to at a short term motivate the team, seeing themselves in the coach's confidence, but at the long term, they tend to feel that their personal conquests as teamplayers is overshadowed by the focus on the coach. That also was starting to happen in Porto, just before he left, with a huge respect from the players for JM's abilities as a coach, but with a growing distance from the man. Two small episodes from Mourinho's history in Porto: - When he won the UEFA Cup, he ran around the pitch alone, jumping and screaming, while the players celebrated in the oposite side.
- This year after winning the Champions League he did not celebrated with the players, he prefered to go and join his family on the bench, and did not fly home with the players to the apotheothic celebration with the fans, as they did.

To finish the 'Man issue', we can say that he's one of those guys that you love or hate, because he is good, he knows it, shows it and is arrogant if needed. You can hope for a close relation with the team fans, and a dubious relation with the press, the rival managers, and the other teams fans. My guess, is that you Blues fans will adore him, and everyone else will hate him. Just has it happend here in Portugal.



The skills:

Mourinho is world class in:

- Motivating players - wether it is on the locker rooms, or by statements to the press that work, indirectly, has a message for the team. He also has very strong starts in the game (forget the championsleague final) and at the start of the second halfs. He's one of the best giving the team a feeling of reunion, of working together for the same objective, sometime's choosing an exterior enemy to gather the troops against, and it could be the press, a rival club or coach. His players tend to be confident (almost arrogant) and not to shake in important matches, and his team, always (i mean always) adresses a game to win wether they have to atack all game or counter atack. He expects the players to be as confident as he is, and takes's the best, psychologically, of them. If they lack the nerve constantly, they'll be dropped out.

- Tactically - In Porto every player knowned always what it was expected from him in the pitch. How exactly to atack, and who and how to defend. He's a controll freak as he is a workaholic, and even on pre-season friendly matches, every player got a full written report of the other teams tactics and individual abilities. This was so extense, that each player would know the direct oposite player most used driblle, strong points, weak points, etc, etc. Further we can say that each position in the field will have directives of how to play, and that he seeks that in no moment of the game one of his player doesn't know what he should do. This means that every aspect is studied and passed on to players, from indirect kicks, throws, to the exact number of atackers the team must have (3) when the other team has a corner, to start an imediat counter attack, as in normal play, tending the team to work clockwise, with or without the ball.
One example of how minutia he gets, is when he substitute's a player, changing the team's gameplay, he sents the player in with written message's for the key player at midfield telling him how to position. In the portuguese Superliga the tv cameras used to spent there time trying to zoom on the piece of paper with the message.

- Training - For what he brag's about, he is the nÂș 1 in the world, but also by the number of football students, that choose is training methods has a case study for post-graduations. As said before, training is integrated, no more running around the pitch for hours, or physical exercises without the ball. everything is methodically done together.

- The way he reads the game - Mourinho was invited to do the match coments in the Spain-Portugal, and all the country was astonished by his knowledge of the game, tactical nuances, etc, etc. He was so outstanding that days after the match people and the press were still talking about his performance and made us all feel that we didn't understand a thing about real football. The good thing is that the usual tv experts all got blushed with there own ignorance.


Mourinho is good in:

- Making the right subs - Although he reads the game well, at a number of times i was not that much convinced that he made the right subs. And that means something! it means he doesn't go for the popular subs, but for those he thinks will do the team well. Several and several times Porto was able to turn around a negative score, and many times with goals scored by the subs chosen by JM.

Mourinho is not that good in:

- Playing that all atacking football the fans love to see - and this means that you wil not have open games with a lot of goals, neither will you have the pitch full of creative players, only the necessary ones. Forget about 4-5 wins or defeats. As soon as Mourinho as 'his own team', the results will tend to be 1-0 or 2-0, for Chelsea.

- Launching young players - Mourinho only puts on the field the best players he has at the time, not looking at ages (although prefering young motivated players). This means that the 'young-star-to-be' will not play until JM thinks he's the best for that game, even though some gameplay would help him gain experience and fulfill his pottencial. This means, for example, that Joe Cole may have his chance, but that JM won't wait forever to see results.



The tactics: This is the juicy part!!

Where to start? hummmmmm...... by the defense, as JM always does!
Expect a zonal defence, using one strong mark CB and the other CB being free and pacey (Terry and Gallas?). Most of the times the defense will use off line tactics to stop teams with speedy forwards.
One thing JM is strong about is the heigth of the wingbacks: they have to be tall and able to help in central defense when needed (that's why Ibarra was shipped to Monaco on loan). This means that when oposite team is atacking down one flank, the defender of the oposite flank goes imediatly to the center to help defending. They also help on atack with quick combinations with the winger (Porto was great in that) but expect more runs with the ball when the team is playing in diamond formation, without wingers. Defensive compensations are made by the CD or by the DM if he is playing in 4-3-3 (actualy it is a 4-2-3-1) or by the two midfielders in the edge when he plays a diamond formation.

Midfield - I think you'll see various systems with the same dynamic of play. The 4-3-3 for the easier games and the home games, consisting of two wingers and a striker in atack, and a triangle in the midfield (this was the most famous tactic used by him in portugal for the superliga, not the diamond, that he only used in derby's and in the championsleague, because he had is wingers not available for the competition). The triangle consists of one DM who will have a very important role in the positioning of the team, he might help the central defenders if needed (if he is tall) or positioning the team to atack by defending high on the field. It is not important for JM that he has briliant technic, it is far more important that he is tactically inteligent in his actions. The other two players would be a midfielder who can both atack and defend well, with a good long range shoot and pass (like maniche) and the other would be the 10, to whom is given freedom, but also expected to help the team defend if needed.
In the Diamond formation (which is a 4-4-2 system without wingers) used only in matches against similar or superior teams, he will use two players who can both defend and atack, by the edge of the diamond, which may also explore the wings for atack. The low tip of the diamond is a DM and the atacking tip a nÂș 10 (9,5 like Platini), playing closer to the atackers and using the space in there back to atack in the middle or leaning to the wings in some of the atacking moves of the team.

Atack - Expect your forwards to be... defenders! Calm down! He is not Otto Rehagel and you'll not be fans of the english greek team. What i mean is that the most important aspect of the way JM plays with his teams is closing down on the opponent. He is obcessed by it, specialy on doing it on the other team half pitch, right in there defense, destroying the possibility of building any game, or even long balls to the atack, because our forwards will close down on each player who has the ball, increasing the mistakes made, and the passes missed. Expect many goals to be scored by some atacker stealing the ball to a defender. His closing down sistem is not defensive, by the oposite, it's atacking, because he do it high in the other team field (we call it in portugal 'high pressure' which would mean something like 'high closing down'). Atackers, midfielders, everyone but the CD will close down, and that's why many great teams that played against Porto, simply just didn't play a thing. The team will work as a block, all the sections close together, limiting the other teams space to play. You will see in many games, you're central defenders in the half pitch line.
The atacking system will consist of 2 wingers and a striker (if in 4-3-3) or a striker and a pacey forward with some positional freedom (if in Diamond). All of them are expected to help the team defending (by the Closing Down), but not to move backwards too much because JM likes to leave a threat in the atack when he is defending in his side of the pitch.

Overal Tactic-
With the ball - take the game into the other team half side, short pass, and envolvement movements in which all the players participate.
Without the ball - close down fast on the oponent, to take him the ball or make him miss his pass. Everyone helps defending, and the sectors work close to each other.

To keep in mind: JM for many ocasions argued that he preferes players who are not stars, or premadonas, but that are young (24-26) and never won a thing, so that he can motivate them to winning and not just settle for their past trophies. JM said once in Portugal that he could never be a coach in a team like R. Madrid because of the way players acted like stars, missing on training, or going out at night. Therefore don't expect someone like Ronaldo ever to come to Chelsea if JM is not sure that he is going to die on the field if needed.

I hope this is of some use for you Chelsea fans. I will also start to suport the team, and you're complex but exciting coach
So much of that still looks absolutely spot on, whether it's with the diamond at Inter or the 4-3-3 at Chelsea. He really knew Mourinho inside-out.
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Being the well balanced individual I am, I'm watching this with my Chelsea supporting mate at 4am and then going straight to uni.
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Do you think so?

I can see Drogba causing them problems at the back, and Inter won't get enough balls in from wide to put Cech under pressure.
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Do you think so?

I can see Drogba causing them problems at the back, and Inter won't get enough balls in from wide to put Cech under pressure.
I wasn't being entirely serious what with them being up against the Almighty and all. I keep thinking the Italians must get a result against the English but they never do. They've still got problems playing against the tempo of the English teams, Milan were completely sold out in the last 20/30 minutes against you.
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And he seemed wronged by the ref after and Jose couldn't believe it! Inter give me jokes sometimes.
The referee squaring up to Eto'o when he gave him the yellow card was pretty hilarious though. He couldn't wait to book him.
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Was just shown this by a newbie and it really is a great read, it was a post by a Porto fan before Mourinho had officially went to Chelsea in July 2004:



So much of that still looks absolutely spot on, whether it's with the diamond at Inter or the 4-3-3 at Chelsea. He really knew Mourinho inside-out.
Great read.
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Was just shown this by a newbie and it really is a great read, it was a post by a Porto fan before Mourinho had officially went to Chelsea in July 2004:



So much of that still looks absolutely spot on, whether it's with the diamond at Inter or the 4-3-3 at Chelsea. He really knew Mourinho inside-out.
Really enjoyed that. Thanks.
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So you would be in the disrespectful opposition fans corner?

Rafa is a cunt, nobody at chelsea has ever been a cunt, and Wenger is not a cunt.

Calling someone a cunt is the ultimate sign of disrespect... So because Fergie wins lots, he's a cunt? I don't know too many supporters other than those scouse twats who even refer to Fergie in a onlynegative light.

Well ain't he the cuntiest cunt i've ever seen.
When was I only negative about him, in that same quote you used I say how I love the guy but be honest for a minute, which manager disrespects other teams as much as fergie? Which manager pressures referee's as much as fergie? Which manager complains as much as fergie? He is as big a cunt as any in the game to a nuetral, which is the angle I was trying to point out, but it appears to be lost on you.

Also I love the irony on how scousers who think fergie is a cunt are twats in the same post you say rafa's a cunt, gotta laugh at this.
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You're actually going to defend him saying that Frisk was having a meeting with the Bara coach.....

Some people, even in this thread, would disagree and say these issues are cause for judging him.

Whether it was the NHS or Reading Football club does not seem relevent to me but it obviously does to you so here's the Independants report:
Yeah i'm defending it, his comments were not the sole reason why Frisk retired. The ref from the Chelsea vs Barca game last season got more stick than Frisk & he's back refereeing.

As for the independents report, you haven't read it have you? Mourinho comments about the football clubs inability in dealing with the situation promptly, absolutely nothing about the NHS and certainly nothing insulting about the NHS.

That said, he's the only manager with the qualifications to take the United job, both on the field & off it.
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I am very happy at Inter. I am not happy in Italian football. I don't like it. They don't like me.

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I really want to dislike him but can't. If it wasn't for his superb record, you would think the bloke is a fool, but he is just so clever.
Wouldn't surprise me if this latest stint is to take the flack of his Inter side and put the focus on him for the run in. Very clever.
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He is very clever. Any time his team are under any pressure, he puts the spotlight on himself. Fair enough, he loves the spotlight, but you can't knock his record which is brilliant. He knows how to do something right anyway.
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Maybe he behaves like this when the team are under pressure because he is also feeling the pressure.
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Pretty much whoring himself to any club out there tonight. Doubt Inter will be too happy he is doing it on the eve of a UCL quarter final. He'll be gone next year.
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Pretty much whoring himself to any club out there tonight. Doubt Inter will be too happy he is doing it on the eve of a UCL quarter final. He'll be gone next year.
Not whoring himself at all, just saying once again that he really hates the FIGC officials, the media and the hostility he has been constantly getting since his first moments here but not the club. Inter stand with him, Moratti above all, so the fans, I don't remember another Inter coach getting so much support. If Mourinho decides to go next year it's just 'cause he's really sick of Italian football.
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Sorry, I just can't hate the guy anymore. He's quality
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Not whoring himself at all, just saying once again that he really hates the FIGC officials, the media and the hostility he has been constantly getting since his first moments here but not the club. Inter stand with him, Moratti above all, so the fans, I don't remember another Inter coach getting so much support. If Mourinho decides to go next year it's just 'cause he's really sick of Italian football.
He'll be gone soon, mark our words, he's never been a man for a long term plan.

Nothing to do with him being "sick of Italian football".

And his exit will probably be accelerated by you lot inevitably flopping in Europe and losing the title to Roma.
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It's true, the amount of stick he gets from Italian media is just outrageous really
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He's a prick. And the tactic of taking the spotlight off the players and onto yourself is nothing new...IF that was what he was attemping. In my view, he's just a fucking WUM who loves the attention.
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It's true, the amount of stick he gets from Italian media is just outrageous really
It isn't really.

They see through his media play acting drama, unlike our shit media, hailing him as "The Special One" and all that crap.

He then just exaggerates it and plays the victim. He should've been an actor rather than a manager. Probably would have been better at that profession as well.
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Not whoring himself at all, just saying once again that he really hates the FIGC officials, the media and the hostility he has been constantly getting since his first moments here but not the club. Inter stand with him, Moratti above all, so the fans, I don't remember another Inter coach getting so much support. If Mourinho decides to go next year it's just 'cause he's really sick of Italian football.
Spot on.
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He'll be gone soon, mark our words, he's never been a man for a long term plan.

Nothing to do with him being "sick of Italian football".

And his exit will probably be accelerated by you lot inevitably flopping in Europe and losing the title to Roma.
Wow, Roma worshippers have been multiplying lately

He praises the English football environment all the time and he's attacked by the Italian press and sometimes by other managers, he had rows and arguments of any sorts here, more often than in his Chelsea times, so it's evident he doesn't like Italian football and might soon get sick of it, nothing to do with the club.

I don't mark any words, we'll see at the end of the season what the club's achievements will be. If he won't stay, we'll thank him and sign some other manager.
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Wow, Roma worshippers have been multiplying lately

He praises the English football environment all the time and he's attacked by the Italian press and sometimes by other managers, he had rows and arguments of any sorts here, more often than in his Chelsea times, so it's evident he doesn't like Italian football and might soon get sick of it, nothing to do with the club.

I don't mark any words, we'll see at the end of the season what the club's achievements will be. If he won't stay, we'll thank him and sign some other manager.
So thinking Roma will win Serie A makes me a Roma worshipper?

The strength in opposition against you lot may be weak (Juventus ) but that doesn't give you a God given right to win Serie A.

Guess his arrogance has filtered through to the fans...

I think Inter should get Prandelli in as replacement but Moratti will do something stupid no doubt.
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It isn't really.

They see through his media play acting drama, unlike our shit media, hailing him as "The Special One" and all that crap.

He then just exaggerates it and plays the victim. He should've been an actor rather than a manager. Probably would have been better at that profession as well.
Last Sunday in the program Stadio sprint the Rai journalist Enrico Varriale asked Mazzari, the Napoli coach, this question : " Don't you think that Ranieri's victory over Mourinho yesterday can be considered as a revenge of the Italian school of coaches over the foreign one?" And Mazzarri replied : "Yes, absolutely, I've always claimed that Italian managers have nothing to learn from foreign ones".

I couldn't believe how idiotic the whole debate was, this is a perfect example to sum up the Mourinho hatred in Italy, every country is proud about its football, England, Spain, France, Germany but here we're proud in the wrong way, we think that no foreign coach could be (or should be) successful in the self-proclaimed country of master tacticians. Add the jealousy about his wage (always pointed out in every footballing debate on whatever sport channel), his worldwide reputation and the fact he always speak his mind, thus hardly playing the victim and you get the full picture.
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Last Sunday in the program Stadio sprint the Rai journalist Enrico Varriale asked Mazzari, the Napoli coach, this question : " Don't you think that Ranieri's victory over Mourinho yesterday can be considered as a revenge of the Italian school of coaches over the foreign one?" And Mazzarri replied : "Yes, absolutely, I've always claimed that Italian managers have nothing to learn from foreign ones".

I couldn't believe how idiotic the whole debate was, this is a perfect example to sum up the Mourinho hatred in Italy, every country is proud about its football, England, Spain, France, Germany but here we're proud in the wrong way, we think that no foreign coach could be (or should be) successful in the self-proclaimed country of master tacticians. Add the jealousy about his wage (always pointed out in every footballing debate on whatever sport channel), his worldwide reputation and the fact he always speak his mind, thus hardly playing the victim and you get the full picture.
When you have such a lack of modesty and humility as Jose does, you're always going to be an easy target for haters.

And I'm not surprised Italians are proud, it's an undeniable fact that some of the best tacticians have come from there.

Seems to me like you think there's some sort of conspriracy against your lot, maybe ABU-ish?

The best team in the land is obviously going to be hated the most and this effect is exaggerated by having some dislikable characters in your side. Get over it.

When Juve or Milan or whoever else has a good run of success, it'll be the same.
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So thinking Roma will win Serie A makes me a Roma worshipper?

The strength in opposition against you lot may be weak (Juventus ) but that doesn't give you a God given right to win Serie A.

Guess his arrogance has filtered through to the fans...

I think Inter should get Prandelli in as replacement but Moratti will do something stupid no doubt.
I just meant that everybody wants Roma to win. Juventus have been laughable this year but Roma and AC Milan are still in the title race, so they're perfectly able to win the scudetto. I don't think the opposition has been weak, there are 2-3 title contenders as in the other major European leagues.

Appearently Moratti likes Blanc but I would prefer Prandelli, since he can work with youngsters and had his Fiorentina team play lovely attacking football. Neither the two managers seem able to deal with the pressure of working at Inter anyway, too soft-spoken.
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When you have such a lack of modesty and humility as Jose does, you're always going to be an easy target for haters.

And I'm not surprised Italians are proud, it's an undeniable fact that some of the best tacticians have come from there.

Seems to me like you think there's some sort of conspriracy against your lot, maybe ABU-ish?

The best team in the land is obviously going to be hated the most and this effect is exaggerated by having some dislikable characters in your side. Get over it.

When Juve or Milan or whoever else has a good run of success, it'll be the same.
Not sure how you can read what Interista wrote and think it's all down to Jose, he's treated unfairly over there in my opinion. Everyone gets their dig in, he just shouldn't speak at all, infact that's what he's doing. Yet I'm sure shit is still being spoken about him.
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I just meant that everybody wants Roma to win. Juventus have been laughable this year but Roma and AC Milan are still in the title race, so they're perfectly able to win the scudetto. I don't think the opposition has been weak, there are 2-3 title contenders as in the other major European leagues.

Appearently Moratti likes Blanc but I would prefer Prandelli, since he can work with youngsters and had his Fiorentina team play lovely attacking football. Neither the two managers seem able to deal with the pressure of working at Inter anyway, too soft-spoken.
Calciopolli deprived us of the great league battles of the past, although Inter were screwed out of the 97/98 title so maybe it was justice.

You can be "soft-spoken" and still handle pressure, a certain Roy Hodgson had two spells at your club.
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Not sure how you can read what Interista wrote and think it's all down to Jose, he's treated unfairly over there in my opinion. Everyone gets their dig in, he just shouldn't speak at all, infact that's what he's doing. Yet I'm sure shit is still being spoken about him.
I never said it's "all down to Jose" but I feel someone of his experience could have handled the situation better and to his advantage.

He has sort of got a "seige mentality" out of this, which could work to his advantage come the end of the season.
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When you have such a lack of modesty and humility as Jose does, you're always going to be an easy target for haters.

And I'm not surprised Italians are proud, it's an undeniable fact that some of the best tacticians have come from there.

Seems to me like you think there's some sort of conspriracy against your lot, maybe ABU-ish?

The best team in the land is obviously going to be hated the most and this effect is exaggerated by having some dislikable characters in your side. Get over it.

When Juve or Milan or whoever else has a good run of success, it'll be the same.
Yes but it's unright to make him the nation's number one and allow showgirls, religious authorities, gossip journalists and other people who have nothing to do with football to have a go at him, brainwashing also watchers who don't care about this sport. Now every housewife knows Mourinho is arrogant and earns a lot of money and probably thinks he is overrated

It's undeniable that Italians have been incredibly influential in the history of football but at the same time there have been many successful foreign coaches here, Herrera, Liedholm, Boskov, Eriksson so journalists and Mourinho's colleagues should be more open-minded.

Maybe you didn't read my other posts dealing with the serie A but I've always dismissed any conspiracy claims, I want to believe that this stuff ended in 2006 so I disagree with some things Mourinho said. We're hated and it's obvious since our biggest rivals, just like us, have a huge fanbase in Italy and the press has to write anti-Inter stuff to make them happy. I already got over it, I was just explaining my point of view.
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Calciopolli deprived us of the great league battles of the past, although Inter were screwed out of the 97/98 title so maybe it was justice.

You can be "soft-spoken" and still handle pressure, a certain Roy Hodgson had two spells at your club.
Oh it's good to read that you know what went on in the 1997/98 season, that's exactly when the Juve-Inter rivalry reached boiling point. I personally wouldn't have accepted the title we were handed after the Calciopoli scandal, even if it was a perfectly legitimate decision according to the rules but it can be considered as a sort of compensation for what happened 8 years earlier. I think that sooner or later the serie A will be considered very competitive again, I'm not sure about Juve's chances to win the title in the next 2-3 years but there are clubs on the rise such as Palermo, Napoli and Sampdoria that can become very strong, then Roma and AC Milan are competitive at least in the league despite the lack of funds.

Hodgson, Simoni, Cuper, we've had low-profile coaches but I prefer "a sergeant" as he could oppose Moratti's excessive indulgence with players.
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It's undeniable that Italians have been incredibly influential in the history of football but at the same time there have been many successful foreign coaches here, Herrera.
I'd forgotten that Herrera wasn't Italian, he was more Italian than the Italians themselves.
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I'd forgotten that Herrera wasn't Italian, he was more Italian than the Italians themselves.
Absolutely true, his tactical beliefs couldn't have been more Italian. I have to admit I'm a fan of attacking football though
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