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Pep Guardiola agrees contract with Bayern
La Liga (3): 2008–09, 2009–10, 2010–11
Copa del Rey (1): 2009 Supercopa de España (2): 2009, 2010 UEFA Champions League (2): 2009, 2011 UEFA Super Cup (1): 2009 FIFA Club World Cup (1): 2009 At the age of 40!
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To be fair he's inherited what's probably the best team in the last 30 years, at such a young age to boot.
Congratulations to him, but I'd like to see him prove himself with a lesser team before we bestow high praise on him. |
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A monkey could manage barcelona and still manage to win trophies, the team picks itself and just goes out and plays football, it doesnt really take any tactical mastery from the manager, he installs a bit of disicpline and reminds then to defend every so often
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I will say this, they could have won the champions league three years in a row if he hadn't have bought Ibrahimovic. That's the one thing that i hold against him, he changed a very good teams style to try and accomodate him and they weren't the same. Still bloody good though and he fixed it the next season!
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Apparently he might leave Barca, perhaps SAF should have a word in his shell like, ask him to come onboard at OT as manager elect in a year or so?
No pressure on him, work on the youth, discuss tactics etc? He's the only manger around, apart from SAF, who I'd like to see at OT some day... |
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Plus he is only 40. He can be untouchable as a manager with this Barca team. |
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I don't know why he would want to leave Barca, but apparently its not out of the question. Apparently the pressure on him is too much or something, there have been quite a few reports in the build up today.
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![]() What's with the inherited a good side stuff? Rijkaard had Eto'o for Villa, Henry for Pedro plus Ronaldinho in the ranks and he managed to mess it up. Plus, haven't most of these players who came through been coached by Guardiola himself when they were young? He's a brilliant first team coach. He would need to make the step up and become a brilliant manager, something which the likes of Benitez, Juande Ramos, etc. haven't managed to do from Spain. |
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He can't really. He can never reach Fergie's and many other great managers levels of greatness. The main pieces of this team that make it what it is haven't even been put together by him. He's a good manager but to be a great manager he has to build a good team and a few times from not the most privileged position. |
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Guardiola is also very lucky to have inherited this Barca team with Xavi, Iniesta and Messi all at their peak (well...perhaps not yet for Messi, but even then he's the best in the world) |
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pep could go potless for 2-3 years, and whilst the pressure would be great, he wouldn't get sacked. |
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That makes sense though because expectations are relative to the resources you have at your disposal. He really should be winning La Liga every year given he has only Real to compete with and they're nowhere near as good as Barca. At United there is much more competition from other clubs.
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Guardiola made Messi and Iniesta the players they are. He groomed Busquets and Pedro. Plus, earmarking the likes of Pique, Alvez and Villa to integrate them into his revamped set-up. Not really... |
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All that is besides the original point, which was about Guardiola having to thank Rijkaard for inheriting a great squad, which isn't true at all considering he chucked out all of Deco, Ronaldinho, Zambrotta, Thuram, Gudjohnsen close to his arrival and replaced them with the very reserves he coached for a year or so. Without defining parameters for bigger and better, one cannot just brand Club X bigger and better than Club Y. Dunno how you can just off-hand say United are bigger and better than Barca. |
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Very true. But I reckon we'll go with someone more experienced or is more likely to be able to be comfortable with the English game.
I would be unsure about Guardiola but I think he has a lot of class about him so I wouldn't be upset. Fergie seems to like him a lot. |
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He comes across as a class act, regardless of whether he shaped this team himself or inherited it. He's got some great players at his disposal but he's still got them winning everything in sight so I think it's churlish to question his credentials until results prove otherwise.
Last edited by NJ1979; 28th May 2011 at 22:58. Reason: Phil Thmpson is a big-nosed cunt. |
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He's developed Cruyff's philosophy further. That's no small achievment.
Barcelona are what they are because of their philosophy. They aren't the best team just because they have the luck to have the best players. Their academy has produced those players and it has produced those players for it has implemented Cruyff's philosophy. |
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