Pick your England squad for the 2012 Euros

Raven Blade · 16th May 2012, 17:12

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Originally Posted by Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber

I suggest not watching.

I don't have a choice.

England till I die...

Mockney · 16th May 2012, 17:16

At least we can always rely on a draw with Sweden....

Annihilate Now! · 16th May 2012, 17:21

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Originally Posted by Mockney

At least we can always rely on a draw with Sweden....

Zlatan says no.

Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber · 16th May 2012, 17:38

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Originally Posted by Raven Blade

I don't have a choice.

England till I die...

I know what you mean.

Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber · 16th May 2012, 17:44

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage...and-squad.html

Mockney · 16th May 2012, 17:50

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Originally Posted by Annihilate Now!

Zlatan says no.

At least we can always rely on Zlatan not showing up in a major tournament.

Giggsy PO · 16th May 2012, 17:53

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"I would be lying if that [the ability to play matches close together] was the major reason for not selecting him.

That was the only possible credible reason.

Ruling that out this man is officially insane.

Pexbo · 16th May 2012, 18:25

Hart

Johnson - Cahill - Terry - Cole

Walcott - Barry - Gerrard - Lampard - Downing

Carroll

Does your stomach turn inside out like mine does?

Walrus · 16th May 2012, 18:45

Terrible, terrible squad.

This was the chance to get rid of the old guard and start building a new team of exciting young players. Instead we have another tournament of Gerrard and Lampard, Terry and Barry.

Very very disappointed.

bsc · 16th May 2012, 19:01

Roy basically had a free pass at this tournament to blood youth for the future; people's expectations were so low they'd have accepted a transitional tournament.

Now he's reverted to the same tired old guard, nothing has really changed and he'll be given a hell of a lot less patience now.

peterstorey · 16th May 2012, 20:07

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Originally Posted by Walrus

Terrible, terrible squad.

This was the chance to get rid of the old guard and start building a new team of exciting young players. Instead we have another tournament of Gerrard and Lampard, Terry and Barry.

Very very disappointed.

Yeah but I don't see who's bubbling under. Ox is going but him aside the future of English football doesn't look too clever. (ley)

KM · 16th May 2012, 20:19

If everybody's fit, then I would love to see a midfield three of Wilshere-Carrick-Rooney(playing just behind the striker who's gonna be Welbeck). Never gonna happen though.

Nick 0208 Ldn · 16th May 2012, 23:16

I hope Roy tries out both Jones and Johnson at right back in the friendlies, and two variations of the front six also.

No good finding out that we have a fatl flaw in the first half hour against the French [an avoidable one that is].

TheReligion · 16th May 2012, 23:37

Well how bizarre

Downing has been selected after 36 league games with 0 goals and 0 assists. What an example to set to other players looking to get into the set up. Basically have a left foot and you are in, no matter how crap you are.

I hope Danny Welbeck gets some game time as I think if England go for a Rooney-Welbeck front two we will at least see some entertaining football.

DFreshKing · 16th May 2012, 23:41

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Originally Posted by peterstorey

Yeah but I don't see who's bubbling under. Ox is going but him aside the future of English football doesn't look too clever. (ley)

Add wilshire, Sturrage and welbeck to that. Not a bad set of youngsters to be fair.

TheReligion · 16th May 2012, 23:44

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Originally Posted by DFreshKing

Add wilshire, Sturrage and welbeck to that. Not a bad set of youngsters to be fair.

Smalling, Jones, Cleverley, Welbeck, Sturridge, Wilshire, Chamberlain, Walker

I don't think England look too bad really Pete

TheHorse'sMouth · 16th May 2012, 23:52

At least SWP wasn't given his token ticket onto the plane. Suppose Downing going is even worse..worse than fucking SWP, that's saying something quite tragic.

Joey Mac · 17th May 2012, 00:07

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Originally Posted by TheReligion

Smalling, Jones, Cleverley, Welbeck, Sturridge, Wilshire, Chamberlain, Walker

I don't think England look too bad really Pete

Can just about add Joe Hart to that list, given he's a keeper. Rooney's got years left in him, too.

Nick 0208 Ldn · 17th May 2012, 00:27

Non-Roy England

Manager: Harry Redknapp

----------Stockdale--------
-Richards-Rio-Jagielka-Gibbs-
-----Carrick----Scholes------
-Lennon--J Cole--A Johnson-
------------Crouch----------

Bench:
Amos
Holt
Cleverly
Sturridge
Sinclair
King
Bridge

Of course this doesn't include injured players like Walker, Smalling and Rodwell.

rcoobc · 17th May 2012, 00:56

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Q. Why is there no Michael Carrick, even on stand-by?

A. The Manchester United midfielder has effectively retired from international football, Hodgson revealed yesterday. The decision was made months ago, before Hodgson's appointment, although Carrick has given the new England manager an assurance that if the situation becomes dire – and Scott Parker is still a major doubt – then he would be available. Carrick's England career has never been a particularly happy one. He made his debut as a 19-year-old in 2001 but there were almost four years between his second and third caps. Having grown tired of being a squad member but rarely playing, he last featured more than two years ago against Mexico, the country he made his debut against. Hodgson said: "I wouldn't dream of putting Michael Carrick on a standby list after he's made it clear in the past he doesn't want to be involved like that. I'd have to be convinced he was better than the four I've selected, and that he'd be happy to come out of retirement."

Ah.

rcoobc · 17th May 2012, 01:06

Fuck sake, all his answers are just: "I spoke to Kenny about it."
http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/f...s-7758040.html

Q. Why is Jordan Henderson on stand-by?

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"His recent matches have been very good in the centre of midfield. A young player coming to a big club, where there's a lot of competition in the middle of midfield, so you get pushed out to the wider areas where you're not quite as comfortable as you would be playing centrally. In the future, he'll play there. He has tremendous athleticism, great box-to-box ability, and Kenny appreciates that in his play. Stuart Pearce with the Under-21s has been full of praise for Jordan's ability. That's one of the reasons."

Q. Was Andy Carroll selected on the basis of two performances against Chelsea?

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"The conversation with Kenny maybe put my mind to rest with regards to the criticism he's faced for extra-footballing activities. That was very important for me. "Arguably, the type of player he is balances up with the other type of forwards we have. He will give me other options because of his target play and ability. He's also a player who is capable of making runs into the channels, can turn defences around, and can do damage on crosses. It's a profile issue. But it would be fair to say his late burst has maybe given him the nod."

LLMU · 17th May 2012, 01:35

A very weak forward line bearing in mind that Rooney is out for the first two games. Interesting to see how England would set up in the next two friendlies

pillory · 17th May 2012, 02:33

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Originally Posted by peterstorey

Yeah but I don't see who's bubbling under. Ox is going but him aside the future of English football doesn't look too clever. (ley)

Smalling and Wilshire will win WC 2014 single/double-handedly.

Ferguson · 17th May 2012, 03:13

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Originally Posted by TheReligion

Smalling, Jones, Cleverley, Welbeck, Sturridge, Wilshire, Chamberlain, Walker

I don't think England look too bad really Pete

Yeah, and half of them are United players. Throw Rooney and Joe Hart in there and that still remains true.

Ferguson · 17th May 2012, 03:15

Of course knowing England they will be careful not to exceed their limit by taking too many United players with them.

It'll be Cleverly getting ignored in the future.

Nick 0208 Ldn · 17th May 2012, 03:22

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Originally Posted by rcoobc

Ah.

The problem here appears to be one of usage, and Carrick is not the only oen to have suffered in this fashion for England during the era of the "golden generation". It could be argued that he, Scholes and Joe Cole never fulfilled their potential due to the obsession with Gerrard-Lampard in midfield.

Would Carrick be so reluctant if Hodgson had made it clear to him that he would be a certain starter? I would doubt it.

Some of those articles you have posted make me wonder if Roy's limited time in the job has led to an unhealthy dependency on the opinions of interests of club manages. Although even with just paper reports to look at some of his selections are perplexing to say the least.

NoLogo · 17th May 2012, 03:34

Hart
Johnson -- Cahill -- Terry -- Cole
Barry -- Carrick -- Parker
Gerrard
Rooney -- Welbeck

That's the setup I would probably chose.

I don't feel that your wingers are good enough to justify playing them.

Your central midfielders on the other hand are quite good.

So some Italian style 4-3-1-2 like Milan is playing it would be a good option for you imo.

It would also allow Gerrard or Lampard to play in a position where I think they are most effective as attacking midfielders behind our proven striker partnership with Welbeck and Rooney.

Tyy Dyyy · 17th May 2012, 03:38

Worst England squad I've ever seen. How Lampard and Gerrard still get in that team is a big question, what is absolutley laughable is having Downing or Henderson anywhere near it. Ferdinand is a much better defender than Terry, so I don't understand that one either. Fuck it, I could be here all night, suffice to say, barring a miracle, England will be a laughing stock again with this squad. It's a pity, a manager with some balls, picking fresh young talent could have brought ye a long way.

You'll probably end up going home at the group stages along with us Paddies.

mariachi-19 · 17th May 2012, 03:45

So rely on Pearce and Kenny's opinion on players to form a national team. Fuck me.

Also while Cleverly may not have had a great season. He'd be a dam fucking site better than lampard chasing shadows against decent teams. Tom atleast has youth, speed and agility on his side. Not to mention his ability to link up well with Rooney and Welbeck.

ravelston · 17th May 2012, 03:53

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Originally Posted by Walrus

Terrible, terrible squad.

This was the chance to get rid of the old guard and start building a new team of exciting young players. Instead we have another tournament of Gerrard and Lampard, Terry and Barry.

Very very disappointed.

Who did you have in mind? Smalling, Walker, Wilshere and Cleverley are obvious, but unavailable. Adam Johnson can't get a game for City which has to tell you something. Richards I would have liked to see, but I'm happy Jones got the spot. Rodwell? Henderson (I can't even believe he's listed as a possible backup - especially as Parker may miss out)? I've run out of names, unless you want to draft in some of the Swansea midfield.

Nick 0208 Ldn · 17th May 2012, 03:58

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Originally Posted by ravelston

Adam Johnson can't get a game for City which has to tell you something.

Yes, it does.

He's at the wrong club and in danger of doing to his career what Scott Parker did through his move to Chelsea.

Johnson nonetheless made appeaances for England over the last twelve months, Hodgson simply preferred Downing as an option or to have Chamberlain as an observer.

ravelston · 17th May 2012, 04:03

I forgot Sturridge - but he's become more and more self obsessed and less productive as the season has gone on so I can understand it.

davisjw · 17th May 2012, 05:28

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Originally Posted by Nick 0208 Ldn

Non-Roy England

Manager: Harry Redknapp

----------Stockdale--------
-Richards-Rio-Jagielka-Gibbs-
-----Carrick----Scholes------
-Lennon--J Cole--A Johnson-
------------Crouch----------

Bench:
Amos
Holt
Cleverly
Sturridge
Sinclair
King
Bridge

Of course this doesn't include injured players like Walker, Smalling and Rodwell.

Why Cole?

Zen · 17th May 2012, 05:49

Some making out Carrick could still go if he's given the assurance he'd play Parkers starting role should he not recover from this injury he has.....that or Henderson coming from the standby.

I don't get it, I thought this and the standby list was final, what's the point in announcing it if you can change it? Like I could understand if you got like more injuries than are on your standby list.

Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber · 17th May 2012, 06:41

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Originally Posted by Zen

Some making out Carrick could still go if he's given the assurance he'd play Parkers starting role should he not recover from this injury he has.....that or Henderson coming from the standby.

I don't get it, I thought this and the standby list was final, what's the point in announcing it if you can change it? Like I could understand if you got like more injuries than are on your standby list.

A stand by list can be inflated as seen fit.

Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber · 17th May 2012, 06:44

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Originally Posted by rcoobc

Fuck sake, all his answers are just: "I spoke to Kenny about it."
http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/f...s-7758040.html

Q. Why is Jordan Henderson on stand-by?
Quote:
"His recent matches have been very good in the centre of midfield. A young player coming to a big club, where there's a lot of competition in the middle of midfield, so you get pushed out to the wider areas where you're not quite as comfortable as you would be playing centrally. In the future, he'll play there. He has tremendous athleticism, great box-to-box ability, and Kenny appreciates that in his play. Stuart Pearce with the Under-21s has been full of praise for Jordan's ability. That's one of the reasons."
Q. Was Andy Carroll selected on the basis of two performances against Chelsea?
Quote:
"The conversation with Kenny maybe put my mind to rest with regards to the criticism he's faced for extra-footballing activities. That was very important for me. "Arguably, the type of player he is balances up with the other type of forwards we have. He will give me other options because of his target play and ability. He's also a player who is capable of making runs into the channels, can turn defences around, and can do damage on crosses. It's a profile issue. But it would be fair to say his late burst has maybe given him the nod."

Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber · 17th May 2012, 06:51

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Originally Posted by rcoobc

Ah.

interesting

vanthaman · 17th May 2012, 07:23

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Originally Posted by Zen

Some making out Carrick could still go if he's given the assurance he'd play Parkers starting role should he not recover from this injury he has.....that or Henderson coming from the standby.

BBC are saying Carrick told them he didn't want to be considered If he was a bit part player but would play if needed.

DFreshKing · 17th May 2012, 09:02

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Originally Posted by ravelston

Who did you have in mind? Smalling, Walker, Wilshere and Cleverley are obvious, but unavailable. Adam Johnson can't get a game for City which has to tell you something. Richards I would have liked to see, but I'm happy Jones got the spot. Rodwell? Henderson (I can't even believe he's listed as a possible backup - especially as Parker may miss out)? I've run out of names, unless you want to draft in some of the Swansea midfield.

Adam Johnson Played 41 times for City last season. Had more assists and goals than Downing so can't understand your argument.

Sturridge has looked very good for England and Chelsea at times this season. He can also cover wide or striker and gives flexibility to the formation.

Two of the best attacking talents we have left at home but we have milner and Downing on the plane, Crazy.

A lot rests on Welbeck in this squad to get us to the later rounds, knowing Roy he probably won't play.

DFreshKing · 17th May 2012, 09:27

Hart, Green, Ruddy

Johnson, Richards, Jones, Cahill, Lescott, Ferdinand, Cole, Baines

Lampard, Gerrard, Parker, Barry, Carrick

Johnson, Chamberlain, Young, Walcott, Rooney, Welbeck, Sturridge,

For Footballing reasons I would pick terry but I could not pick someone stripped of the captaincy twice and currently on a charge for racism.

I thought the idea for this tournament was to bed in youth and take a long view of getting the team together for the Brazil world cup?

That plan lasted all of five minutes.

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16th May 2012, 17:16	#842 (permalink)
Mockney Not the only poster to be named Poster of the Year twice Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Bangerang Posts: 29,039	At least we can always rely on a draw with Sweden....

16th May 2012, 17:44	#845 (permalink)
Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber Thus says Kemo Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Founder of IhateMakeleles.org and Gourcufffanboysareus.com Posts: 40,865	http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage...and-squad.html

16th May 2012, 18:25	#848 (permalink)
Pexbo He'll have your eye out and listed on Amazon before you can say "ow!" Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: T'Internet Posts: 11,797	Hart Johnson - Cahill - Terry - Cole Walcott - Barry - Gerrard - Lampard - Downing Carroll Does your stomach turn inside out like mine does?

16th May 2012, 18:45	#849 (permalink)
Walrus Oppressed White Male Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 4,566	Terrible, terrible squad. This was the chance to get rid of the old guard and start building a new team of exciting young players. Instead we have another tournament of Gerrard and Lampard, Terry and Barry. Very very disappointed.

16th May 2012, 19:01	#850 (permalink)
bsc First Team Sub Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Stretford End - 3103 Posts: 6,580	Roy basically had a free pass at this tournament to blood youth for the future; people's expectations were so low they'd have accepted a transitional tournament. Now he's reverted to the same tired old guard, nothing has really changed and he'll be given a hell of a lot less patience now.

16th May 2012, 20:19	#852 (permalink)
KM Coach Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 24,071	If everybody's fit, then I would love to see a midfield three of Wilshere-Carrick-Rooney(playing just behind the striker who's gonna be Welbeck). Never gonna happen though.

16th May 2012, 23:16	#853 (permalink)
Nick 0208 Ldn News 24 Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: "I'd also like to remind you that we've had bad times here. The club stood by me. All my staff stood by me. The players stood by me. So your job now is to stand by our new manager. That is important. " Posts: 15,414	I hope Roy tries out both Jones and Johnson at right back in the friendlies, and two variations of the front six also. No good finding out that we have a fatl flaw in the first half hour against the French [an avoidable one that is].

16th May 2012, 23:37	#854 (permalink)
TheReligion Abusive Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 11,996	Well how bizarre Downing has been selected after 36 league games with 0 goals and 0 assists. What an example to set to other players looking to get into the set up. Basically have a left foot and you are in, no matter how crap you are. I hope Danny Welbeck gets some game time as I think if England go for a Rooney-Welbeck front two we will at least see some entertaining football.

16th May 2012, 23:52	#857 (permalink)
TheHorse'sMouth First Team Sub Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 6,167	At least SWP wasn't given his token ticket onto the plane. Suppose Downing going is even worse..worse than fucking SWP, that's saying something quite tragic.

17th May 2012, 00:27	#859 (permalink)
Nick 0208 Ldn News 24 Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: "I'd also like to remind you that we've had bad times here. The club stood by me. All my staff stood by me. The players stood by me. So your job now is to stand by our new manager. That is important. " Posts: 15,414	Non-Roy England Manager: Harry Redknapp ----------Stockdale-------- -Richards-Rio-Jagielka-Gibbs- -----Carrick----Scholes------ -Lennon--J Cole--A Johnson- ------------Crouch---------- Bench: Amos Holt Cleverly Sturridge Sinclair King Bridge Of course this doesn't include injured players like Walker, Smalling and Rodwell.

17th May 2012, 01:35	#862 (permalink)
LLMU Reserve Team Player Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: currently unknown Posts: 2,076	A very weak forward line bearing in mind that Rooney is out for the first two games. Interesting to see how England would set up in the next two friendlies

17th May 2012, 03:15	#865 (permalink)
Ferguson Reserve Team Player Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Seoul, South Korea Posts: 2,975	Of course knowing England they will be careful not to exceed their limit by taking too many United players with them. It'll be Cleverly getting ignored in the future.

17th May 2012, 03:34	#867 (permalink)
NoLogo First Team Sub Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Sea wihtin a sea. Posts: 6,115	Hart Johnson -- Cahill -- Terry -- Cole Barry -- Carrick -- Parker Gerrard Rooney -- Welbeck That's the setup I would probably chose. I don't feel that your wingers are good enough to justify playing them. Your central midfielders on the other hand are quite good. So some Italian style 4-3-1-2 like Milan is playing it would be a good option for you imo. It would also allow Gerrard or Lampard to play in a position where I think they are most effective as attacking midfielders behind our proven striker partnership with Welbeck and Rooney.

17th May 2012, 03:38	#868 (permalink)
Tyy Dyyy The Neviller is a Dick Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: aka The Don Posts: 7,213	Worst England squad I've ever seen. How Lampard and Gerrard still get in that team is a big question, what is absolutley laughable is having Downing or Henderson anywhere near it. Ferdinand is a much better defender than Terry, so I don't understand that one either. Fuck it, I could be here all night, suffice to say, barring a miracle, England will be a laughing stock again with this squad. It's a pity, a manager with some balls, picking fresh young talent could have brought ye a long way. You'll probably end up going home at the group stages along with us Paddies.

17th May 2012, 03:45	#869 (permalink)
mariachi-19 First Team Regular Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: I may be the devil, but i'm not a monster Posts: 13,342	So rely on Pearce and Kenny's opinion on players to form a national team. Fuck me. Also while Cleverly may not have had a great season. He'd be a dam fucking site better than lampard chasing shadows against decent teams. Tom atleast has youth, speed and agility on his side. Not to mention his ability to link up well with Rooney and Welbeck.

17th May 2012, 04:03	#872 (permalink)
ravelston Reserve Team Player Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Boston - the one in the States Posts: 1,353	I forgot Sturridge - but he's become more and more self obsessed and less productive as the season has gone on so I can understand it.

17th May 2012, 05:49	#874 (permalink)
Zen First Team Sub Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 7,279	Some making out Carrick could still go if he's given the assurance he'd play Parkers starting role should he not recover from this injury he has.....that or Henderson coming from the standby. I don't get it, I thought this and the standby list was final, what's the point in announcing it if you can change it? Like I could understand if you got like more injuries than are on your standby list.

17th May 2012, 09:27	#880 (permalink)
DFreshKing Reserve Team Player Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Greater Manchester Posts: 2,155	Hart, Green, Ruddy Johnson, Richards, Jones, Cahill, Lescott, Ferdinand, Cole, Baines Lampard, Gerrard, Parker, Barry, Carrick Johnson, Chamberlain, Young, Walcott, Rooney, Welbeck, Sturridge, For Footballing reasons I would pick terry but I could not pick someone stripped of the captaincy twice and currently on a charge for racism. I thought the idea for this tournament was to bed in youth and take a long view of getting the team together for the Brazil world cup? That plan lasted all of five minutes.