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10th January 2012, 11:56
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Players that start off great but end up sh...
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Watching Chamakh trundle round last night got me thinking about Wenger's habit of signing players who start off superbly and gradually deteriorate into utter shiteness. Chamakh's one. Arshavin is another. Reyes was the same. Didn't Rosicky look great in his first few games? Obviously, there are loads of examples of players at loads of clubs (including Arsenal) whose career follows the exact opposite trajectory. So, is the great->shite trajectory unique to Arsenal? If so, does it reflect poorly on Wenger? Is he somehow ruining the careers of inherently very talented players by the way he uses/develops them? Discuss. |
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10th January 2012, 12:00
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Mind you, if we were to totting up teenagers who initially look like world-beaters only to end up a crushing disappointment the longest list, by far, would also be at Arsenal. |
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10th January 2012, 12:01
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Perhaps he's signing players with a poor mentality. Certainly the case with Chamakh, Arshavin never wanted to be there, Reyes didnt fancy the tackling in the premier league and Rosicky's body fell apart after he signed for Arsenal.
I certainly think theres a question mark over how effectively Wenger has developed players who come as already respected/good quality players. Not too many of them go on to become top class |
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10th January 2012, 12:01
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From what I remember, Reyes started off pretty poor and found his best form in his second season there. Chamakh was a very ordinary player in France and it was really only his last two seasons at Bordeaux that got him noticed.
Arshavin is a strange one, looked like he had taken to the Premiership like a duck to water, then just went bizarrely rubbish after that. I think that maybe Wenger has a habit of signing average players with the hope of making them superstars, when it pays off then you get a player like Vieira on your hands, when it doesn't - you get an Almunia. |
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10th January 2012, 12:03
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10th January 2012, 12:04
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10th January 2012, 12:06
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10th January 2012, 12:07
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Chamakh and Arshavin that come to mind straight away, both simply look completely shot of confidence right. Chamakh was never gonna be a world beater but what the hell happened to Arshavin, from looking unplayable at times to mediocre now. He lost his fitness and he looks a lot fitter now than before but his confidence is gone. I'm hoping he is one 30 yard screamer away from rediscovering his old self but I wouldn't hold my breath on that....
Reyes is another example though he had a lot of problems off the field and mentally wasn't able to cope. Rosicky is another I suppose but his problem is he can't keep himself fit for long periods. |
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10th January 2012, 12:08
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10th January 2012, 12:10
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10th January 2012, 12:17
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10th January 2012, 12:19
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10th January 2012, 12:22
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I think Asrhavin is in a different category than young players like Chamakh and Macheda.
Arshavin looked IMO world class for Russia, Zenit and at 1st for Arsenal 2 other players I can think of similar to his career path would be Mendieta and Thomas Brolin |
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10th January 2012, 12:23
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10th January 2012, 12:24
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10th January 2012, 12:26
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Players like Mutu and Rosicky don't really fit the bill
Mutu was a brilliant player but a fuck-up. Rosicky just got repeatedly injured. Those are familiar trajectories for top athletes. The likes of Arshavin, Reyes, Torres are not so obviously explicable. Seba at United, they say he didn't fit the system but the system was redesigned to accommodate him. If you don't fit into a midfield next to Roy Keane with Giggs and Becks on the wings and Scholes in front of you, what midfield can you fit in? Also he never hit the heights again after he left. Neil Webb? |
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10th January 2012, 12:28
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