Poll: Capello's England

Nick 0208 Ldn · 27th March 2008, 13:38

Right then, cards on the table here people.

As is all too common on the Caf, there ahs been a fair bit of at best, negative comment toward England and their hopes and where they are heading.

So , i am putting this question out.

Once all is said and done, where will Capello's England be, what will they have achieved?

Will they have:

a) Bettered Sven's Quarter Final appearance.

b) Matched it.

c) Fallen short of it.

I say that we are going to go beyond it, don't know by how much, but we shall se eh.

And i will dearly hope.

spinoza · 27th March 2008, 13:40

c)

Capello is probably going to be sacked after England fail to qualify for the 2010 World Cup.

CnutOfAllCnuts · 27th March 2008, 13:41

Instant Karma · 27th March 2008, 13:42

Raven_Blade · 27th March 2008, 13:42

b)

Lets try and be a bit more optimistic here. First of all lets qualify for a major tournament again and that will be an improvement in itself.

noodlehair · 27th March 2008, 13:42

c)

Is it really so hard to find a manager who will play Rooney and Gerrard in their positions, and give someone other than Stuart Downing and Peter Crouch a chance?

ecantona7 · 27th March 2008, 13:43

cockneyHammer · 27th March 2008, 13:44

d) pint of bothered please

Van Piorsing · 27th March 2008, 13:44

a)

Capello way better than Sven.

AdZzUtd · 27th March 2008, 13:44

FlawlessThaw · 27th March 2008, 13:46

cw1984 · 27th March 2008, 13:50

Impossible to predict given we dont know what players will have emerged by the time 2010 comes around but i will say B.

The last 8 is all we can hope for really, we're just no better than that.....

Dippersripper · 27th March 2008, 13:51

d) Not enough time to judge.

IhabX7 · 27th March 2008, 13:52

Rooney is England's best player, build a team around him, thats the only hope at the moment in my opinion.

Dippersripper · 27th March 2008, 13:53

Play Rooney as a second striker and build the team around him and Joe Cole. Fuck Gerrard and Lampard.

Partizan · 27th March 2008, 13:53

Lets be honest, you have to go back to 1990 for the last time we looked capable, and before that, probably 1970. we constantly underperform in major tornies, coupled with a lack of English talent there's not much Capello can do to change this.

cw1984 · 27th March 2008, 13:57

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Originally Posted by Dippersripper

Play Rooney as a second striker and build the team around him and Joe Cole. Fuck Gerrard and Lampard.

Rooney does not fit into the way Capello likes to play. If he persists with Rooney as the lone striker we'll never achieve anything.

He needs to find the players that suit his system the best, even if that means the likes of Rooney miss out. Or he needs to change his system.

cockneyHammer · 27th March 2008, 14:00

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Originally Posted by IhabX7

Rooney is England's best player, build a team around him, thats the only hope at the moment in my opinion.

What if Rooney gets injured?

What if Rooney start gets complacent and plays like shit?

It's a bad idea to build a team around him, Capello shouldn't build the team around anyone, all thats been said about playing players based on their reputation rather than form and here's people calling for Capello to do it.

He should pick his formation say a 4-4-2 and then solely play players who are in good form.

Nick 0208 Ldn · 27th March 2008, 14:01

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Originally Posted by Partizan

Lets be honest, you have to go back to 1990 for the last time we looked capable, and before that, probably 1970. we constantly underperform in major tornies, coupled with a lack of English talent there's not much Capello can do to change this.

In 02 against Brazil and again in 04 agaisnt Portugal, it was not talent that we were lacking, but good sense on the part of the coach. The right words, the right tactical decision at a crucial moment.

Capello will bring these thigns to the table, if the team can respond in turn, i think many neutrals and people who don't much care foe England and that is putting it mildy, will be surprised. The unknown to it all will be luck, for success right up to the sharp end of a tournament, you always need a little good forutune.

AdZzUtd · 27th March 2008, 14:03

Just force that boy Ronaldo into playing for England, sorted.

Crustanoid · 27th March 2008, 14:04

a

I think Capello can do better than Sven - he seems to be looking at the team rather than individuals. Trouble is most of the individuals are shite.

Crustanoid · 27th March 2008, 14:06

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Originally Posted by AdZzUtd

Just force that boy Ronaldo into playing for England, sorted.

I'm surprised he hasn't made any transfers yet, what with all the spare talent that doesn't even get into the Spain / Brazil / Italy first XIs for example

Is there an international transfer window?

Fearless · 27th March 2008, 14:10

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Originally Posted by Nick 0208 Ldn

In 02 against Brazil and again in 04 agaisnt Portugal, it was not talent that we were lacking, but good sense on the part of the coach. The right words, the right tactical decision at a crucial moment.

Capello will bring these thigns to the table, if the team can respond in turn, i think many neutrals and people who don't much care foe England and that is putting it mildy, will be surprised. The unknown to it all will be luck, for success right up to the sharp end of a tournament, you always need a little good forutune.

Disagree.

No creativity. No flexibility. No imagination.

And relying on luck is a desperate stuff.

Until the Academies over here come good and recruit talent over size coupled with more touches on the ball we will be utterly fucked.

As usual.

peterstorey · 27th March 2008, 14:12

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Originally Posted by Nick 0208 Ldn

In 02 against Brazil and again in 04 agaisnt Portugal, it was not talent that we were lacking, but good sense on the part of the coach. The right words, the right tactical decision at a crucial moment.

You can't still be clinging to the belief that England have wonderful players let down by inept management?

cockneyHammer · 27th March 2008, 14:14

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Originally Posted by Fearless

Until the Academies over here come good and recruit talent over size coupled with more touches on the ball we will be utterly fucked.

We've been playing our part for over 50 years

spinoza · 27th March 2008, 14:17

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nick 0208 Ldn

In 02 against Brazil and again in 04 agaisnt Portugal, it was not talent that we were lacking, but good sense on the part of the coach. The right words, the right tactical decision at a crucial moment.

Capello will bring these thigns to the table, if the team can respond in turn, i think many neutrals and people who don't much care foe England and that is putting it mildy, will be surprised. The unknown to it all will be luck, for success right up to the sharp end of a tournament, you always need a little good forutune.

You'll be sorely disappointed. England have brought the wrong personnel to major tournaments for ages. Beckham shouldn't have been there in 02, Rooney shouldn't have been there in 06. Capello's not going to be able to change this. In any case England's players are so afraid of penalty shootouts that they've lost once the whistle goes.

Nick 0208 Ldn · 27th March 2008, 14:17

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Originally Posted by peterstorey

You can't still be clinging to the belief that England have wonderful players let down by inept management?

Of course the players have to take some responsibility, but if you don't think it played a vital role in those two instances, you'll find yourself in a very tiny minority i think. And you'll be wrong too.

Fearless · 27th March 2008, 14:18

Quote:

Originally Posted by cockneyHammer

We've been playing our part for over 50 years

No we have not.

Man Utd academy is as fucked and as primitive all the others.

The average contact time (with the ball) an academy kid has here is nearly 3 times less than that abroad.

And don't even start about technique!

Partizan · 27th March 2008, 14:21

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fearless

No we have not.

Man Utd academy is as fucked and as primitive all the others.

The average contact time (with the ball) an academy kid has here is nearly 3 times less than that abroad.

And don't even start about technique!

COCKNEYHAMMER.......Get it?

ecantona7 · 27th March 2008, 14:22

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fearless

No we have not.

Man Utd academy is as fucked and as primitive all the others.

The average contact time (with the ball) an academy kid has here is nearly 3 times less than that abroad.

And don't even start about technique!

He's talking about the West Ham Academy. He ain't a United fan.

peterstorey · 27th March 2008, 14:22

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nick 0208 Ldn

Of course the players have to take some responsibility, but if you don't think it played a vital role in those two instances, you'll find yourself in a very tiny minority i think. And you'll be wrong too.

There's no hope for you mate - you'll be slagging off Capello's tactical naivete as England get the bum's rush from South Africa (assuming they do manage to qualify).

CnutOfAllCnuts · 27th March 2008, 14:25

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fearless

No we have not.

Man Utd academy is as fucked and as primitive all the others.

The average contact time (with the ball) an academy kid has here is nearly 3 times less than that abroad.

And don't even start about technique!

Have you been to look at United's and other clubs' academies?

27th March 2008, 13:38	#1 (permalink)
Nick 0208 Ldn First Team Sub Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Britanniae ~ It's good to ship. :) Posts: 5,089	Poll: Capello's England Right then, cards on the table here people. As is all too common on the Caf, there ahs been a fair bit of at best, negative comment toward England and their hopes and where they are heading. So , i am putting this question out. Once all is said and done, where will Capello's England be, what will they have achieved? Will they have: a) Bettered Sven's Quarter Final appearance. b) Matched it. c) Fallen short of it. I say that we are going to go beyond it, don't know by how much, but we shall se eh. And i will dearly hope.

27th March 2008, 13:40	#2 (permalink)
spinoza Paz's ion Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Please donate to the World Food Programme. They need $700m to provide the same food aid as last year. Posts: 21,212	c) Capello is probably going to be sacked after England fail to qualify for the 2010 World Cup.

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Raven_Blade Attention Whoring Common Crow Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Ingurland Posts: 12,155	b) Lets try and be a bit more optimistic here. First of all lets qualify for a major tournament again and that will be an improvement in itself.

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noodlehair Can't drive! Can't text! Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: It is a mistake to think you can solve any major problems just with potatoes. Posts: 29,136	c) Is it really so hard to find a manager who will play Rooney and Gerrard in their positions, and give someone other than Stuart Downing and Peter Crouch a chance?

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27th March 2008, 13:50	#12 (permalink)
cw1984 Reserve Team Player Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 1,101	Impossible to predict given we dont know what players will have emerged by the time 2010 comes around but i will say B. The last 8 is all we can hope for really, we're just no better than that.....

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Dippersripper Fancies Footballers - Gaylord Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Founder of "Bring back Marliman" society. Posts: 4,946	d) Not enough time to judge.

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IhabX7 Reserve Team Player Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 1,283	Rooney is England's best player, build a team around him, thats the only hope at the moment in my opinion.

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Dippersripper Fancies Footballers - Gaylord Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Founder of "Bring back Marliman" society. Posts: 4,946	Play Rooney as a second striker and build the team around him and Joe Cole. Fuck Gerrard and Lampard.

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Partizan Reserve Team Player Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: The frozen tundra, working in a bun shop. I have been in your homes, and they are DIRTY. Posts: 1,623	Lets be honest, you have to go back to 1990 for the last time we looked capable, and before that, probably 1970. we constantly underperform in major tornies, coupled with a lack of English talent there's not much Capello can do to change this.

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AdZzUtd Reserve Team Player Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: North Korea, working to cure GayZor-AID's (coming to a town near you soon!) Posts: 1,043	Just force that boy Ronaldo into playing for England, sorted.

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Crustanoid Reserve Team Player Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Lancs Posts: 974	a I think Capello can do better than Sven - he seems to be looking at the team rather than individuals. Trouble is most of the individuals are shite.