Poll: Capello's England

RUnited

A.

I think England will bore their way into the Semi's - provided that they can improve at penalties.

Eurotrash

Capello is an excellent coach that will make England perform at their full potential.

B.

devilish

I have mixed feelings about Capello. Ok he is a great manager who had been able to win with every team he went. Stating that he did so because he was always able to tighten the ranks, buy the right type of players and show the door to those who had crossed his path. Its evident that he cant do that with England, where English talent is limited and where discipline at football level is rarely imposed. Therefore he has to reinvent his system which will not be easy.

In my opinion the English fans must realise that because of the Bosman ruling the England team is not as strong as it should be. And the more money that is poured in it, the more is going to get tough. English clubs are bringing in more and more foreign talent, making the EPL more competitive and therefore more difficult for youth talent to break in. And lets face it who'll the hell would spend 15m on Bentley when you can get an 18 year old Cristiano Ronaldo on 12m?

peterstorey

Both England and ManU should stop fucking around and play Rooney in his proper position.

devilish

Its time to face and try to solve long term problems which include

a) a reliable first choice keeper
b) a long term partner for Rooney (and no he is not Micheal Owen)
c) the central midfield's dilemma

RUnited

the thread starter asked you to pick a b or c

you managed to choose all 3 and not answer the question.

CockneyHammer

Its time to face and try to solve long term problems which include

a) a reliable first choice keeper

Robert Green

b) a long term partner for Rooney (and no he is not Micheal Owen)

Dean Ashton

c) the central midfield's dilemma

Steven Gerrard or Frank Lampard partnered with Scott Parker

There you go West Ham will solve Enlgnads problems, we can even try to get Dyer back to his form before his most recent injury and provide Parker and Dyer for CM. Mark Noble coulkd even be worth a shout aswell. At the end of the day anything is better than the Gerrard / Lampard partnership and West Ham have 3 players who do have the quality to play there

cw1984

I agree with B. Thats it though.....

CockneyHammer

I didn't expcect Man Utd fans to agree to the other two the reason being;

Ben Foster who is the best English goalkeeper in the world and should be Englands Number 1

Carrick and Hargreaves who are the best English CM's and should be first choice for England

Also if you lot ever sign another English striker of course it would be him that has to partner Rooney

cw1984

Ben Foster should not be number 1. I think he will be one day, but not one day soon. Rob Green is a decent 'keeper, thats it.

The first choice CM pairing for England should be Carrick and Gerrard IMO. As for Parker - there are better in that position. Hargreaves and Barry to name just 2. And Noble?? Lets not get silly. Decent midfield player dont get me wrong, but thats it.

Ashton - That lad is quality and will only get better IMO. The sooner United sign him and he gets played up front with Wayne Rooney the better

spinoza

(a) Joe Hart

(b) Defoe

(c) Anyone except Dyer, who's a sicknote.

devilish

Robert Green is a decent keeper but there are other keepers that deserve a chance. One of them is Foster. Stating that this is not the argument. Its time to be courageous, choose the right players and stick to decisions rather then stick to the names. Its evident that England cant keep on relying on the Beckhams and the Owens anymore.

And let us stop mentioning sicknotes. England needs stability and solutions.

cw1984

Whats the point in having 2 wide men who's main quality is the ability to put in quality crosses if the strikers we have up front can't head the ball?

Ashton for me - England's new Teddy Sheringham.

spinoza

Which wide men? Lennon? Downing?

England should probably play with Cole and Lennon, who are reasonably penetrative on their own.

CockneyHammer

Ashton - That lad is quality and will only get better IMO. The sooner United sign him and he gets played up front with Wayne Rooney the better

He is a 'Pool fan, I read an interview when he was playing for Norwich saying that it's his dream to play for them one day

I can see him being more suited to their style aswell rather than yours but I just cant get it out of my head that he'll go to Newcastle and be their next Shearer.

The sooner West Ham tie him down on a long contract the better, hen has two years remaining and wanted a new contract but was refused as we wanted to see if he can regain his fitness and form now he has we can increase his wages from the 20k pw he is currently on

cw1984

Cole and Bentley.

cw1984

If Curbs keeps messing him about it wouldnt surprise me to see him move on.... To Unted hopefully

devilish

Honestly I think its too vague to answer. I mean take the world champions. They had a well balanced and experienced side, with the right mentality to succeed at this level and yet. What would they have achieved if Grosso havent got that controversial penalty against the Aussies? What would have happened if Zidane havent fallen in one of the oldest traps in European's football and got sent off for it? Luck has loads to do in football

Capello have came to England to change the mentality England's plays football. In England he will find loads of obstacles at Administration, staff (ie players) and club level. He will also discover that his superb way of doing things (ie kick the arses of those who arent suited for his system and bring in his own men) will not work this time because the pool of players is so small and he wont be able to replace Lescott with Cannavaro and Crouch with Ibrahimovic. Capello is a great manager but he is a total stranger in how the English football works. Its like taking Julius Caeser, put him in charge of the Gauls and tell him to invade Rome. Would he succeed? God knows

Honestly I would have loved to see England being lead by a foreign manager who had done well in England and knows the EPL players well. Managers like Wenger or Mourinho.

CockneyHammer

It's the board rather than Curbs, they are not happy how the wage bill has shot up because Curbs is giving out new contracts to the players like Michael Jackson gives sweets to kids

They did not want to be left with more players like Ljungberg and Dyer who pick up a decent wage compared to the rest of the squad yet either get injured constantly or don't make an effort in the first team.

If we give Ashton a start in every game to the end of the season and he carries on as he is I think he'll get his new contract and in fairness he should be one of the highest paid players at the club rather than being one of the clubs best players yet earning the least wages.

Do you think SAF will sign him? I can't see Ashton fitting into your team somehow

devilish

So what makes you think that he would fit in England's setup? Ashton is certainly an option which should be considered. Stating that, the traditional type of wingers are a dying breed and traditionally Capello isnt the sort of manager who encourages that type of game

p_ps_sock

better with a semi in 2010, simply don't have enough quality players to do better but capello will get the best out of them eventually

cw1984

By messing him about i meant in terms of dropping him for Carlton Cole.

As for fitting into United, i dont know. I don't see why not. He's such an intelligent player and i can only see the likes of Rooney and Ronaldo thriving of someone like Ashton. He knows how to find the back of the net too. Someone like him, IMO, can play in any system with any players. I really do rate him and but for that ankle break he'd already be a regular for England.

We won't sign him i dont think, i just wish we would....

CockneyHammer

Ashton is in a dying breed of striker himself, he can play up front on his own and as a target man, in a 4-4-2 or wherever you want to put him

One minute he can have the finesse and presence of Ronaldo on the ball and twist his way through the defence, the next he can have the presence of "the wardrobe" Pape Bouba Diop himself and power his way through the defence.



I don't think there are many English strikers that have the quality and intelligence on the ball as Ashton does and he should be considered.

Of course though give him to the end of the season to prove his worth just to make sure his recent run of form was not just a blip

Sylar

a. Cos hes the only manager whos smart enough to try out different things in friendlies, and friendlies against good teams at that (bar USA)

He knows how Rooney and Gerrard play in their position. He knows how certain players play, he just needs a back up plan, which he was trying against France. Id rather see us try something, and lose 1-0 to France knowing a certain system doesnt work then beating Luxembourg 6-0 with the same team we've had before, thus not havin a contingency plan should Rooney get injured (or sent off)

Fearless

It's like asking Andre Previn to conduct a room full of tone deaf amputees

RUnited

I think Capello is looking at this in a far more simple way.

Park the bus in front of the goal. Keep the clean sheet and worry about the win later.

I think England's got some fantastic defenders and his job is already half there.

You saw the game against France and you could see immediately that Capello wanted to keep the clean sheet. Aside from the penalty, they didn't look like losing another goal which is probably the positive Capello saw coming out of the game.

France and Italy have shown that defence can bring championships and Capello is probably going to try knocking on that door.

If they improved on their penalty taking skills I think they have a chance of taking many top teams to extra time, nicking those odd wins England seemed to have lost out on all these years.

You look at their penalty record and you would have thunk they were part time players in that respect.

devilish

I agree with you that England has some of the finest defenders in the world, probably the finest defense in Europe. Stating that, keeping clean sheets is more then having the best defenders and instructing them to keep tight at the back. The Italians may have shite defenders (like Materazzi for example) but would still look solid at the back because they are groomed since their birth to play that way. And thats just the peak of the iceberg. All players in their national side are syncronised to that game with every player doing his role perfectly. That is not because they are some kind of Gods (in fact there were times where thats fecked them a bit expecially during the Maldini/Trapattoni era) but only because they were groomed to play to that system from youth level. Now can imagine Rooney turning from the player he is to a lazy cunt who waits patiently upfront and convert one chance into a goal? Because that is exactly what the main striker (ie punta) does in the Italian system.

In my opinion Capello has two options. He can either change the English style of game completely which is a massive task that will take years or else he can do a Fergie/Wenger and tweak the continental system to highlight the English style of game. Both tasks require time and are difficult to achieve. Thats why I would have preferred an EPL based foreign manager rather then Capello.