Ravel Morrison | Sold to West Ham

Irwynwastheking · 25th October 2011, 22:11

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wowi

Don't think it's that premature to be honest. If it wasn't for his problems off the pitch I'm pretty sure he'd get a lot more time with the first team than he's gotten. He's turning 19 in a few months and with his incredible talent I'm pretty sure he'll be around our first team next season. If he stays out of trouble that is.

Not if the transfer muppets get there way. Cleverley, Pogba and Morrison need time to grow into the players they can become and big spending on midfielders isn't going to help them get that time.

Randall Flagg · 25th October 2011, 22:11

Very exciting, cheered me up a tad following Sunday too.

Will be interesting to see if he is used here and there for the rest of the season. If not I would like to see him go to a PL side on loan in january

Hal9000 · 25th October 2011, 22:12

@BigRed_M: Ravel Morrison tracks back more than Patrice Evra.

Probably true..

Crustanoid · 25th October 2011, 22:13

Great that we're giving youth a chance instead of pumping in 25mil+ on each signing

BaldwinLegend · 25th October 2011, 22:13

Quote:

Originally Posted by Randall Fagg

Very exciting, cheered me up a tad following Sunday too.

Will be interesting to see if he is used here and there for the rest of the season. If not I would like to see him go to a PL side on loan in january

Really doubt he'll go out on loan - I think Fergie wants to keep an eye on him.

Irwynwastheking · 25th October 2011, 22:15

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Originally Posted by BaldwinLegend

Really doubt he'll go out on loan - I think Fergie wants to keep an eye on him.

If he goes on loan maybe to some highlands Scottish club with no club in 50 miles.

Hal9000 · 25th October 2011, 22:15

The only way he'll go on loan is if it's near by. Very much doubt Fergie will make the mistake of sending Ravel down London way.

Sir A1ex · 25th October 2011, 22:16

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Originally Posted by Badunk

Was great to see him getting some time tonight. Morrison-Pogba-Cleverley

We've already seen our incredibly young defenders in action (back five with an average age of under 21 for a few matches)... now it's time to get excited about the front 6 as well:

--------De Gea----------
----Smalling--Evans------
Jones---------------Fabio
-------------------------
---Pogba----Cleverley---
-------Morrison----------
Nani-------------Welbeck
-----Hernandez---

Average age of XI: 20

Minkaro · 25th October 2011, 22:22

Do we have any idea where he's going to end up in terms of his position? He looks equally comfortable playing on the wing and in the middle to me.

Drainy · 25th October 2011, 22:23

Quote:

Originally Posted by Minkaro

Do we have any idea where he's going to end up in terms of his position? He looks equally comfortable playing on the wing and in the middle to me.

Probably attacking central midfield or second striker with a free role.

4everUtd · 25th October 2011, 22:24

"RavelMorrison49 Ravel Ryan Morrison

Thanks everyone for your messages really appriciate it thanks "

What a guy

UnofficialDevil · 25th October 2011, 22:27

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sir A1ex

We've already seen our incredibly young defenders in action (back five with an average age of under 21 for a few matches)... now it's time to get excited about the front 6 as well:

--------De Gea----------
----Smalling--Evans------
Jones---------------Fabio
-------------------------
---Pogba----Cleverley---
-------Morrison----------
Nani-------------Welbeck
-----Hernandez---

Average age of XI: 20

Please remove Evans from that. Put Jones in his position and Rafael on the right

ArmchairCritic · 25th October 2011, 22:28

No way should Ravel be in any match day squads until Galati perhaps. He needs to start getting regular minutes for the reserves and we just need to keep him down a peg or two for the moment.

datura · 25th October 2011, 22:33

Quote:

Originally Posted by Drainy

Probably attacking central midfield or second striker with a free role.

The free role to roam around is his best position.

He can play anywhere across the midfield or support/wide striker too, but naturally likes to drop back, pick the ball up and start off play and move from there.

pocco · 25th October 2011, 22:36

Quote:

Originally Posted by Irwinwastheking

Not if the transfer muppets get there way. Cleverley, Pogba and Morrison need time to grow into the players they can become and big spending on midfielders isn't going to help them get that time.

I was saying this all summer. If these two were playing for other teams then I think we'd be tracking them. With that in mind you'd think that since we already have them on our books then we will be patient and wait for them to break through. I'd bet that this was a very big part in our thinking when not blowing money on midfielders this summer. They're two top talents but for some reason this doesn't get acknowledged enough since they're already ours.

Chuffed with both their performances tonight and I think they'll be desperate for more. Anyone hat hasn't seen much of them previously should be very excited. There's already lot more to come from these two, even at this early stage.

Irwynwastheking · 25th October 2011, 22:43

Quote:

Originally Posted by pocco

I was saying this all summer. If these two were playing for other teams then I think we'd be tracking them. With that in mind you'd think that since we already have them on our books then we will be patient and wait for them to break through. I'd bet that this was a very big part in our thinking when not blowing money on midfielders this summer. They're two top talents but for some reason this doesn't get acknowledged enough since they're already ours.

Chuffed with both their performances tonight and I think they'll be desperate for more. Anyone hat hasn't seen much of them previously should be very excited. There's already lot more to come from these two, even at this early stage.

It's a gamble. Buy a top midfielder and you almost guarantee quality for a few years. You give youth a chance and you take a risk on them not making it, but you continue a legacy.

I know which I'd rather with the players we have on the books.

amolbhatia100 · 25th October 2011, 22:43

First time I've seen him property and he was excellent. You can see the talent oozing out of him. Can't wait to see him again.

Decotron · 25th October 2011, 22:52

Quote:

Originally Posted by UnofficialDevil

Please remove Evans from that. Put Jones in his position and Rafael on the right

Its an imaginary formation on the internet

Bill.s.preston · 25th October 2011, 23:21

I thought he looked bright and was always looking to receive the ball, regardless of his position on the pitch. The little flick he did to Berbatov in the Aldershot penalty area was fantastic. I hope he gets a lot more playing time this season.

Striker10 · 25th October 2011, 23:26

Some nice play from Morrison. That late run by him, you just felt something would happen but I think if you have the talent and the confidence, your doing ok and I don't think we're surprised that we let him play. That's the stupid thing with football because suddenly people are excited again after Sunday and rightly so...

Number7 · 25th October 2011, 23:27

Just wonder when we'll see him next.

pillory · 25th October 2011, 23:36

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wowi

That's the thing about him, isn't it? He doesn't seem to give a shit

That's the thing. I've seen him retweet nasty allegations about himself a couple of times, and there's a few things you could say about how clever/insane that is, but it's a fantastic attitude to have on the pitch, I think.

mattsville · 25th October 2011, 23:39

Delighted for him, he is a magnificent talent as everyone who follows the youths would know, he oozes confidence, he constantly wanted the ball and as much as you wanted to see him do his silky thing, I was more pleased to see him make a couple of pitch length dashes to cover the full back position, it was like he recognised he was in a more senior situation now and acted accordingly, very good to see that.

Ole's_toe_poke · 25th October 2011, 23:41

TBH you don't really need a trained eye to see his talent. Its apparent to anyone who watches football regularly. He's looked a cut above in the academy. He's been patchy in the reserves but I think some of it is down to the physical element.

I think in terms of technique he has everything to make it at United. If he keeps his head down he'll be a regular in the FT in 2 years. I think technique wise he is one of the best young players I've seen in the academy.

davisjw · 25th October 2011, 23:45

Quote:

Originally Posted by ArmchairCritic

I liked the arrogance he had too when he was playing, he was supposed to be on the left and he ended up drifting all over the shop doing what he wanted. He even asked Berba to take the free kick right on the edge of their box and hung around even though Berba told him to get lost.

Isn't that usually a hint of a positioning problem? And doing something like that against a better team would of put a lot of needless pressure on the defense.

There's good arrogance and bad arrogance. Running about with his head up his arse, demanding things from older, more respected players does well for us fans, but won't be tolerated by Fergie and the first team.

ArmchairCritic · 25th October 2011, 23:49

Quote:

Originally Posted by davisjw

Isn't that usually a hint of a positioning problem? And doing something like that against a better team would of put a lot of needless pressure on the defense.

There's good arrogance and bad arrogance. Running about with his head up his arse, demanding things from older, more respected players does well for us fans, but won't be tolerated by Fergie and the first team.

No I doubt he'd do the same if it was 0-0 and we weren't playing Aldershot, also let's not forget he may well have been instructed by SAF to roam. We need someone with a bit of cockiness about them, someone of the Cantona, Ronaldo ilk and I think Morrison could be a cut from the same cloth.

Interesting that he said Ronaldinho was his favourite player on twitter as this was very Ronaldinho-esque (it's not really interesting I just wanted an excuse to post this GIF

):

Aint gota Kalou · 26th October 2011, 00:01

Quote:

Originally Posted by davisjw

Isn't that usually a hint of a positioning problem? And doing something like that against a better team would of put a lot of needless pressure on the defense.

There's good arrogance and bad arrogance. Running about with his head up his arse, demanding things from older, more respected players does well for us fans, but won't be tolerated by Fergie and the first team.

We weren't against a good team where he was required to be disciplined though, we were? He was probably told to go on and get himself on the ball as he's at his best when he's roaming and picking up space.

I don't think you can use this game to suggest he lacks positional discipline, especially as he did track back a few times when we did lose the ball.

cj_sparky · 26th October 2011, 00:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by davisjw

Isn't that usually a hint of a positioning problem? And doing something like that against a better team would of put a lot of needless pressure on the defense.

There's good arrogance and bad arrogance. Running about with his head up his arse, demanding things from older, more respected players does well for us fans, but won't be tolerated by Fergie and the first team.

I found it quite refreshing to see a player actually popping up in various positions, rather than sticking to one side or the other. He was often becoming an extra outlet in the middle rather than being isolated outwide, plus alot of our wing play was going down the right so it meant he got more involved.

He also didn't let this get in the way of his defensive duties as he really worked back well and bust a gut on more than one occasion to get back.

Not in any way comparing him, but David Silva starts wide but rarely stays there and he get touches every where. Constantly moving and popping up every where to pick up the ball and start things. Again he has the defensive discipline to get back and make an extra body.

I doubt Fergie will be dissappointed.

datura · 26th October 2011, 00:13

Quote:

Originally Posted by davisjw

Isn't that usually a hint of a positioning problem? And doing something like that against a better team would of put a lot of needless pressure on the defense.

There's good arrogance and bad arrogance. Running about with his head up his arse, demanding things from older, more respected players does well for us fans, but won't be tolerated by Fergie and the first team.

Players like him you have to give the license to play by their instincts.

Not sure where the 'running about with his head up his arse' comes from. Odd comment

De Selby · 26th October 2011, 00:25

Datura's pretty much hit the nail on the head as regards Morrison. He drifted inside when he didn't have the ball, but got back into position and tracked back when he didn't. He certainly didn't play like 'he had his head up his arse'.

One of the best aspects of Morrison's game is that he has an uncanny ability to find space and drift into areas that will hurt the opposition...putting the shackles on him by telling him to stick rigidly to the left wing would be of no use to either him or us. He should be given a certain license to go where he pleases when we're attacking.

Sultan · 26th October 2011, 00:31

Those who watched the youth team last year will not be surprised by this showing. The lad oozes class and is very confident in his own ability. Fantastic cameo tonight.

mariachi-19 · 26th October 2011, 00:48

All I can say is wow. He made Park look like a chump in that central midfield role. The kid certainly has an ego, but if massage it the right way, he's going to be something special.

championo · 26th October 2011, 01:47

Head up arse? Really? Some folks watch the game drunk. They rather have their head up their arse.

tintedsepia · 26th October 2011, 02:29

He gave a good performance. To me he was meant to be on the left but his inelligence told him that there was a gap linking midfield to attack so he basically went to play there when we had the ball but tracked back on the left when we didn't. This is intelligence.

He didn't dwell too much on the ball - he released the ball much quicker than Berbatov on some occasions! He linked player between all of the attack which is what we needed and this speeded up our overall attacking play.

He always went looking for the ball and always seemed aware i) where the space was, and ii) where his teammates were.

This was a mature performance. No doubt about that. I hope we see him given the odd 10-20 minutes at the end of games this season as I think he's ready for that. SAF will take it slow with him so as to not over-expose him or over-expose the expectations of him. In my view it is the expectations of him that could mess with his head. I think he could cope with the football itself!

ricky-romeo · 26th October 2011, 03:37

a very good 20 minutes cameo from ravel.

the good thing about him is he actually looks hungry and want the ball as often as possible. his link up play is excellent and he got a very intelligent football brain.

obviously most of us know what kind of a player he is from the youth level, and he was playing against a lower league side so it is a bit too early to judge him playing at first team level but give him some more time to mature and he could be a star in the making,.

sglowrider · 26th October 2011, 04:24

Most impressive thing about Ravel today was his composure. We know he has silky skills etc but whether that can be translated onto the Big Show was the question.

Pogba looked nervy in his first match a few weeks back but Ravel didnt look out of place at all last night.

mariachi-19 · 26th October 2011, 05:09

Quote:

Originally Posted by sglowrider

Most impressive thing about Ravel today was his composure. We know he has silky skills etc but whether that can be translated onto the Big Show was the question.

Pogba looked nervy in his first match a few weeks back but Ravel didnt look out of place at all last night.

Alot more 'established' players looked out of place along side him, although that could be due to a lack of energy.

He reminds me of a young Ronaldo in his arrogance.

Brwned · 26th October 2011, 07:21

Quote:

Originally Posted by davisjw

Isn't that usually a hint of a positioning problem? And doing something like that against a better team would of put a lot of needless pressure on the defense.

There's good arrogance and bad arrogance. Running about with his head up his arse, demanding things from older, more respected players does well for us fans, but won't be tolerated by Fergie and the first team.

You've just jumped to a massive conclusion...our wide left players almost always cut in, drift into 'the hole' at various points throughout the game, and are given the freedom for playmaking duties. This happens whether it's Giggs, Park, Nani or Young - you'll find them drifting in these areas throughout the game. There's every chance he was told to go out there and just express himself as he usually does, the most important thing was letting him feel comfortable in the first team.

Varun_Utd · 26th October 2011, 07:29

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brwned

You've just jumped to a massive conclusion...our wide left players almost always cut in, drift into 'the hole' at various points throughout the game, and are given the freedom for playmaking duties. This happens whether it's Giggs, Park, Nani or Young - you'll find them drifting in these areas throughout the game. There's every chance he was told to go out there and just express himself as he usually does, the most important thing was letting him feel comfortable in the first team.

Exactly.

We've rarely played a traditional out and out left winger since giggsy. Our left wingers always tend to cut in and participate in the middle. With the scoreline being what it was, he must have been told to just go there and express himself rather than stick to the left at all times. In any case, he did quite a bit of tracking back which was very good to see.

The flick to berba was

. lets just hope he manages to get minutes in the league in games we have sewn up and becomes a regular feature in a couple of years. fantastic talent this lad.

Julian Denny · 26th October 2011, 07:34

We probably saw the future central midfield last night - Cleverley, Pogba and the very impressive Morrison. Obviouisly, Cleverley we know quite a bit about and he's a good three seasons ahead of the other two. Pogba wants the ball the whole time, setting up attacks from deeper positions and pushing forward when possible. Morrison appears totally confident in his ability to do just about everything required of an attacking midfielder. He has had serious off field problems and one hopes his natural "arrogance" is confined to what he does on the pitch in terms of enhancing his performance and nothing else. The club recognises this and will do everything it can to guide him through these formative years.

It's a pity that Pogba and Morrison aren't a few years older, with the experience that brings, so that they can take their places in the first team where they are needed right now. Fergie will no doubt have to buy - at least as an interim measure.

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25th October 2011, 22:11	#42 (permalink)
Randall Flagg shitline Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 24,962	Very exciting, cheered me up a tad following Sunday too. Will be interesting to see if he is used here and there for the rest of the season. If not I would like to see him go to a PL side on loan in january

25th October 2011, 22:12	#43 (permalink)
Hal9000 Reserve Team Player Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 3,198	@BigRed_M: Ravel Morrison tracks back more than Patrice Evra. Probably true..

25th October 2011, 22:13	#44 (permalink)
Crustanoid First Team Regular Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 15,369	Great that we're giving youth a chance instead of pumping in 25mil+ on each signing

25th October 2011, 22:15	#47 (permalink)
Hal9000 Reserve Team Player Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 3,198	The only way he'll go on loan is if it's near by. Very much doubt Fergie will make the mistake of sending Ravel down London way.

25th October 2011, 22:22	#49 (permalink)
Minkaro First Team Sub Join Date: May 2009 Location: Shrewsbury Posts: 7,009	Do we have any idea where he's going to end up in terms of his position? He looks equally comfortable playing on the wing and in the middle to me.

25th October 2011, 22:24	#51 (permalink)
4everUtd Reserve Team Player Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: "But every single game I play [is a highlight]. Every time I pull on a United shirt, I have to check myself. It's me, Quinton, playing for Man United!" Posts: 755	"RavelMorrison49 Ravel Ryan Morrison Thanks everyone for your messages really appriciate it thanks " What a guy

25th October 2011, 22:28	#53 (permalink)
ArmchairCritic No Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: I am not a liberator. Liberators do not exist. The people liberate themselves. Posts: 9,875	No way should Ravel be in any match day squads until Galati perhaps. He needs to start getting regular minutes for the reserves and we just need to keep him down a peg or two for the moment.

25th October 2011, 22:43	#57 (permalink)
amolbhatia100 Coach (But never a mod) Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: india Posts: 32,968	First time I've seen him property and he was excellent. You can see the talent oozing out of him. Can't wait to see him again.

25th October 2011, 23:21	#59 (permalink)
Bill.s.preston Fluffybunnykins Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Call Of Duty Dog Posts: 11,836	I thought he looked bright and was always looking to receive the ball, regardless of his position on the pitch. The little flick he did to Berbatov in the Aldershot penalty area was fantastic. I hope he gets a lot more playing time this season.

25th October 2011, 23:26	#60 (permalink)
Striker10 "Ronaldo and trophies > Manchester United football club" Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 14,093	Some nice play from Morrison. That late run by him, you just felt something would happen but I think if you have the talent and the confidence, your doing ok and I don't think we're surprised that we let him play. That's the stupid thing with football because suddenly people are excited again after Sunday and rightly so...

25th October 2011, 23:27	#61 (permalink)
Number7 Ret's Slave Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: I am very enjoy Posts: 28,048	Just wonder when we'll see him next.

25th October 2011, 23:39	#63 (permalink)
mattsville Youth Team Player Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Dublin Posts: 397	Delighted for him, he is a magnificent talent as everyone who follows the youths would know, he oozes confidence, he constantly wanted the ball and as much as you wanted to see him do his silky thing, I was more pleased to see him make a couple of pitch length dashes to cover the full back position, it was like he recognised he was in a more senior situation now and acted accordingly, very good to see that.

25th October 2011, 23:41	#64 (permalink)
Ole's_toe_poke First Team Regular Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 23,041	TBH you don't really need a trained eye to see his talent. Its apparent to anyone who watches football regularly. He's looked a cut above in the academy. He's been patchy in the reserves but I think some of it is down to the physical element. I think in terms of technique he has everything to make it at United. If he keeps his head down he'll be a regular in the FT in 2 years. I think technique wise he is one of the best young players I've seen in the academy.

26th October 2011, 00:25	#70 (permalink)
De Selby Likes them tattooed and bald Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Is that a real poncho, or is that a Sears poncho? Posts: 5,726	Datura's pretty much hit the nail on the head as regards Morrison. He drifted inside when he didn't have the ball, but got back into position and tracked back when he didn't. He certainly didn't play like 'he had his head up his arse'. One of the best aspects of Morrison's game is that he has an uncanny ability to find space and drift into areas that will hurt the opposition...putting the shackles on him by telling him to stick rigidly to the left wing would be of no use to either him or us. He should be given a certain license to go where he pleases when we're attacking.

26th October 2011, 00:31	#71 (permalink)
Sultan السلام عليكم و رحمة الله و بركاته Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: It is better for a leader to make a mistake in forgiving than to make a mistake in punishing Posts: 34,333	Those who watched the youth team last year will not be surprised by this showing. The lad oozes class and is very confident in his own ability. Fantastic cameo tonight.

26th October 2011, 00:48	#72 (permalink)
mariachi-19 First Team Regular Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: I may be the devil, but i'm not a monster Posts: 13,344	All I can say is wow. He made Park look like a chump in that central midfield role. The kid certainly has an ego, but if massage it the right way, he's going to be something special.

26th October 2011, 01:47	#73 (permalink)
championo Top Stalker Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: From Brazil but in School in the States Posts: 5,274	Head up arse? Really? Some folks watch the game drunk. They rather have their head up their arse.

26th October 2011, 02:29	#74 (permalink)
tintedsepia Reserve Team Player Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 1,328	He gave a good performance. To me he was meant to be on the left but his inelligence told him that there was a gap linking midfield to attack so he basically went to play there when we had the ball but tracked back on the left when we didn't. This is intelligence. He didn't dwell too much on the ball - he released the ball much quicker than Berbatov on some occasions! He linked player between all of the attack which is what we needed and this speeded up our overall attacking play. He always went looking for the ball and always seemed aware i) where the space was, and ii) where his teammates were. This was a mature performance. No doubt about that. I hope we see him given the odd 10-20 minutes at the end of games this season as I think he's ready for that. SAF will take it slow with him so as to not over-expose him or over-expose the expectations of him. In my view it is the expectations of him that could mess with his head. I think he could cope with the football itself!

26th October 2011, 03:37	#75 (permalink)
ricky-romeo First Team Sub Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: kota bharu Posts: 6,687	a very good 20 minutes cameo from ravel. the good thing about him is he actually looks hungry and want the ball as often as possible. his link up play is excellent and he got a very intelligent football brain. obviously most of us know what kind of a player he is from the youth level, and he was playing against a lower league side so it is a bit too early to judge him playing at first team level but give him some more time to mature and he could be a star in the making,.

26th October 2011, 04:24	#76 (permalink)
sglowrider Against Oral Equality Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Hell on Earth Posts: 4,961	Most impressive thing about Ravel today was his composure. We know he has silky skills etc but whether that can be translated onto the Big Show was the question. Pogba looked nervy in his first match a few weeks back but Ravel didnt look out of place at all last night.

26th October 2011, 07:34	#80 (permalink)
Julian Denny Reserve Team Player Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: South Africa Posts: 4,064	We probably saw the future central midfield last night - Cleverley, Pogba and the very impressive Morrison. Obviouisly, Cleverley we know quite a bit about and he's a good three seasons ahead of the other two. Pogba wants the ball the whole time, setting up attacks from deeper positions and pushing forward when possible. Morrison appears totally confident in his ability to do just about everything required of an attacking midfielder. He has had serious off field problems and one hopes his natural "arrogance" is confined to what he does on the pitch in terms of enhancing his performance and nothing else. The club recognises this and will do everything it can to guide him through these formative years. It's a pity that Pogba and Morrison aren't a few years older, with the experience that brings, so that they can take their places in the first team where they are needed right now. Fergie will no doubt have to buy - at least as an interim measure.