Ravel Morrison | Sold to West Ham

Sarni · 26th October 2011, 13:57

Erm, Owen isn't such a good example. He was excellent at a young age but then disappeared in his mid 20s because physically he couldn't handle it and got injured time and time again. Perhaps it wouldn't have happened had they been more careful with him at a young age when his body was still developing.

pocco · 26th October 2011, 14:12

For those that haven't seen much of him previously, these are two of his last games for the Academy last season. The first one (2 parts) is the second leg of the FA Youth Cup Semi Final against Chelsea, played at Old Trafford.

These next two are from the Youth Cup Final against Sheffield United. Once again, it's the second leg and is played at Old Trafford.

Drainy · 26th October 2011, 15:19

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Originally Posted by Red Hand Devil

Attacking the space eh Sol?

He's some difference to this lad thats for sure:

Foooking brutal

Your attacks against this child are one of the most pathetic things I've ever seen on this forum. You've been constantly mocking him in the thread thats specifically about him and now you're taking it over to other threads. Get a grip.

Talking Vulture · 26th October 2011, 15:23

Anyone that watched him in the youth cup at Anfield last season will know this kid is something special. He just needs to sort out his head and who he hangs around with really.

Could go either way with him - a real talent or a wasted talent

Pogue Mahone · 26th October 2011, 15:30

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Originally Posted by Drainy

Your attacks against this child are one of the most pathetic things I've ever seen on this forum. You've been constantly mocking him in the thread thats specifically about him and now you're taking it over to other threads. Get a grip.

prateik · 26th October 2011, 15:35

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how did i miss this

ArmchairCritic · 26th October 2011, 15:37

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I second Prateik, how did this pass me by?

De Selby · 26th October 2011, 15:38

It'd be nice if people would stop blathering on about Morrison 'needing to sort his head out' or that he 'needs to stay out of trouble'.

When was the last time you heard about him stepping out of line or doing something unprofessional? It's been a while. Every time his name's mentioned a bunch of people pop up with the usual stuff about his character and past behaviour.

He wouldn't have been in the squad yesterday if he wasn't doing well behind the scenes.

RedLars · 26th October 2011, 15:39

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Originally Posted by Red Hand Devil

Attacking the space eh Sol?

He's some difference to this lad thats for sure:

Foooking brutal

I don't get it? Is that supposed to be terrible?

Looks like a kid to me, often doubled up on by two defenders, who got into a bad flow and missed some passes but is otherwise clearly talented. If you've ever played football, you'll know what that feels like.

Looks talented to me though, which I'd say the fact that he's their youngest ever first team player is a testament to.

Anyways, very impressed by Ravel last night. Hope we'll see more of him soon, such an exciting prospect!

ArmchairCritic · 26th October 2011, 15:40

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Originally Posted by De Selby

It'd be nice if people would stop blathering on about Morrison 'needing to sort his head out' or that he 'needs to stay out of trouble'.

When was the last time you heard about him stepping out of line or doing something unprofessional? It's been a while. Every time his name's mentioned a bunch of people pop up with the usual stuff about his character and past behaviour.

He wouldn't have been in the squad yesterday if he wasn't doing well behind the scenes.

Yup but every time he seems to make progress something new pops out of the woodwork, I think most of us are just being cautious because it's clear he's a massive talent.

Pogue Mahone · 26th October 2011, 15:40

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Originally Posted by prateik

how did i miss this

Was immediately after the equaliser.

Good sense of humour, the Norwich fans. I guess that's important when Delia Smith's in charge of your football club.

Drainy · 26th October 2011, 15:41

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Originally Posted by Pogue Mahone

that is quality. Still, he shouldn't be so brutal on a kid that was 16

ArmchairCritic · 26th October 2011, 15:41

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Originally Posted by Pogue Mahone

Was immediately after the equaliser.

Good sense of humour, the Norwich fans. I guess you have to when Delia Smith's in charge.

Ah, I very rarely watch other football matches now with the odd exception of Barca matches.

Name Changed · 26th October 2011, 15:48

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Originally Posted by Pogue Mahone

Julian Denny · 26th October 2011, 16:57

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Originally Posted by De Selby

It'd be nice if people would stop blathering on about Morrison 'needing to sort his head out' or that he 'needs to stay out of trouble'.

When was the last time you heard about him stepping out of line or doing something unprofessional? It's been a while. Every time his name's mentioned a bunch of people pop up with the usual stuff about his character and past behaviour.

He wouldn't have been in the squad yesterday if he wasn't doing well behind the scenes.

If you regard three or four months as "a while" then that's true. Obviously we hope like hell he's on the straight and narrow now. It would be tragic if so prodigious a talent cannot fufill himself because of what he gets up to off the field. He strikes me as a bit arrogant but that's fine if it expresses itself in the right way. Fergie will do his best to make sure he's ok. Anyway I hope he does because this fellow could be a greater talent in the making than the likes of Jack Wishere who was about the same age when he became a first team regular, fist on loan at Bolton and then Arsenal.

Inigo Montoya · 26th October 2011, 17:55

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Originally Posted by ArmchairCritic

Yup but every time he seems to make progress something new pops out of the woodwork, I think most of us are just being cautious because it's clear he's a massive talent.

Like?

Two incidents; one well documented that occured some time ago and the stupid one involving his girlfriend.....hardly something new popping out the woodwork.Most of the stuff is now rumours he did this or that, he's been seen with this person etc.Doesn't seem he's likely to shake it off in a hurry

ArmchairCritic · 26th October 2011, 19:00

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Originally Posted by Inigo Montoya

Like?

Two incidents; one well documented that occured some time ago and the stupid one involving his girlfriend.....hardly something new popping out the woodwork.Most of the stuff is now rumours he did this or that, he's been seen with this person etc.Doesn't seem he's likely to shake it off in a hurry

The incidents with Morrison include the one where he was in a car with guys who had guns, the witness intimidation one which resurfaced after with complaints of Ravel harassing the victim and we also had this stupid phone thing with his girlfriend. Just look at the timeline he's had this year:

Manchester United ace Ravel Morrison escapes jail after threatening robbery victim | Manchester Evening News - menmedia.co.uk

United starlet Ravel Morrison is charged with assault | Manchester Evening News - menmedia.co.uk

Probe into why Manchester United starlet Ravel Morrison was spared prison over bust-up | Manchester Evening News - menmedia.co.uk

New brush with the law for Manchester United starlet Ravel Morrison | Manchester Evening News - menmedia.co.uk

He'll mature though, it takes time and he seems to have matured a bit judging by his tweets. There were times in the past year whenever the Ravel thread was bumped up that I was wondering what he'd done now and I was praying it was for something on the pitch.

Red Hand Devil · 26th October 2011, 19:12

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Originally Posted by RedLars

I don't get it? Is that supposed to be terrible?

Looks like a kid to me, often doubled up on by two defenders, who got into a bad flow and missed some passes but is otherwise clearly talented. If you've ever played football, you'll know what that feels like.

Looks talented to me though, which I'd say the fact that he's their youngest ever first team player is a testament to.

Anyways, very impressed by Ravel last night. Hope we'll see more of him soon, such an exciting prospect!

Let me introduce you to:

Manchester United Set to Sign ‘Next Cristiano Ronaldo’ For Just £3m!

The title of the article has a typo btw - it meant to read £3.00

gooDevil · 26th October 2011, 19:13

Link 1 & 4 are to the same thing, so are 2 & 3, no need to make it look like there are 4 things he did when you have two, the 'intimidation' and the girlfriend phone fight.

I don't know about driving with guys with guns, but the other claims would look pretty tame on this side of the pond. He was in a group of people and one of them attacked someone else. He later spoke to the victim and suggested they drop it.

The he yelled at his girlfriend and broke her phone.

This happens every day in every city in this big ole country. It wouldn't make the news even if it was Michael Jordan.

Being in a car with guys with guns would make the news, even if they were registered, though. We like stories about guns.

ArmchairCritic · 26th October 2011, 19:14

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Originally Posted by gooDevil

Link 1 & 4 are to the same thing, so are 2 & 3, no need to make it look like there are 4 things he did when you have two, the 'intimidation' and the girlfriend phone fight.

I don't know about driving with guys with guns, but the other claims would look pretty tame on this side of the pond. He was in a group of people and one of them attacked someone else. He later spoke to the victim and suggested they drop it.

The he yelled at his girlfriend and broke her phone.

This happens every day in every city in this big ole country. It wouldn't make the news even if it was Michael Jordan.

Being in a car with guys with guns would make the news, even if they were registered, though. We like stories about guns.

It's not the incidents themselves but the duration they last. The choice of 'something new' was probably wrong in my initial statement but things definitely seem to stick with Ravel, he'll be alright though, we just need to be patient.

Mick1991 · 26th October 2011, 19:14

Armchair those articles are referring to the same things (Nobody is sure what happened outside the College but if I was to take a guess I reckon he was trying to make up for what happened previously). Inigo is right, two main one's and a load of rubbish in between.

This thread should be kept to the football, he looked a bloody natural last night, you are always wary of what to expect when they make that step up......he was brilliant.

Red Hand Devil · 26th October 2011, 19:16

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Originally Posted by ArmchairCritic

The incidents with Morrison include the one where he was in a car with guys who had guns, the witness intimidation one which resurfaced after with complaints of Ravel harassing the victim and we also had this stupid phone thing with his girlfriend. Just look at the timeline he's had this year:

Manchester United ace Ravel Morrison escapes jail after threatening robbery victim | Manchester Evening News - menmedia.co.uk

United starlet Ravel Morrison is charged with assault | Manchester Evening News - menmedia.co.uk

Probe into why Manchester United starlet Ravel Morrison was spared prison over bust-up | Manchester Evening News - menmedia.co.uk

New brush with the law for Manchester United starlet Ravel Morrison | Manchester Evening News - menmedia.co.uk

He'll mature though, it takes time and he seems to have matured a bit judging by his tweets. There were times in the past year whenever the Ravel thread was bumped up that I was wondering what he'd done now and I was praying it was for something on the pitch.

Yep - he's been a busy lad alright!

He prob needs to change his hangers-on mates, because they're only goin get him into deep shit. We've all had mates like that, wasters that have a chip on their shoulder, best thing you can do is rid yourself of them asap!

ArmchairCritic · 26th October 2011, 19:16

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Originally Posted by Mick1991

Armchair those articles are referring to the same things (Nobody is sure what happened outside the College but if I was to take a guess I reckon he was trying to make up for what happened previously). Inigo is right, two main one's and a load of rubbish in between.

This thread should be kept to the football, he looked a bloody natural last night, you are always wary of what to expect when they make that step up......he was brilliant.

See my post above yours, the incidents aren't an issue for me as some of them seem stupid i.e. the girlfriend one but all this time spent in court and having uncertainty over cases isn't helping Ravel at all. He seems to be doing fine now and long may it continue.

Red Hand Devil · 26th October 2011, 19:19

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Originally Posted by gooDevil

Link 1 & 4 are to the same thing, so are 2 & 3, no need to make it look like there are 4 things he did when you have two, the 'intimidation' and the girlfriend phone fight.

I don't know about driving with guys with guns, but the other claims would look pretty tame on this side of the pond. He was in a group of people and one of them attacked someone else. He later spoke to the victim and suggested they drop it.

The he yelled at his girlfriend and broke her phone.

This happens every day in every city in this big ole country. It wouldn't make the news even if it was Michael Jordan.

Being in a car with guys with guns would make the news, even if they were registered, though. We like stories about guns.

Michael Jordan yelled at his girlfriend and broke her phone??????????

sammsky1 · 26th October 2011, 20:53

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Originally Posted by Julian Denny

We probably saw the future central midfield last night - Cleverley, Pogba and the very impressive Morrison. Obviouisly, Cleverley we know quite a bit about and he's a good three seasons ahead of the other two. Pogba wants the ball the whole time, setting up attacks from deeper positions and pushing forward when possible. Morrison appears totally confident in his ability to do just about everything required of an attacking midfielder. He has had serious off field problems and one hopes his natural "arrogance" is confined to what he does on the pitch in terms of enhancing his performance and nothing else. The club recognises this and will do everything it can to guide him through these formative years.

It's a pity that Pogba and Morrison aren't a few years older, with the experience that brings, so that they can take their places in the first team where they are needed right now. Fergie will no doubt have to buy - at least as an interim measure.

Tunnicliffe is also meant an amaizng prospect to complete it as a homegrown midfield 4 that could mature into a unit as amazing as Giggs Keane Scholes Beckham.

That IMO is worth waiting for rather than 'buying' instant solutions.

Name Changed · 26th October 2011, 20:56

Morrison looked really good last night when he came on. I still can't figure out what position he was supposed to be in.

amolbhatia100 · 26th October 2011, 21:06

Still can't believe how assured he looked. Pogba looked a talent but also looked like a young player looking to impress. Morisson, on the other hand, looked like someone who'd been playing in the first team for ages. And I'm not just talking about attitude but also in terms of his overall play.

KM · 26th October 2011, 21:09

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Originally Posted by amolbhatia100

Still can't believe how assured he looked. Pogba looked a talent but also looked like a young player looking to impress. Morisson, on the other hand, looked like someone who'd been playing in the first team for ages. And I'm not just talking about attitude but also in terms of his overall play.

Exactly. He was showing some amazing confidence for a guy making his debut, wanted to take that free kick as well.

amolbhatia100 · 26th October 2011, 21:16

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Originally Posted by KM

Exactly. He was showing some amazing confidence for a guy making his debut, wanted to take that free kick as well.

I'd heard about his confidence (or cockiness) but I was surprised to see such assured technical ability and decision making. I know we were coasting and the opposition were poor but he looked a first teamer in the aspects that usually take players time in the first team to get. Very exciting.

KM · 26th October 2011, 21:20

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Originally Posted by amolbhatia100

I'd heard about his confidence (or cockiness) but I was surprised to see such assured technical ability and decision making. I know we were coasting and the opposition were poor but he looked a first teamer in the aspects that usually take players time in the first team to get. Very exciting.

You should've watched him play for Reserves and Academy mate, even two three years ago, he looked like a class above from everyone.

Drainy · 26th October 2011, 21:21

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Originally Posted by amolbhatia100

I'd heard about his confidence (or cockiness) but I was surprised to see such assured technical ability and decision making. I know we were coasting and the opposition were poor but he looked a first teamer in the aspects that usually take players time in the first team to get. Very exciting.

He's a natural footballer. Everything just comes so easily for him.
Could start him against Everton and he wouldn't let you down technically.
Just need to let him mature at his own pace so when people really try to sink their claws in he's prepared. Also perhaps he's not fully physically ready for first team premier league action.

Red Dreams · 27th October 2011, 02:55

would like to see Morrison and Cleverley in midfield.

mariachi-19 · 27th October 2011, 03:17

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Originally Posted by ArmchairCritic

The incidents with Morrison include the one where he was in a car with guys who had guns, the witness intimidation one which resurfaced after with complaints of Ravel harassing the victim and we also had this stupid phone thing with his girlfriend. Just look at the timeline he's had this year:

Manchester United ace Ravel Morrison escapes jail after threatening robbery victim | Manchester Evening News - menmedia.co.uk

United starlet Ravel Morrison is charged with assault | Manchester Evening News - menmedia.co.uk

Probe into why Manchester United starlet Ravel Morrison was spared prison over bust-up | Manchester Evening News - menmedia.co.uk

New brush with the law for Manchester United starlet Ravel Morrison | Manchester Evening News - menmedia.co.uk

He'll mature though, it takes time and he seems to have matured a bit judging by his tweets. There were times in the past year whenever the Ravel thread was bumped up that I was wondering what he'd done now and I was praying it was for something on the pitch.

I hope that he's been given a right royal arse kicking. We can't stop him from being friends with certain people, but a sly little 'cut the shit or you're out' warning may not go astray. Yes he's talented, but responsibility comes along with talent.

I think that more first team play might make him take another look at his life and see if hanging out with dickheads is worth sacrificing would could be an absolutely brilliant career for.

Julian Denny · 27th October 2011, 05:59

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Originally Posted by sammsky1

Tunnicliffe is also meant an amaizng prospect to complete it as a homegrown midfield 4 that could mature into a unit as amazing as Giggs Keane Scholes Beckham.

That IMO is worth waiting for rather than 'buying' instant solutions.

Fergie will have to buy - he can't wait for Morrison and Pogba who could be two seasons away from regular first team action. Having said that Fergie will want to keep a close watch on Morrison because of his background and therefore a loan spell is unlikely unless its to a club managed by someone whom Fergie trusts completely.

I hope he gives Morrison more chances in the first team this season. However, what we need right now is a ball winning defensive midfielder to take over from Anderson. That has to be a priority I would have thought.

Neutral · 27th October 2011, 06:11

People go on about his arrogance and cockiness, but people who have watched the reserves know that, Ravel is a real team player. Yes, he has a few tricks, and doesn't mind showing them from time to time, and is sure of himself. But watch him when he plays, and he is constantly looking to pass the ball, involve his team-mates and moving into space to make him self available for the next pass.

Whether he will settle down, be able to make the jump to PL level, and more importantly find a defined role/position in this current United team, is another story....but while his off the field persona needs work(and it is improving) on the field he is the ideal player/teammate.

gooDevil · 27th October 2011, 06:12

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Originally Posted by Red Hand Devil

Michael Jordan yelled at his girlfriend and broke her phone??????????

If he did we'd never know. Hell, he had affairs when playing and the press loved him so much they didn't report it!

But then he gave them the interviews they wanted. I wonder if anyone would get a pass like that these days. But then Jordan is possibly the most charismatic sporting great in American history outside of Cassius Clay.

gooDevil · 27th October 2011, 06:19

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Originally Posted by ArmchairCritic

It's not the incidents themselves but the duration they last.

Sorry? You mean how the legal process was so long considering the relatively un-serious charges? I'm thinking that's not what you mean, I can't think of anything else.

The fact that the papers made it sound like he made someone 'an offer they couldn't refuse' and was 'lucky' to avoid jail time...surely your legal system isn't that harsh to anyone who sees a fight and then tries to defuse the situation! I didn't realize I've been guilty of witness intimidation! Sounds impressive.

But yeah, what a prospect, looks like a grown ass man out there, not a boy who just won the FA Youth Cup.

ArmchairCritic · 27th October 2011, 15:32

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Originally Posted by gooDevil

The fact that the papers made it sound like he made someone 'an offer they couldn't refuse' and was 'lucky' to avoid jail time...surely your legal system isn't that harsh to anyone who sees a fight and then tries to defuse the situation! I didn't realize I've been guilty of witness intimidation! Sounds impressive.

The witness intimidation case was pretty serious to be honest but to be fair to Morrison it was from an incident which I think was back in 2009. The papers like to spin but most of the details would have been gleaned from the court papers.

championo · 27th October 2011, 15:34

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Originally Posted by ArmchairCritic

The witness intimidation case was pretty serious to be honest but to be fair to Morrison it was from an incident which I think was back in 2009. The papers like to spin but most of the details would have been gleaned from the court papers.

off topic, I love your user ID.

Going to pester TOP to change my username to ArmchairCriticII

ArmchairCritic · 27th October 2011, 15:36

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off topic, I love your user ID.

Going to pester TOP to change my username to ArmchairCriticII

Ha thanks.

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26th October 2011, 13:57	#121 (permalink)
Sarni nice guy, unassuming, objective United fan. Thinks hes intelligent though. Nutter Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Krakow Posts: 25,691	Erm, Owen isn't such a good example. He was excellent at a young age but then disappeared in his mid 20s because physically he couldn't handle it and got injured time and time again. Perhaps it wouldn't have happened had they been more careful with him at a young age when his body was still developing.

26th October 2011, 14:12	#122 (permalink)
pocco loco Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Keep a clean shit tomorrow, United is my final bus stop Posts: 5,419	For those that haven't seen much of him previously, these are two of his last games for the Academy last season. The first one (2 parts) is the second leg of the FA Youth Cup Semi Final against Chelsea, played at Old Trafford. These next two are from the Youth Cup Final against Sheffield United. Once again, it's the second leg and is played at Old Trafford.

26th October 2011, 15:23	#124 (permalink)
Talking Vulture He's shit, move on. Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: In with the Leeds scum Posts: 3,749	Anyone that watched him in the youth cup at Anfield last season will know this kid is something special. He just needs to sort out his head and who he hangs around with really. Could go either way with him - a real talent or a wasted talent

26th October 2011, 15:38	#128 (permalink)
De Selby Likes them tattooed and bald Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Is that a real poncho, or is that a Sears poncho? Posts: 5,707	It'd be nice if people would stop blathering on about Morrison 'needing to sort his head out' or that he 'needs to stay out of trouble'. When was the last time you heard about him stepping out of line or doing something unprofessional? It's been a while. Every time his name's mentioned a bunch of people pop up with the usual stuff about his character and past behaviour. He wouldn't have been in the squad yesterday if he wasn't doing well behind the scenes.

26th October 2011, 19:13	#139 (permalink)
gooDevil Worst scout ever Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: The Kids are the Future Posts: 16,945	Link 1 & 4 are to the same thing, so are 2 & 3, no need to make it look like there are 4 things he did when you have two, the 'intimidation' and the girlfriend phone fight. I don't know about driving with guys with guns, but the other claims would look pretty tame on this side of the pond. He was in a group of people and one of them attacked someone else. He later spoke to the victim and suggested they drop it. The he yelled at his girlfriend and broke her phone. This happens every day in every city in this big ole country. It wouldn't make the news even if it was Michael Jordan. Being in a car with guys with guns would make the news, even if they were registered, though. We like stories about guns.

26th October 2011, 19:14	#141 (permalink)
Mick1991 First Team Sub Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Ireland Posts: 6,208	Armchair those articles are referring to the same things (Nobody is sure what happened outside the College but if I was to take a guess I reckon he was trying to make up for what happened previously). Inigo is right, two main one's and a load of rubbish in between. This thread should be kept to the football, he looked a bloody natural last night, you are always wary of what to expect when they make that step up......he was brilliant.

26th October 2011, 20:56	#146 (permalink)
Name Changed weso26 Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Dublin Posts: 22,080	Morrison looked really good last night when he came on. I still can't figure out what position he was supposed to be in.

26th October 2011, 21:06	#147 (permalink)
amolbhatia100 Coach (But never a mod) Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: india Posts: 32,923	Still can't believe how assured he looked. Pogba looked a talent but also looked like a young player looking to impress. Morisson, on the other hand, looked like someone who'd been playing in the first team for ages. And I'm not just talking about attitude but also in terms of his overall play.

27th October 2011, 02:55	#152 (permalink)
Red Dreams First Team Regular Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: 20 I 13 Posts: 28,194	would like to see Morrison and Cleverley in midfield.

27th October 2011, 06:11	#155 (permalink)
Neutral BTV Join Date: May 2010 Location: DC/Canberra/Dhaka Posts: 7,312	People go on about his arrogance and cockiness, but people who have watched the reserves know that, Ravel is a real team player. Yes, he has a few tricks, and doesn't mind showing them from time to time, and is sure of himself. But watch him when he plays, and he is constantly looking to pass the ball, involve his team-mates and moving into space to make him self available for the next pass. Whether he will settle down, be able to make the jump to PL level, and more importantly find a defined role/position in this current United team, is another story....but while his off the field persona needs work(and it is improving) on the field he is the ideal player/teammate.