RAWK Goes Into Meltdown (2009/10)

Crustanoid · 3rd November 2009, 10:03

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Originally Posted by thoward

Sums it up nicely, without making it too complicated

VP · 3rd November 2009, 10:07

'One man dared to make a difference'

cesc's_mullet · 3rd November 2009, 10:08

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Originally Posted by Sunny Jim

that made me chuckle

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Originally Posted by Psmith

'One man dared to make a difference'

Hilarious stuff really. They've made it sound like Ferguson's some sort of evil overlord that's enslaved the world, or some morally bankrupt politician who's been keeping poor old joe-bloggs off the street in poverty.

It belongs in some sort of Movie 'epic.'

Coming this summer....

R_Kelly · 3rd November 2009, 10:14

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How is it that O'Neill can almost break into the top 4 within 2 seasons?

a) he hasn't
b) MONEY. Lots of it. More than Rafa over the same period.

They STILL buy this lack of money crap?!?!

3rd November 2009, 10:25

Apparently, Torres needs a Hernia operation. He could be out for two months.

Sunny Jim · 3rd November 2009, 10:54

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Originally Posted by Merman

Apparently, Torres needs a Hernia operation. He could be out for two months.

yeah, just read that too. aparently him and Stevie Me provided 52 % of all goals dippers have scored so far

GloryHunter07 · 3rd November 2009, 11:04

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Originally Posted by Merman

Apparently, Torres needs a Hernia operation. He could be out for two months.

That has screwed up my fantasy team.

Partizan · 3rd November 2009, 13:18

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Originally Posted by Psmith

'One man dared to make a difference'

Facht, i'm having that as my new location.

cesc's_mullet · 3rd November 2009, 14:55

Who are all these injured players they keep harping on about, and how serious are their injuries?

I know Agger, Skrtl, Gerrard, Johnson, Rieira and Aurelio (were the last two on the bench?) were out of their side on the weekend, what are their individual situations?

Sam.G · 3rd November 2009, 14:59

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Originally Posted by cesc's_mullet

Who are all these injured players they keep harping on about, and how serious are their injuries?

I know Agger, Skrtl, Gerrard, Johnson, Rieira and Aurelio (were the last two on the bench?) were out of their side on the weekend, what are their individual situations?

Cavalieri, Agger, Skrtle, Gerrard, Riera, N'Gog, Aurelio, Johnson, Kelly and Aquilani were all missing from the weekend.

All varying prognoses.

Kraftwerker · 3rd November 2009, 15:04

Most of their injuries aren't first-teamers.

It's much ado about nothing. I doubt if they're missing many more key players than the other top clubs.

cesc's_mullet · 3rd November 2009, 15:04

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Originally Posted by Sam.G

Cavalieri, Agger, Skrtle, Gerrard, Riera, N'Gog, Aurelio, Johnson, Kelly and Aquilani were all missing from the weekend.

All varying prognoses.

Are any serious? Or are they just those annoying niggles and the like that take a few weeks to get comfortably over.

Sam.G · 3rd November 2009, 15:07

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Originally Posted by cesc's_mullet

Are any serious? Or are they just those annoying niggles and the like that take a few weeks to get comfortably over.

No, I don't think any are particularly serious though there is talk of both Torres and Gerrard needing ops.

I think all of them are, as you say, annoying niggles.

cesc's_mullet · 3rd November 2009, 15:08

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Originally Posted by Kraftwerker

Most of their injuries aren't first-teamers.

It's much ado about nothing. I doubt if they're missing many more key players than the other top clubs.

I was thinking that at first, though obviously the two CB's, Gerrard and Johnson (especially with Kelly out), and Aurelio are/were big blows. You can't quantify Aquilani's 'absence' yet for obvious reasons.

Their options were severely limited, so I think they're fair enough to be pissed off at the injury situation.

Hell, I'm annoyed that Walcott, Nasri (though he's coming back), Rosicky, Denilson, Vela and Djourou have been out.

Sam.G · 3rd November 2009, 15:11

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Originally Posted by cesc's_mullet

Their options were severely limited, so I think they're fair enough to be pissed off at the injury situation.

Not too many Liverpool fans I have come across are moaning about it. It happens. It's a shite of a situation but it happens to all teams at some point.

Partizan · 3rd November 2009, 15:11

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Originally Posted by cesc's_mullet

You can't quantify Aquilani's 'absence' yet for obvious reasons.

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He's got the constitution of a plague victim, if wind speed is above 10 knots he can't get up the tunnel.

cesc's_mullet · 3rd November 2009, 16:02

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Originally Posted by cesc's_mullet

I was thinking that at first, though obviously the two CB's, Gerrard and Johnson (especially with Kelly out), and Aurelio are/were big blows. You can't quantify Aquilani's 'absence' yet for obvious reasons.

Their options were severely limited, so I think they're fair enough to be pissed off at the injury situation.

Hell, I'm annoyed that Walcott, Nasri (though he's coming back), Rosicky, Denilson, Vela and Djourou have been out.

Heh.

I can add Clichy onto that list now too. Fuck.

Twigginater · 3rd November 2009, 16:07

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Originally Posted by Sam.G

Cavalieri, Agger, Skrtle, Gerrard, Riera, N'Gog, Aurelio, Johnson, Kelly and Aquilani were all missing from the weekend.

All varying prognoses.

Same with United. Giggs, Welbeck, Vidic, Ferdinand, Neville, Park were all missing this weekend, with Fletcher just returning from injury on the bench. Was very frustrating.

Sam.G · 3rd November 2009, 16:08

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Originally Posted by Twigginater

Same with United. Giggs, Welbeck, Vidic, Ferdinand, Neville, Park were all missing this weekend, with Fletcher just returning from injury on the bench. Was very frustrating.

Your point?

R_Kelly · 3rd November 2009, 16:10

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Originally Posted by Sam.G

Your point?

That Liverpool aren't the only team in the league who have injuries to their players, in spite of what some fans may lead people to believe.

Kraftwerker · 3rd November 2009, 16:10

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Originally Posted by Sam.G

Your point?

I guess he means that there's been alot of moaning and excuse making because of the injuries (not from yourself), when in fact it's no different from what alot of top clubs have to live with at any one time.

cesc's_mullet · 3rd November 2009, 16:13

In Sam's defense he said he hadn't been moaning about it, and neither had too many other Liverpool supporters he's talked too.

Sam.G · 3rd November 2009, 16:13

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Originally Posted by Kraftwerker

I guess he means that there's been alot of moaning and excuse making because of the injuries .

But there hasn't really.

Most fans are just of the opinion that these things happen now and again. Your injury list has a few on it and there seems to be a team of permacrocks down at Emirates.

Injuries aren't the reason we have lost 6 from 7. A contributing factor maybe but by no means the sole, or major, reason.

Twigginater · 3rd November 2009, 16:14

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Originally Posted by Sam.G

Your point?

It's frustrating to have injuries was my point.

20solskjaer · 3rd November 2009, 16:16

their injury situation is bollocks, they are missing gerrard, johnson and skittles from their first team

surely the fact we are missing vidic, ferdinand, giggs, rooney and berbatov tonight doesnt come into it, we just get on with it, the liverpool fans are just looking for another excuse to make so they dont have to wake up to the realisation that rafa is a big pile of shit, there situation this year is nothing to do with injurys, its all about rafa buying the wrong players, not buying suitable cover for their 'big' players and not knowing what hes doing, its great to sit and watch

one of the dippers i work with even tried to tell me today that they aint worried, rafa is the right man for the job and that they have more points than this time last year so its not all bad, when i pointed out that they had already lost 5 games in the league i was quickly told "yeah but last year we drew 11 so losing a few isnt really going to lose us many points"

deluded the lot of them

FlawlessThaw · 3rd November 2009, 16:18

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Originally Posted by cesc's_mullet

In Sam's defense he said he hadn't been moaning about it, and neither had too many other Liverpool supporters he's talked too.

Alyson Rudd from the The Game Podcast wouldn't stop banging on about Liverpool's injury problems. Let's be honest Torres and Gerrard are the only real misses, the rest are average or in Aquilani's case, still have it all to prove.

cesc's_mullet · 3rd November 2009, 16:22

Got no idea who Alyson Rudd is mate, and never heard/listened to the Game Podcast either...

Having their first choice LB, RB (and back-up RB), CB (and rotating CB), Captain (and best player) and only good Striker, (who just so happens to be an incredible player) out is a fairly hefty blow.

The other players aren't much chop yes, but at least they're more options to choose from, options that don't force the likes of Ecclestone and Ayala onto the pitch.

charleysurf · 3rd November 2009, 16:22

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Originally Posted by FlawlessThaw

Alyson Rudd from the The Game Podcast wouldn't stop banging on about Liverpool's injury problems. Let's be honest Torres and Gerrard are the only real misses, the rest are average or in Aquilani's case, still have it all to prove.

She's a dizzy badly informed nutter though. Gives the reasonable majority of Liverpool fans a bad name.

Kraftwerker · 3rd November 2009, 16:26

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Originally Posted by Sam.G

But there hasn't really.

Most fans are just of the opinion that these things happen now and again. Your injury list has a few on it and there seems to be a team of permacrocks down at Emirates.

Injuries aren't the reason we have lost 6 from 7. A contributing factor maybe but by no means the sole, or major, reason.

As I said, I'm sure you haven't been moaning, as you seem to know the score with injuries.

But apart from you and any Liverpool fans close to you, you can't really speak for everyone.

Sam.G · 3rd November 2009, 16:30

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Originally Posted by Kraftwerker

But apart from you and any Liverpool fans close to you, you can't really speak for everyone.

Irony.

20solskjaer · 3rd November 2009, 16:30

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Originally Posted by cesc's_mullet

Having their first choice LB, RB (and back-up RB), CB (and rotating CB), Captain (and best player) and only good Striker, (who just so happens to be an incredible player) out is a fairly hefty blow.

yeah but rafas the one to blame for not having enough cover, in the last 6 months they have got rid of 3 players who could have come in and done a more than adequate job in them positions, rafa chose to get rid of keane, arbeloa and alonso

in the positions you listed there united have
brown
neville
rafael
o'shea
fabio
evens
de laet
fletcher
hargreaves
anderson
scholes
giggs
carrick
owen
welbeck
macheda

all better than the shit they can bring in to bolster their squad, the problem is they havnt got a good enough squad, you cant rely on your first eleven being fit and available week in week out, only rafas to blame for the situation they are in

Kraftwerker · 3rd November 2009, 16:38

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Originally Posted by Sam.G

Irony.

Well I've heard a shit-load of Liverpool fans moaning about injuries.

You say this hasn't really happened.

How the hell would you know exactly?

Laphroaig · 3rd November 2009, 16:41

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Originally Posted by FlawlessThaw

Alyson Rudd from the The Game Podcast wouldn't stop banging on about Liverpool's injury problems. Let's be honest Torres and Gerrard are the only real misses, the rest are average or in Aquilani's case, still have it all to prove.

Guardian's Barney Ronay seems to think that Liverpool's lack of form should be blamed on their owners and injuries.

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Rafa Benítez can seem like a slightly difficult character. He doesn't "play the game": palling about with other managers or pandering to journalists in the style of, say, Harry Redknapp. The significance of this is that, outside his own club, Benítez has very little goodwill salted away for when things start to go badly. There are plenty of people who would like to see Benítez sacked, and not always as a result of a dispassionate analysis of his achievements. Liverpool have lost as many games as the second-bottom club so far this season. They've also conceded as many goals as Portsmouth. But the mini-furore over Benítez, quite rightly, taking off the injured Fernando Torres on Saturday is either misguided or mischievous. And talk of a crisis – the Sun today suggests Benitez will be sacked if Liverpool fail to beat Lyon on Wednesday – is hasty this early in the season and so soon after Liverpool finished second in the league. Benítez will not be sacked, not yet anyway. And with a little more residual sympathy, and a few more friends in low places, we might even be talking about something else right now, like injuries to key players, or destabilising owners, or a team that's simply having a poor run of form.

Sam.G · 3rd November 2009, 16:43

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Originally Posted by Kraftwerker

Well I've heard a shit-load of Liverpool fans moaning about injuries.

You say this hasn't really happened.

How the hell would you know exactly?

I just found the statement in your previous post ironic in this particular thread.

I think we both agree on the injury point though. Whether our views are representative or not, who knows.

Sam.G · 3rd November 2009, 16:45

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Originally Posted by Laphroaig

Rafa Benítez can seem like a slightly difficult character. He doesn't "play the game": palling about with other managers or pandering to journalists in the style of, say, Harry Redknapp. The significance of this is that, outside his own club, Benítez has very little goodwill salted away for when things start to go badly. There are plenty of people who would like to see Benítez sacked, and not always as a result of a dispassionate analysis of his achievements. Liverpool have lost as many games as the second-bottom club so far this season. They've also conceded as many goals as Portsmouth. But the mini-furore over Benítez, quite rightly, taking off the injured Fernando Torres on Saturday is either misguided or mischievous. And talk of a crisis – the Sun today suggests Benitez will be sacked if Liverpool fail to beat Lyon on Wednesday – is hasty this early in the season and so soon after Liverpool finished second in the league. Benítez will not be sacked, not yet anyway. And with a little more residual sympathy, and a few more friends in low places, we might even be talking about something else right now, like injuries to key players, or destabilising owners, or a team that's simply having a poor run of form.

This is about how I see it..

FlawlessThaw · 3rd November 2009, 16:47

The injuries argument should be thrown out when you consider the vast amount of players brought and money spent under Benitez. But if two key players are injured then it all goes floundering.

Liverpool aren't the only club with destabilising owners. They just have a manager who is in some sort of constant feud with them.

Should add that 6 defeats in 7 is more than just "poor form". I would call it "relegation form".

Sam.G · 3rd November 2009, 16:50

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Originally Posted by FlawlessThaw

The injuries argument should be thrown out

eh?

Of course it shouldn't. Your argument lacks reason. Injuries are definitely a contributing factor to Liverpool's terrible run of form

FlawlessThaw · 3rd November 2009, 16:53

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Originally Posted by Sam.G

eh?

Of course it shouldn't. Your argument lacks reason. Injuries are definitely a contributing factor to Liverpool's terrible run of form

But is it the sole reason? I admit I have only watched 3 matches of the terrible run that Liverpool are in and in none of the matches I saw did they play what would come close as a depleted side. It is a contributing factor, seeing as everything is dependent on Gerrard and Torres remaining fit. However it sort of hides the stink of a larger underlying problem which was evident last season, that being Liverpool's lack of depth which is the larger contributing factor.

United, Chelsea and Arsenal's squads would cope better with the injuries than Liverpool.

Xander45 · 3rd November 2009, 16:59

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Originally Posted by cesc's_mullet

Having their first choice LB, RB (and back-up RB), CB (and rotating CB), Captain (and best player) and only good Striker, (who just so happens to be an incredible player) out is a fairly hefty blow.

If that happened to us we could still field in the repective positions.

LB - Fabio (Evra)
RB - Rafael (O'Shea/Neville)
CB - Brown/Ferdinand (Vidic/Evans)
Our captain has been out for years anyway but assuming Giggs then Nani.
CF - Owen (Rooney)

Yeah it would be a blow, but i could still see a team with those players in beating at least half the teams in this league.

niMic · 3rd November 2009, 17:00

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Originally Posted by Xander45

If that happened to us we could still field in the repective positions.

LB - Fabio (Evra)
RB - Rafael (O'Shea/Neville)
CB - Brown/Ferdinand (Vidic/Evans)
Our captain has been out for years anyway but assuming Giggs then Nani.
CF - Owen (Rooney)

Hell, if they were injured we could field a fairly good team!

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3rd November 2009, 10:07	#2002 (permalink)
VP First Team Sub Join Date: May 2006 Location: London Posts: 9,335	'One man dared to make a difference'

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Merman Guest Posts: n/a	Apparently, Torres needs a Hernia operation. He could be out for two months.

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cesc's_mullet Get a haircut Hippy! Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: ONE SONG! we've only got one song... we've only got one song Posts: 18,475	Who are all these injured players they keep harping on about, and how serious are their injuries? I know Agger, Skrtl, Gerrard, Johnson, Rieira and Aurelio (were the last two on the bench?) were out of their side on the weekend, what are their individual situations?

3rd November 2009, 15:04	#2011 (permalink)
Kraftwerker Formerly RedAddict Join Date: May 2008 Location: We can't stop here. This is bat country. Posts: 9,120	Most of their injuries aren't first-teamers. It's much ado about nothing. I doubt if they're missing many more key players than the other top clubs.

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cesc's_mullet Get a haircut Hippy! Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: ONE SONG! we've only got one song... we've only got one song Posts: 18,475	In Sam's defense he said he hadn't been moaning about it, and neither had too many other Liverpool supporters he's talked too.

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20solskjaer Reserve Team Player Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 2,077	their injury situation is bollocks, they are missing gerrard, johnson and skittles from their first team surely the fact we are missing vidic, ferdinand, giggs, rooney and berbatov tonight doesnt come into it, we just get on with it, the liverpool fans are just looking for another excuse to make so they dont have to wake up to the realisation that rafa is a big pile of shit, there situation this year is nothing to do with injurys, its all about rafa buying the wrong players, not buying suitable cover for their 'big' players and not knowing what hes doing, its great to sit and watch one of the dippers i work with even tried to tell me today that they aint worried, rafa is the right man for the job and that they have more points than this time last year so its not all bad, when i pointed out that they had already lost 5 games in the league i was quickly told "yeah but last year we drew 11 so losing a few isnt really going to lose us many points" deluded the lot of them

3rd November 2009, 16:22	#2027 (permalink)
cesc's_mullet Get a haircut Hippy! Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: ONE SONG! we've only got one song... we've only got one song Posts: 18,475	Got no idea who Alyson Rudd is mate, and never heard/listened to the Game Podcast either... Having their first choice LB, RB (and back-up RB), CB (and rotating CB), Captain (and best player) and only good Striker, (who just so happens to be an incredible player) out is a fairly hefty blow. The other players aren't much chop yes, but at least they're more options to choose from, options that don't force the likes of Ecclestone and Ayala onto the pitch.

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FlawlessThaw most 'know it all' poster Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: London Posts: 19,271	The injuries argument should be thrown out when you consider the vast amount of players brought and money spent under Benitez. But if two key players are injured then it all goes floundering. Liverpool aren't the only club with destabilising owners. They just have a manager who is in some sort of constant feud with them. Should add that 6 defeats in 7 is more than just "poor form". I would call it "relegation form".