Redknapp - 'Wheeler Dealer'

africanspur · 15th December 2011, 18:02

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Originally Posted by peterstorey

On the cost side, wages have shot up by 36% from £67 million to £91 million, which the club attribute to “a large squad playing in both domestic and European competitions”, backed-up by the growth in headcount for players and football administration staff from 142 to 159.

Did you actually bother reading the whole article? Or if that is too difficult, just the very next line of the quote you lifted?

Although not separately analysed, some of the rise is surely also due to performance bonuses following Champions League success.

peterstorey · 15th December 2011, 18:06

No I didn't bother to read the whole article I just used it to back up my claim that Redknapp had sent your wages 'into orbit', which Swiss Tony did quite neatly. That has to be considered in the light of no CL windfall this season and wages for the likes of Adebayor (even at 60%) and Parker.

prateik · 15th December 2011, 18:08

They did get Crouch, Palacios, Hutton and Jenas off their wage bill

B19 · 15th December 2011, 18:20

Everytime this thread gets updated, I expect there to be some decision in his bung court case. When is he gonna go to jail, ffs?

peterstorey · 15th December 2011, 18:27

Whoa, he's in court on Mon 23 Jan - should be sent down by Fri 28 Jan.

RDCR07 · 16th December 2011, 04:33

Oh 'Arry has done it again.

Redknapp could be in hot water over gesture - ESPN Soccernet

De Selby · 16th December 2011, 04:40

And to salt-of-the-earth Rovers supporters an' all.

Denis' cuff · 16th December 2011, 09:24

so what were the spud munchers goading him about? Porridge?

Wonder Pigeon · 16th December 2011, 09:29

I don't think he knows the names of any of the clubs they've played in Europe this season. He keeps calling them the Greek team, the Russian team etc.

Denis' cuff · 16th December 2011, 09:40

ooh well - no wonder they had a go

Wonder Pigeon · 16th December 2011, 10:05

Oh no, the Rovers fans abused 'Arry because they're a shower of wankers.

africanspur · 16th December 2011, 10:55

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Originally Posted by peterstorey

No I didn't bother to read the whole article I just used it to back up my claim that Redknapp had sent your wages 'into orbit', which Swiss Tony did quite neatly. That has to be considered in the light of no CL windfall this season and wages for the likes of Adebayor (even at 60%) and Parker.

Well, I'll make this simple shall I?

Our managers have no control over the financial aspect of the club. Levy negotiates transfer fees with clubs and wages with players and agents. He has veto power over player acquisitions by the manager. All they do is provide a list of targets.

Since 2006, our revenue has increased by 121%. Our wage bill has increased by 124% in that period, of which Redknap has been manager for 3 years. That's consistent with increases in revenue.

Our wage bill will have gone up with entry into CL. That much is obvious. I assume all our players will have had such clauses inserted into their contracts.

The wage bill is still a significant way behind our 5 competitors, a full 20 million or so behind the next highest, 33 million behind you and almost 90 million behind City.

Having made a pre-tax profit in 6 of the past 7 seasons, despite spending money on planning permission ,buying property around the stadium and reducing our debt etc, forgive me if I don't cry with despair at the state of my club's finances just yet.

Parker and Adebayor will be receiving a max of 140k between them. We only pay 40% of Adebayor's wages. And we've trimmed a lot of the fat last summer and will likely do so again next.

At the end of last season, our wage to turnover ratio was 56%. Obviously without CL this season, this will go up but not to unsustainable levels, especially if we qualify again.

I believe we've made a net profit of 25 million in player transfers since Redknapp arrived. The last Deloitte rankings had us with the 12th highest revenue in the world and last season will probably push us up to the top 10. Hardly Portsmouth-esque.

Despite you using an out of context quote to prove you point, he concludes that

'In any case, they have done very well to compete at the highest levels without compromising the financial future of the club.'

Hope that helps.

utdalltheway · 16th December 2011, 11:18

not sure what happened at the Rovers game yesterday as I've only read 'Arry's side of events. from his side it sounds like the locals were hurling some disgusting abuse towards him so whatever gesture he gives back is well deserved imo.

what d'ya expect him to do - just take it?

Twigginater · 16th December 2011, 11:28

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Originally Posted by utdalltheway

not sure what happened at the Rovers game yesterday as I've only read 'Arry's side of events. from his side it sounds like the locals were hurling some disgusting abuse towards him so whatever gesture he gives back is well deserved imo.

what d'ya expect him to do - just take it?

Yes.

Sir A1ex · 16th December 2011, 11:36

Any footage of his "obscene" gesutre?

Makki · 16th December 2011, 11:40

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Originally Posted by utdalltheway

not sure what happened at the Rovers game yesterday as I've only read 'Arry's side of events. from his side it sounds like the locals were hurling some disgusting abuse towards him so whatever gesture he gives back is well deserved imo.

what d'ya expect him to do - just take it?

Yes. Players are expected to compose themselves when being abused. Shouldn't the same composure (and even more) be required from the manager?

utdalltheway · 16th December 2011, 12:38

he didn't jump into the crowd ala Cantona, supposedly he made a "gesture".

they're big lads when in a crowd. doubt any one of them would say what they (allegedly) said if they were one on one with him.

Makki · 16th December 2011, 12:44

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Originally Posted by utdalltheway

he didn't jump into the crowd ala Cantona, supposedly he made a "gesture".

they're big lads when in a crowd. doubt any one of them would say what they (allegedly) said if they were one on one with him.

I'm not saying that it's wrong to react.. But them's the rules and you have to abide by them.

utdalltheway · 16th December 2011, 12:46

I've no problem with that so long as it's the same rules for the big lads too. turf 'em out if they're being abusive.
I really dislike people like that when they hide in crowds.

rant over.

Decotron · 16th December 2011, 13:55

A lot of Rovers fans are just utter scum. They've a huge (relative to the league) amount of fans who are banned completely. Nothing to with the club either.

Half of them couldnt tell tell you their own starting 11. They play in green and white, thats enough for some fuck heads

peterstorey · 16th December 2011, 14:03

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Originally Posted by africanspur

Well, I'll make this simple shall I?

Our managers have no control over the financial aspect of the club. Levy negotiates transfer fees with clubs and wages with players and agents. He has veto power over player acquisitions by the manager. All they do is provide a list of targets. .

Look mate, you're the one who's being a bit simple, of course Redknapp has a big influence on the wage bill ballooning by 36%, Levy may hold the ultimate financial say (as do all CEOs) but Arry's the one who actually recruited these players and takes the credit for their success or otherwise.

GlastonSpur · 16th December 2011, 15:59

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Originally Posted by peterstorey

Look mate, you're the one who's being a bit simple, of course Redknapp has a big influence on the wage bill ballooning by 36% ...

The basic point is that revenue (income) has kept pace with this rise in the wage bill, thus the wages/turnover ratio remains more or less unchanged and remains one of the healthiest ratios in the Prem.

Thus your attempt to focus on wages alone - ánd thus portray Harry as a financial disaster - falls entirely flat.

Solius · 13th January 2012, 11:36

Harry Redknapp: I’m proud we’ve not spent like Man City | The Sun |Sport|Football

He's spot on with this.

Bryan_Munich · 13th January 2012, 11:42

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"You don't have to go out and spend fortunes to find good players."

Yep, you borrow City's instead.

Pogue Mahone · 13th January 2012, 11:45

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Originally Posted by Solius

Harry Redknapp: I’m proud we’ve not spent like Man City | The Sun |Sport|Football

He's spot on with this.

Hmmm... Spurs may have spent less than City but he's talking out his arse when he tries to portray Spurs as a club that doesn't splash the cash. Over the last 8 years their net spend is higher than United's (gross spending is very similar and higher over the last five years)

Transfer League Table 2003 - 2011 | League Tables

Lance Uppercut · 13th January 2012, 11:46

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Originally Posted by Bryan_Munich

Yep, you borrow City's instead.

KM · 13th January 2012, 11:48

Bit of a classless thing to slag the club which has agreed to give Spurs their main striker for half the wages.

Guy Incognito · 13th January 2012, 11:59

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Originally Posted by KM

Bit of a classless thing to slag the club which has agreed to give Spurs their main striker for half the wages.

And was interested in Tevez.

acnumber9 · 13th January 2012, 13:09

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Originally Posted by Bryan_Munich

Yep, you borrow City's instead.

Or hope somebody else had already signed them for you. Like Modric and Bale.

B19 · 13th January 2012, 13:17

just go to jail already.

Drifter · 7th May 2012, 20:55

Looks like they might let him loose in the transfer window this summer.Maybe the reason he stayed at Spurs.

Tottenham must be bold in transfer market
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/17980667

Wonder Pigeon · 7th May 2012, 20:59

Well with an international tournament on we can expect to be hearing about a lot of 'triffic players this summer.

Sean_RedDevil · 8th May 2012, 08:53

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Originally Posted by Wonder Pigeon

Well with an international tournament on we can expect to be hearing about a lot of 'triffic players this summer.

Hello

Harry Redknapp joins BBC Sport Euro 2012 team

noodlehair · 8th May 2012, 10:22

Every week Redknapp looks slightly more like he should be sitting in an armchair in the corner of a darkened living room somewhere, knitting another jumper for his grandson.

EricaNo7 · 8th May 2012, 10:29

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Originally Posted by noodlehair

Every week Redknapp looks slightly more like he should be sitting in an armchair in the corner of a darkened living room somewhere, knitting another jumper for his grandson.

that and wondering who to sell his latest cut and shut car too. He's always looked dodgy I think

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15th December 2011, 18:06	#162 (permalink)
peterstorey Bitter Arse hole Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Happy those, who can remain at Highbury! Posts: 26,003	No I didn't bother to read the whole article I just used it to back up my claim that Redknapp had sent your wages 'into orbit', which Swiss Tony did quite neatly. That has to be considered in the light of no CL windfall this season and wages for the likes of Adebayor (even at 60%) and Parker.

15th December 2011, 18:08	#163 (permalink)
prateik First Team Regular Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 19,029	They did get Crouch, Palacios, Hutton and Jenas off their wage bill

15th December 2011, 18:20	#164 (permalink)
B19 From YNWA Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: The name is B19 Posts: 10,944	Everytime this thread gets updated, I expect there to be some decision in his bung court case. When is he gonna go to jail, ffs?

15th December 2011, 18:27	#165 (permalink)
peterstorey Bitter Arse hole Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Happy those, who can remain at Highbury! Posts: 26,003	Whoa, he's in court on Mon 23 Jan - should be sent down by Fri 28 Jan.

16th December 2011, 04:33	#166 (permalink)
RDCR07 Not a bad guy (Whale Killer) Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Special One on the Great One: "I don't call him Alex or Sir or Mister. I call him Boss!" Posts: 11,328	Oh 'Arry has done it again. Redknapp could be in hot water over gesture - ESPN Soccernet

16th December 2011, 04:40	#167 (permalink)
De Selby Likes them tattooed and bald Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Look at that fucker Dance. Posts: 4,705	And to salt-of-the-earth Rovers supporters an' all.

16th December 2011, 09:24	#168 (permalink)
Denis' cuff First Team Sub Join Date: May 2007 Location: here Posts: 5,496	so what were the spud munchers goading him about? Porridge?

16th December 2011, 09:29	#169 (permalink)
Wonder Pigeon 'Shelbourne FC Supporter' Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Forza Shelbourne Posts: 17,206	I don't think he knows the names of any of the clubs they've played in Europe this season. He keeps calling them the Greek team, the Russian team etc.

16th December 2011, 09:40	#170 (permalink)
Denis' cuff First Team Sub Join Date: May 2007 Location: here Posts: 5,496	ooh well - no wonder they had a go

16th December 2011, 10:05	#171 (permalink)
Wonder Pigeon 'Shelbourne FC Supporter' Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Forza Shelbourne Posts: 17,206	Oh no, the Rovers fans abused 'Arry because they're a shower of wankers.

16th December 2011, 11:18	#173 (permalink)
utdalltheway First Team Regular Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Irvine, California, USA Posts: 10,444	not sure what happened at the Rovers game yesterday as I've only read 'Arry's side of events. from his side it sounds like the locals were hurling some disgusting abuse towards him so whatever gesture he gives back is well deserved imo. what d'ya expect him to do - just take it?

16th December 2011, 11:36	#175 (permalink)
Sir A1ex First Team Regular Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Where the goals come from. Posts: 19,907	Any footage of his "obscene" gesutre?

16th December 2011, 12:38	#177 (permalink)
utdalltheway First Team Regular Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Irvine, California, USA Posts: 10,444	he didn't jump into the crowd ala Cantona, supposedly he made a "gesture". they're big lads when in a crowd. doubt any one of them would say what they (allegedly) said if they were one on one with him.

16th December 2011, 12:46	#179 (permalink)
utdalltheway First Team Regular Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Irvine, California, USA Posts: 10,444	I've no problem with that so long as it's the same rules for the big lads too. turf 'em out if they're being abusive. I really dislike people like that when they hide in crowds. rant over.

16th December 2011, 13:55	#180 (permalink)
Decotron First Team Regular Join Date: May 2007 Location: I am not a man......................I am Cantona Posts: 20,025	A lot of Rovers fans are just utter scum. They've a huge (relative to the league) amount of fans who are banned completely. Nothing to with the club either. Half of them couldnt tell tell you their own starting 11. They play in green and white, thats enough for some fuck heads

13th January 2012, 11:36	#183 (permalink)
Solius Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Fucker shits Posts: 40,609	Harry Redknapp: I’m proud we’ve not spent like Man City \| The Sun \|Sport\|Football He's spot on with this.

13th January 2012, 11:48	#187 (permalink)
KM First Team Regular Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Q.P.R Posts: 14,862	Bit of a classless thing to slag the club which has agreed to give Spurs their main striker for half the wages.

13th January 2012, 13:17	#190 (permalink)
B19 From YNWA Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: The name is B19 Posts: 10,944	just go to jail already.

7th May 2012, 20:55	#191 (permalink)
Drifter No Lifer Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 30,934	Looks like they might let him loose in the transfer window this summer.Maybe the reason he stayed at Spurs. Tottenham must be bold in transfer market http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/17980667

7th May 2012, 20:59	#192 (permalink)
Wonder Pigeon 'Shelbourne FC Supporter' Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Forza Shelbourne Posts: 17,206	Well with an international tournament on we can expect to be hearing about a lot of 'triffic players this summer.

8th May 2012, 10:22	#194 (permalink)
noodlehair "It's like..." Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Flagg Posts: 2,099	Every week Redknapp looks slightly more like he should be sitting in an armchair in the corner of a darkened living room somewhere, knitting another jumper for his grandson.