Roy Hodgson | Appointed England Manager

AlwaysRedwood · 1st June 2012, 02:57

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Originally Posted by I'm always right

To be fair, Woy is the man that thought Paul Konchesky was a decent signing for Liverpool. The man is mid-table through and through.

As are Liverpool

Drainy · 1st June 2012, 03:13

If I remember correctly, weren't Liverpool basically really skint when Hodgson was manager and he was left with glaring holes in the squad in midfield and left fullback?

Yes he made some terrible signings but how many top 4 quality signings (that are ready to perform in less than 3 months, not in 3+ seasons) are made for £5million or less? It's bloody hard to find quality at that price so he went with who he knew and felt he could trust in Konchesky.

Snow · 1st June 2012, 04:05

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Originally Posted by I'm always right

He'd be mid-table if you compiled all the groups together into one big group.

Still the same thing mate

#07 · 3rd June 2012, 09:11

Euro 2012: Roy Hodgson talks England tactics with Gary Lineker

Never saw this before the game. Good interview. Sometimes I dunno what to think about Roy. He says all the right things and seems to have the right tactical blueprint but the side he's picked...?

Snake Plissken · 3rd June 2012, 11:55

I think they'll be harder to break down but I still think the first decent team they play will beat them to a pulp.

They just dont keep the ball well enough to get away with it at the Euros.

Stobzilla · 3rd June 2012, 15:13

I have defended Hodgson in this thread, I wish I hadn't bothered.

Any manager who is willing to not do everything in his power to get players like Carrick and Ferdinand playing while willing to settle on toss like Henderson and Martin Kelly can fucking do one.

peterstorey · 3rd June 2012, 15:14

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Originally Posted by #07

Euro 2012: Roy Hodgson talks England tactics with Gary Lineker

Never saw this before the game. Good interview. Sometimes I dunno what to think about Roy. He says all the right things and seems to have the right tactical blueprint but the side he's picked...?

He talks the talk but he doesn't walk it.

bosnian_red · 3rd June 2012, 15:15

What a joke, calls up Martin Kelly to replace Cahill ffs

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What reasons?????!!!

Is what rio has to say about this on twitter... Can imagine how pissed off he is

Burrow · 3rd June 2012, 15:16

Its obvious that Woy is such good pals with Fergie that he's giving our English lads a nice summer vacation

Cheesy · 3rd June 2012, 15:18

How can Kelly get in ahead of Richards?

bosnian_red · 3rd June 2012, 15:19

6 Liverpool players in the England squad

It's like Roy is trying to make up for being shite for them or something, I can think of no other possible explanation to have those players in the squad over players like Richards, rio, carrick. Ridiculous.

#07 · 3rd June 2012, 15:20

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Originally Posted by bosnian_red

What a joke, calls up Martin Kelly to replace Cahill ffs

Is what rio has to say about this on twitter... Can imagine how pissed off he is

The silver lining to this cloud is that a) Martin Kelly seems to be a more tactically aware full back than Glen "I go walkies" Johnson and b) Rio will get more rest to come back fit and firing for us next year.

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Originally Posted by LTS10

I think they'll be harder to break down but I still think the first decent team they play will beat them to a pulp.

They just dont keep the ball well enough to get away with it at the Euros.

And this is what gets me. He's got the idea right but not the players to actually implement it. We fail not on what we want to do but on what we're capable of doing with the players available to us. It doesn't help that some players are injured but there are others who are surely more comfortable on the ball than some of those heading to Poland & Ukraine.

kouroux · 3rd June 2012, 15:21

Martin fucking Kelly.Woy is such a fucking joke

Stobzilla · 3rd June 2012, 15:26

It is almost as if he has no expectations for this tournament at all. Like he has taken a look through the squad and thought "What do we do well" and come out thinking "defending"

He has basically picked a side to not concede get through this tournament. Weather I am now trying to give him too much credit I don't know. Hopefully we get embarressed, not World Cup 2010 embarressed where we got through the groups. I mean P3 W0 D0 L3 GD - 9

Damien · 3rd June 2012, 15:26

And this is what someone has had to say about it on rawk:

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Fact that he called up Kelly surely gives a lie to the "footballing reasons" excuse for excluding him in the first place? I am not arguing for Rio to be included, I a massive fan of Kelly, but he didn't play that many games for us last year and he has not even played as a CB for Liverpool.

Bizarre callup. If he wants to bring in a fullback to replace a CB it should be Richards not Kelly.

I don't blame Rio for being pissed off but if Roy Hodgson could only callup those who were on the standby list then I suppose there weren't many options.

Stobzilla · 3rd June 2012, 15:27

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Originally Posted by bosnian_red

What a joke, calls up Martin Kelly to replace Cahill ffs

Is what rio has to say about this on twitter... Can imagine how pissed off he is

It's a fucking disgrace [/drogba]

bosnian_red · 3rd June 2012, 15:28

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Originally Posted by #07

The silver lining to this cloud is that a) Martin Kelly seems to be a more tactically aware full back than Glen "I go walkies" Johnson and b) Rio will get more rest to come back fit and firing for us next year.

Yeah, Kelly's actually not at bad of a defender, it's just a joke that he is picked over rio and Richards.

Nate Dogg · 3rd June 2012, 15:32

Footballing reasons? My arse!!!

Neutral · 3rd June 2012, 15:32

I think we need to apologize to Liverpool fans for giving Hodgson shit from day 1...the man is fucking clueless.

Who has to die for Micah Richards to get a call up? I disagree with the Rio decision, but he can cite squad harmony...and I'll understand.

But Micah Richards had to be in that squad right from the start...He played Phil fucking Jones at Right Back.

Eugenius · 3rd June 2012, 15:32

Mertens is a massive cnut. There is no logic to Roy's selections at all. Is Micah Richards a worse right back than Jones, Johnson and Kelly? I think Richards has played more at CB than Kelly has this year too.

Raven Blade · 3rd June 2012, 15:32

What happened to a fresh start and a brave new world for the National team? Roy is taking us back to the dark ages of English football. It's very early days but he's making some mind boggling decisions that faili to inspire. I hope he's got a masterplan because for the first time in ages i'm deeply worried about our hopes in a tournament.

evra · 3rd June 2012, 15:34

In Hodgson's defence; it's clear that he is trying to give young players who have a future at international tournaments a chance. Rio and Carrick are both the wrong side of thirty and don't really represent likely choices for the world cup squad in 2014. Richards is the kind of player that fans rate but managers are less crazy about. Even Mancini seemed to lose faith towards the end of the season. Perhaps it is due to his poor positional awareness or perhaps he doesn't carry out instructions.

The White Pele · 3rd June 2012, 15:34

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Originally Posted by Eugenius

Mertens is a massive cnut. There is no logic to Roy's selections at all. Is Micah Richards a worse right back than Jones, Johnson and Kelly? I think Richards has played more at CB than Kelly has this year too.

Kelly's not in as a centre-back I don't think. Jones will be the 4th choice centre-back now.

kouroux · 3rd June 2012, 15:35

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Originally Posted by evra

In Hodgson's defence; it's clear that he is trying to give young players who have a future at international tournaments a chance. Rio and Carrick are both the wrong side of thirty and don't really represent likely choices for the world cup squad in 2014. Richards is the kind of player that fans rate but managers are less crazy about. Even Mancini seemed to lose faith towards the end of the season. Perhaps it is due to his poor positional awareness or perhaps he doesn't carry out instructions.

Look at it from every possible angles, there is no way Kelly should be on that team but he strangely is.I've never seen anything promising about Martin Kelly

#07 · 3rd June 2012, 15:35

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Originally Posted by bosnian_red

Yeah, Kelly's actually not at bad of a defender, it's just a joke that he is picked over rio and Richards.

Rio was still understandable even if you disagree because, whatever the F.A. say, Rio's omission has nothing to do with football and everything to do with the Big Man and captain, leader, legend "JT". With the Big Man in the squad Roy would be risking a very obvious clash in the camp by picking Rio given that "JT" racially abused his brother.

With Richards...frankly I'd have picked him over Johnson. I don't understand Glen Johnson, that is, why he gets picked. I've seen nothing from him to convince me that Mourinho's assessment of him as not good enough back when he was at Chelsea is wrong. Defensively very suspect and given that Roy's teams are all about shape and organisation I'm shocked he feels Johnson can do the job. I can understand him being sceptical about Richards' discipline because Mancini dropped him for Zabaleta cos of his positioning and Capello did the same. But if you drop Richards for that reason how can you still pick Johnson who seems to think he's an auxiliary winger?

Nate Dogg · 3rd June 2012, 15:36

With so many average players in the squad i can see only one outcome....total embarassment!!

7even · 3rd June 2012, 15:37

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Originally Posted by Stobzilla

I have defended Hodgson in this thread, I wish I hadn't bothered.

Any manager who is willing to not do everything in his power to get players like Carrick and Ferdinand playing while willing to settle on toss like Henderson and Martin Kelly can fucking do one.

I have to agree and tbh I can't understand his strategy. Not only will he be open for criticism he will also piss off the United camp. A lose and lose situation. Hodgson will probably be the second national manager (the fifth or sixth if we include AVB, Grant, Scolari and Ancelotti) who lost either their job or their credibility because of the BIG MAN. Quite a record if you ask me.

evra · 3rd June 2012, 15:38

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Originally Posted by kouroux

Look at it from every possible angles, there is no way Kelly should be on that team but he strangely is.I've never seen anything promising about Martin Kelly

I think he is picking players he has already worked with. This has all been a massive rush and he doesn't have time to start from square one with a load of new players. Kelly is a decent prospect, I'd say defensively no worse that Johnson so it's understandable. More importantly he will know what Hodgson expects from his defenders and how he fits into his systems.

#07 · 3rd June 2012, 15:41

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Originally Posted by 7even

I have to agree and tbh I can't understand his strategy. Not only will he be open for criticism he will also piss off the United camp. A lose and lose situation. Hodgson will probably be the second national manager (the fifth or sixth if we include AVB, Grant, Scolari and Ancelotti) who lost either their job or their credibility because of the BIG MAN. Quite a record if you ask me.

Don't forget: Captain, leader, legend.

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Originally Posted by Nate Dogg

With so many average players in the squad i can see only one outcome....total embarassment!!

We're coming home, we're coming home, we're coming...England coming home.

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Originally Posted by evra

I think he is picking players he has already worked with. This has all been a massive rush and he doesn't have time to start from square one with a load of new players. Kelly is a decent prospect, I'd say defensively no worse that Johnson so it's understandable. More importantly he will know what Hodgson expects from his defenders and how he fits into his systems.

I pray that this is the case.

Eugenius · 3rd June 2012, 15:45

Look at the picture of Rio

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18311737

7even · 3rd June 2012, 15:46

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Originally Posted by evra

I think he is picking players he has already worked with. This has all been a massive rush and he doesn't have time to start from square one with a load of new players. Kelly is a decent prospect, I'd say defensively no worse that Johnson so it's understandable. More importantly he will know what Hodgson expects from his defenders and how he fits into his systems.

Last time he trusted a bunch of Merseyside players he lost his job, I can see something similar this time.

duffer · 3rd June 2012, 15:48

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Originally Posted by Eugenius

Look at the picture of Rio

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18311737

This one would have been a more accurate description of the way Ferdinand has been treated...

Spoiler

gooDevil · 3rd June 2012, 15:52

Does anyone know whose left on the 'call-up' list? I wondering if there are any more midfielders and who they might be.

Ole's_toe_poke · 3rd June 2012, 15:56

Its amusing how Rio is being punished for Terry racially abusing Rio's brother, when it should be the other way around.

Leg-End · 3rd June 2012, 15:56

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Originally Posted by gooDevil

Does anyone know whose left on the 'call-up' list? I wondering if there are any more midfielders and who they might be.

Jay Spearing & Jonjo Shelvey probably.

gooDevil · 3rd June 2012, 15:58

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Originally Posted by bosnian_red

6 Liverpool players in the England squad

It's like Roy is trying to make up for being shite for them or something, I can think of no other possible explanation to have those players in the squad over players like Richards, rio, carrick. Ridiculous.

Its classic overcompensation, he must feel he didn't do right by the Liverpool players and is now giving them too much credit. I'm sure we're all familiar with that sort of behavior in ourselves.

evra · 3rd June 2012, 15:59

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Originally Posted by 7even

Last time he trusted a bunch of Merseyside players he lost his job, I can see something similar this time.

He had to deal with seriously unrealistic expectations at Liverpool. That will be less of a problem with England.

gooDevil · 3rd June 2012, 15:59

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Originally Posted by Leg-End

Jay Spearing & Jonjo Shelvey probably.

It honestly wouldn't surprise me, part of the season I want to know is to see if they're on it!

Solius · 3rd June 2012, 15:59

It's incredible. Hodgson is an absolute joke.

Not looking forward to watching us in this tournament.

evra · 3rd June 2012, 16:00

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Originally Posted by gooDevil

Its classic overcompensation, he must feel he didn't do right by the Liverpool players and is now giving them too much credit. I'm sure we're all familiar with that sort of behavior in ourselves.

I really doubt that's what it is.

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1st June 2012, 03:13	#4562 (permalink)
Drainy First Team Sub Join Date: May 2009 Location: in a stolen ice cream truck on the wrong side of town Posts: 5,695	If I remember correctly, weren't Liverpool basically really skint when Hodgson was manager and he was left with glaring holes in the squad in midfield and left fullback? Yes he made some terrible signings but how many top 4 quality signings (that are ready to perform in less than 3 months, not in 3+ seasons) are made for £5million or less? It's bloody hard to find quality at that price so he went with who he knew and felt he could trust in Konchesky.

3rd June 2012, 09:11	#4564 (permalink)
#07 Reserve Team Player Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 4,774	Euro 2012: Roy Hodgson talks England tactics with Gary Lineker Never saw this before the game. Good interview. Sometimes I dunno what to think about Roy. He says all the right things and seems to have the right tactical blueprint but the side he's picked...?

3rd June 2012, 11:55	#4565 (permalink)
Snake Plissken Aka LTS10 Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 3,977	I think they'll be harder to break down but I still think the first decent team they play will beat them to a pulp. They just dont keep the ball well enough to get away with it at the Euros.

3rd June 2012, 15:13	#4566 (permalink)
Stobzilla Official Team Perv Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: sir alex macheda fergsuson the bumble king. i respect david moyer but he is fragile like china Posts: 8,480	I have defended Hodgson in this thread, I wish I hadn't bothered. Any manager who is willing to not do everything in his power to get players like Carrick and Ferdinand playing while willing to settle on toss like Henderson and Martin Kelly can fucking do one.

3rd June 2012, 15:16	#4569 (permalink)
Burrow would like you all to call him "Glorious Leader" Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Beautiful Norway Posts: 13,067	Its obvious that Woy is such good pals with Fergie that he's giving our English lads a nice summer vacation

3rd June 2012, 15:18	#4570 (permalink)
Cheesy Smells Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Scotland Posts: 9,093	How can Kelly get in ahead of Richards?

3rd June 2012, 15:19	#4571 (permalink)
bosnian_red First Team Sub Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Canada Posts: 5,884	6 Liverpool players in the England squad It's like Roy is trying to make up for being shite for them or something, I can think of no other possible explanation to have those players in the squad over players like Richards, rio, carrick. Ridiculous.

3rd June 2012, 15:21	#4573 (permalink)
kouroux No Lifer Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Djibouti (La terre des braves) Posts: 32,515	Martin fucking Kelly.Woy is such a fucking joke

3rd June 2012, 15:26	#4574 (permalink)
Stobzilla Official Team Perv Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: sir alex macheda fergsuson the bumble king. i respect david moyer but he is fragile like china Posts: 8,480	It is almost as if he has no expectations for this tournament at all. Like he has taken a look through the squad and thought "What do we do well" and come out thinking "defending" He has basically picked a side to not concede get through this tournament. Weather I am now trying to give him too much credit I don't know. Hopefully we get embarressed, not World Cup 2010 embarressed where we got through the groups. I mean P3 W0 D0 L3 GD - 9

3rd June 2012, 15:32	#4578 (permalink)
Nate Dogg Don't Make Me Angry Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: UK Posts: 3,588	Footballing reasons? My arse!!!

3rd June 2012, 15:32	#4579 (permalink)
Neutral BTV Join Date: May 2010 Location: DC/Canberra/Dhaka Posts: 7,312	I think we need to apologize to Liverpool fans for giving Hodgson shit from day 1...the man is fucking clueless. Who has to die for Micah Richards to get a call up? I disagree with the Rio decision, but he can cite squad harmony...and I'll understand. But Micah Richards had to be in that squad right from the start...He played Phil fucking Jones at Right Back.

3rd June 2012, 15:32	#4580 (permalink)
Eugenius Reserve Team Player Join Date: May 2009 Location: Behind You Posts: 2,021	Mertens is a massive cnut. There is no logic to Roy's selections at all. Is Micah Richards a worse right back than Jones, Johnson and Kelly? I think Richards has played more at CB than Kelly has this year too.

3rd June 2012, 15:32	#4581 (permalink)
Raven Blade Dull Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Why do it the easy way? Do it the United way! Posts: 31,951	What happened to a fresh start and a brave new world for the National team? Roy is taking us back to the dark ages of English football. It's very early days but he's making some mind boggling decisions that faili to inspire. I hope he's got a masterplan because for the first time in ages i'm deeply worried about our hopes in a tournament.

3rd June 2012, 15:34	#4582 (permalink)
evra First Team Sub Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: If every instinct you have is wrong, then the opposite would have to be right. Posts: 9,108	In Hodgson's defence; it's clear that he is trying to give young players who have a future at international tournaments a chance. Rio and Carrick are both the wrong side of thirty and don't really represent likely choices for the world cup squad in 2014. Richards is the kind of player that fans rate but managers are less crazy about. Even Mancini seemed to lose faith towards the end of the season. Perhaps it is due to his poor positional awareness or perhaps he doesn't carry out instructions.

3rd June 2012, 15:36	#4586 (permalink)
Nate Dogg Don't Make Me Angry Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: UK Posts: 3,588	With so many average players in the squad i can see only one outcome....total embarassment!!

3rd June 2012, 15:45	#4590 (permalink)
Eugenius Reserve Team Player Join Date: May 2009 Location: Behind You Posts: 2,021	Look at the picture of Rio http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18311737

3rd June 2012, 15:52	#4593 (permalink)
gooDevil Worst scout ever Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: The Kids are the Future Posts: 16,945	Does anyone know whose left on the 'call-up' list? I wondering if there are any more midfielders and who they might be.

3rd June 2012, 15:56	#4594 (permalink)
Ole's_toe_poke First Team Regular Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 22,942	Its amusing how Rio is being punished for Terry racially abusing Rio's brother, when it should be the other way around.

3rd June 2012, 15:59	#4599 (permalink)
Solius I am a mod, I swear Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Everybody will be dancing and be doing it right. Posts: 49,487	It's incredible. Hodgson is an absolute joke. Not looking forward to watching us in this tournament.