Saturdays with only 3PM kick offs

Top · 13th January 2012, 21:09

Can someone explain to me why we now and again get these boring Saturdays with only 3PM matches?

Jacob · 13th January 2012, 21:11

Tv

cw1984 · 13th January 2012, 21:11

It's ever since Sky won more of the packages.

They only tend to show 3 live games per weekend (Sat-Mon) this season whereas last season it used to be 4.

mungy · 13th January 2012, 21:13

Every game should be 3pm on a Saturday.

rcoobc · 13th January 2012, 21:16

Quote:

Originally Posted by mungy

Every game should be 3pm on a Saturday.

But should it be on TV? What about Champions League games

And we've had one such weekend already: TV Fixtures, and games moved for TV.

Top · 13th January 2012, 21:16

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Originally Posted by cw1984

It's ever since Sky won more of the packages.

They only tend to show 3 live games per weekend (Sat-Mon) this season whereas last season it used to be 4.

I don't get that. Surely the TV companies have paid for a set amount of matches and will do everything to make full use of that?

Why does it vary, is simply just because Sky decided there weren't enough interesting matches this round?

Sewelly The Geordie · 13th January 2012, 21:19

Quote:

Originally Posted by mungy

Every game should be 3pm on a Saturday.

This.

Plechazunga · 13th January 2012, 21:20

^ The referent of that

Utd heap · 13th January 2012, 21:21

Boring?

I think its great...

Afternoon in the pub with my mates with a few betting slips watching all the scores come in.
Top one.

OneToAnother · 13th January 2012, 21:24

Every match every week should be 3pm saturday.

mufcwarm92 · 13th January 2012, 21:28

I agree completely. League games anyway.

Top · 13th January 2012, 21:32

I'll never understand that thinking, but instead of arguing the toss over it, I'll just quote the last debate I had on this subject and save us all the trouble and time of me calling you all bonkers...

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Originally Posted by Wayne_Rooney

Only three 3pm saturday kick offs? What a load of shite. Should be at least 6/7

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Originally Posted by Top

Why?

As a football fan I want as many matches on different times as possible.

Otherwise you have to pick one match at 3PM and then there's nothing to watch the rest of the weekend. Where's the fun in that?

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Originally Posted by Wayne_Rooney

I'd rather have 9 matches on at 3PM then watch all the highlights on MotD.

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Originally Posted by Top

Again, why?

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Originally Posted by Wayne_Rooney

Because that's how it always was. I know you can't watch as many games but I get as much enjoyment watching soccer saturday/latest score or whatever and seeing all the matches unfold.

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Originally Posted by Top

I don't get this at all. So your argument is that you just want things to be like they were, even though the old times weren't necessarily better?

7 matches times 90 minutes of football > 1 hour highlight show

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Originally Posted by Wayne_Rooney

Well I don't have enough time to watch 7 hours of football a day.

I don't mind a couple of matches on TV - the best fixtures should be. I just wish there were more than 3 on at 3pm.

cw1984 · 13th January 2012, 21:35

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Originally Posted by Top

I don't get that. Surely the TV companies have paid for a set amount of matches and will do everything to make full use of that?

Why does it vary, is simply just because Sky decided there weren't enough interesting matches this round?

I don't really understand all the logic behind it. Just something I've noticed.

Last year there was usually 4 games per weekend. Sky then won more packages from ESPN. There are now usually 3.

This weekend there are 2 live games on Sunday and 1 on Monday (I think).

rcoobc · 13th January 2012, 21:36

There needs to be more fairness to it. That is my only problem with it. For the group stages, all the European teams should play Saturday before, Europe midweek, Sunday after, then Carling Cup Wednesday, then Saturday again.

Something a bit similar should happen for the knock outs too.

But agree with Top, whats wrong with a 5:00 kickoff really?

cw1984 · 13th January 2012, 21:36

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Originally Posted by OneToAnother

Every match every week should be 3pm saturday.

Take your tin hat off grandad.

Randall Flagg · 13th January 2012, 21:41

To be honest I would Hate it to go back to every game at the same time.

Simply because I love watching football and the way it is now we get to see loads of games.

Anyways this weekend is almost standard apart from Saturday. We still get 3 normal live games and one on a stream (sadly that is Utd)

rcoobc · 13th January 2012, 21:43

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"We have sold our soul and we do not control our fixtures any more," Wenger told reporters.

"It is the truth. It is not normal that you can have a direct influence on the schedule through television."

Arsenal's first two games of 2012, a 2-1 league defeat at Fulham and a 1-0 FA Cup third-round victory over Leeds United, were screened Monday evenings.

Forthcoming league games against Swansea City and Manchester United will be played on a Sunday and the FA Cup tie with Aston Villa has been put back from Saturday January 28 to Sunday January 29.

The fourth-round clash with Villa will be televised on ESPN, causing Arsenal's league fixture with Bolton Wanderers the following Tuesday to be shifted to Wednesday.

"I believe the Premier League has to make sure there is a bit more fairness in the schedules," said Wenger.

"The Premier League has to decide what is fair and not fair. At the moment it is television that decides because the contracts are done in a way that is not right for the fairness of the competition.

"You cannot have decisive games with one team playing on Friday and then again Tuesday and another team Sunday and then Tuesday," the Frenchman added.

"That does not work. You can try and convince me that it is right but I can tell you from working in football for 30 years, it is not right because it is not fair."

Wenger today. It really does need a bit more fairness.

togg · 13th January 2012, 21:46

Ohhhhhhh, when I was a boy....all the football matches began at 3.00pm saturday, it meant no one knew what was going on to a certain extent..which meant when Fergie says, you just have to concentrate on what you are doing and not worry about the others...it really was the case.

Randall Flagg · 13th January 2012, 21:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by rcoobc

Wenger today. It really does need a bit more fairness.

Wenger loves a moan.

Our fixtures get changed more than anyones and we have coped fine.

rcoobc · 13th January 2012, 21:51

Quote:

Originally Posted by Randall Flagg

Wenger loves a moan.

Our fixtures get changed more than anyones and we have coped fine.

They don't, ours are written in, in the expectation that we do well in the Champions League. The only time ours get moved about is due to us doing well in cup competitions, or an external event. And even if they did "coped fine" isn't true when we got knocked out of the Group Stage.

But seriously, it would help the English teams to get them more rest before and after European nights. Carling Cup games get almost an entire team change (and we are talking pre-semi final), so make them Sunday-Wednesday-Saturday

Spoiler

And stick to that format making it very fair.

Colin129 · 13th January 2012, 22:29

I remember in the midst of time, early 70's I think, didn't they used to show football on the TV on a Saturday afternoon but they had to stop it because of some campaign that nothing was getting done on Saturday afternoons because too many blokes were watching football & not going shopping with the wife or something? This was long before Sunday trading.

Or am I making this up? I was very young at the time.

Does anyone know what it was all about?

Guy Incognito · 13th January 2012, 22:30

How much live games do Sky and ESPN have combined now?

Back in 2001-02, it was something like 170ish. Must be way more now.

Randall Flagg · 13th January 2012, 22:34

Robocop I was talking about seasons in general. We have coped fine. Not just this season.

And I do not blame fixture dates on our CL exit

T2000 · 13th January 2012, 22:40

I like to goto Old Trafford and watch the game at 3pm, then goto the pub afterwards and watch the afternoon game at 5'ish. Tomorrow I'm forced to goto the bishops blaise and listen to boilie. Although I don't mind the fella. Would prefer a 5pm city v spurs game or something.

Sunny Jim · 13th January 2012, 23:00

Quote:

Originally Posted by mungy

Every game should be 3pm on a Saturday.

in terms of televised games id preferred there was a game on Fri night, 3 games on Saturday, 2 on Sunday and one on Monday night. It would allow fans to watch a lot more games.

Cheesy · 13th January 2012, 23:02

I prefer it when games are at 3pm on a Saturday. There's nothing like leaving the football, going home, and hearing what all of the Premier League scores were. I hate it when there's only three or four on a Saturday afternoon.

Sunny Jim · 13th January 2012, 23:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by cheesy

I prefer it when games are at 3pm on a Saturday. There's nothing like leaving the football, going home, and hearing what all of the Premier League scores were. I hate it when there's only three or four on a Saturday afternoon.

like you dont check them on your mobile or summat

Top · 13th January 2012, 23:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by cheesy

I prefer it when games are at 3pm on a Saturday. There's nothing like leaving the football, going home, and hearing what all of the Premier League scores were.

Seriously, I'll never get this.

So those 2 seconds of pure joy you get form being told the scores are more exciting than getting to watch 2x90 minutes of intense Premier League football when we've got matches at 12.45 and 17.30?

Brosstan · 13th January 2012, 23:10

I think there should be 3 games in a row on saturdays and 2 games on saturdays, so you could watch 5 games every weekend. I dont like monday games much.

Steev · 13th January 2012, 23:11

Wenger is just echoing Fergie's thoughts from earlier this season:

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"When you shake hands with the devil you have to pay the price. Television is God at the moment," said Ferguson, who agreed that broadcasters had "too much power". "It shows itself quite clearly because when you see the fixture lists come out now, they can pick and choose whenever they want the top teams on television," he added.

"You get some ridiculous situations when you're playing on Wednesday night in Europe and then at lunchtime the following Saturday. You ask any manager if they would pick that themselves and there'd be absolutely no chance."

Sir Alex Ferguson claims football has sold soul to TV 'devil' | Football | The Guardian

Wenger's statement here...

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"You cannot have decisive games with one team playing on Friday and then again Tuesday and another team Sunday and then Tuesday," the Frenchman added.

... is (presumably) referring to the New Year fixtures. Liverpool played Newcastle on Friday then had four days rest before the Man City game. Whereas City played on the Sunday and had only two days off. Mancini also complained about this at the time. Not that it mattered, in the end...

Anyway, 3pm kick-offs are preferable for certain fans (y'know, the ones who actually attend the games). But pretty dull for those of us who don't (or can't).

rcoobc · 13th January 2012, 23:18

Quote:

Originally Posted by Randall Flagg

Robocop I was talking about seasons in general. We have coped fine. Not just this season.

And I do not blame fixture dates on our CL exit

Fair enough, I don't blame the fixtures for our CL exit either, but it is something I have thought for years, and something that Premier League managers have complained about for years.

Premier League teams do not get enough help in Europe.

For us, this Christmas Period has been far better than ones previously, we didn't play 30th Dec - 1st Jan

kleberson_ · 13th January 2012, 23:30

Love 3pm kick-off, bring back good memories from back in the days.

kleberson_ · 13th January 2012, 23:31

Quote:

Originally Posted by Top

Seriously, I'll never get this.

So those 2 seconds of pure joy you get form being told the scores are more exciting than getting to watch 2x90 minutes of intense Premier League football when we've got matches at 12.45 and 17.30?

Well, I agree, my wife don't.

Gazza · 13th January 2012, 23:35

It is a little sad that I've become so used to the bastardized kick off times that a Saturday of 3's does seem a bit of an oddity.

It's now even a long time ago that Sky only had one 4pm Sunday game plus an occasional Monday night. That seemed perfect to me (although Monday night's aren't convenient for traveling fans I know) because it meant the games that were shown were likely to be the game of the week and have that special aura of being televised.

Now a televised football match is like the junkie's middle-of-the-afternoon hit, you barely feel it and just satisfies a kind of craving. I dunno actually, that could easily be a load of arse.

Gazza · 13th January 2012, 23:38

Also, part of the fun of a whole Saturday schedule was the fact that watching Granstand really was the highlight of my Saturday afternoons as a kid. Now it would just seem like a shitty diet where you deprive yourself of processed food and only eat what's naturally grown; pointless.

mungy · 13th January 2012, 23:41

Quote:

Originally Posted by Top

Seriously, I'll never get this.

So those 2 seconds of pure joy you get form being told the scores are more exciting than getting to watch 2x90 minutes of intense Premier League football when we've got matches at 12.45 and 17.30?

Nothing better than hearing the scores as you leave the ground. Then going home and waiting for MOTD.

Internet football geeks, including the pricks here, suck big time

Gazza · 13th January 2012, 23:50

Quote:

Originally Posted by mungy

Nothing better than hearing the scores as you leave the ground. Then going home and waiting for MOTD.

Internet football geeks, including the pricks here, suck big time

Well, if MOTD was worth a shit maybe. I'd take Football First or whatever it is Sky were doing, over MOTD.

Top · 13th January 2012, 23:55

Quote:

Originally Posted by mungy

Nothing better than hearing the scores as you leave the ground. Then going home and waiting for MOTD.

Internet football geeks, including the pricks here, suck big time

I think you're right, it must be a case of you guys not enjoying watching random football quite as much as those of us who love watching 5 games in a row on a Saturday.

I just find it hard to relate to that, I suppose.

mungy · 14th January 2012, 00:01

Quote:

Originally Posted by Top

I think you're right, it must be a case of you guys not enjoying watching random football quite as much as those of us who love watching 5 games in a row on a Saturday.

I just find it hard to relate to that, I suppose.

Nothing better than watching your local team play eh! coming come and watching the rest of the shit is a bonus.

Brosstan · 14th January 2012, 00:19

Quote:

Originally Posted by mungy

Nothing better than hearing the scores as you leave the ground. Then going home and waiting for MOTD.

Internet football geeks, including the pricks here, suck big time

You are a fucking small time idiot if you think your little joy of being a matchgoing fan (which is already a big fucking privilege in itself) "hearing the scores as you leave the stadium" should carry more weight than the millions of fans just loving football and wanting to see as much as possible live.

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Jacob First Team Regular Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Valencia fanboi Posts: 17,650	Tv

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cw1984 Compulsive wanker Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Guiding Cardiff to the promised land just so I can wipe that smug fucking grin of Cider's face. Posts: 24,015	It's ever since Sky won more of the packages. They only tend to show 3 live games per weekend (Sat-Mon) this season whereas last season it used to be 4.

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Utd heap First Team Regular Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 11,972	Boring? I think its great... Afternoon in the pub with my mates with a few betting slips watching all the scores come in. Top one.

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rcoobc Not as crap as eferyone thinks Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Corrupting West Brom Posts: 17,207	There needs to be more fairness to it. That is my only problem with it. For the group stages, all the European teams should play Saturday before, Europe midweek, Sunday after, then Carling Cup Wednesday, then Saturday again. Something a bit similar should happen for the knock outs too. But agree with Top, whats wrong with a 5:00 kickoff really?

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Randall Flagg Scarlett woman ( Frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn ) Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 16,684	To be honest I would Hate it to go back to every game at the same time. Simply because I love watching football and the way it is now we get to see loads of games. Anyways this weekend is almost standard apart from Saturday. We still get 3 normal live games and one on a stream (sadly that is Utd)

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togg Reserve Team Player Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: 1st floor flat Posts: 2,140	Ohhhhhhh, when I was a boy....all the football matches began at 3.00pm saturday, it meant no one knew what was going on to a certain extent..which meant when Fergie says, you just have to concentrate on what you are doing and not worry about the others...it really was the case.

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Colin129 First Team Regular Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Aliens are in control of my tagline & location, but they'll never take me alive! Posts: 10,832	I remember in the midst of time, early 70's I think, didn't they used to show football on the TV on a Saturday afternoon but they had to stop it because of some campaign that nothing was getting done on Saturday afternoons because too many blokes were watching football & not going shopping with the wife or something? This was long before Sunday trading. Or am I making this up? I was very young at the time. Does anyone know what it was all about?

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Guy Incognito Reserve Team Player Join Date: May 2011 Location: Somewhere Posts: 4,768	How much live games do Sky and ESPN have combined now? Back in 2001-02, it was something like 170ish. Must be way more now.

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Randall Flagg Scarlett woman ( Frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn ) Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 16,684	Robocop I was talking about seasons in general. We have coped fine. Not just this season. And I do not blame fixture dates on our CL exit

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T2000 Banned Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: In mariah careys knicker drawer. Posts: 3,687	I like to goto Old Trafford and watch the game at 3pm, then goto the pub afterwards and watch the afternoon game at 5'ish. Tomorrow I'm forced to goto the bishops blaise and listen to boilie. Although I don't mind the fella. Would prefer a 5pm city v spurs game or something.

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Cheesy Smells Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Scotland Posts: 5,320	I prefer it when games are at 3pm on a Saturday. There's nothing like leaving the football, going home, and hearing what all of the Premier League scores were. I hate it when there's only three or four on a Saturday afternoon.

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Brosstan Reserve Team Player Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 2,766	I think there should be 3 games in a row on saturdays and 2 games on saturdays, so you could watch 5 games every weekend. I dont like monday games much.

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kleberson_ Reserve Team Player Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: In Sir Alex's pocket. Posts: 835	Love 3pm kick-off, bring back good memories from back in the days.

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Gazza Magic Carpet Pilot Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: "some place faaar away... yes, that'll do" Posts: 27,086	It is a little sad that I've become so used to the bastardized kick off times that a Saturday of 3's does seem a bit of an oddity. It's now even a long time ago that Sky only had one 4pm Sunday game plus an occasional Monday night. That seemed perfect to me (although Monday night's aren't convenient for traveling fans I know) because it meant the games that were shown were likely to be the game of the week and have that special aura of being televised. Now a televised football match is like the junkie's middle-of-the-afternoon hit, you barely feel it and just satisfies a kind of craving. I dunno actually, that could easily be a load of arse.

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Gazza Magic Carpet Pilot Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: "some place faaar away... yes, that'll do" Posts: 27,086	Also, part of the fun of a whole Saturday schedule was the fact that watching Granstand really was the highlight of my Saturday afternoons as a kid. Now it would just seem like a shitty diet where you deprive yourself of processed food and only eat what's naturally grown; pointless.