"Shit hanging from a stick"

The Hairdryer · 8th May 2007, 07:16

The former Real Madrid coach and World Cup winner Jorge Valdano has attacked Rafael Benítez and Jose Mourinho, insisting that they are ushering in a bleak future for football and likening the Champions League semi-final between Liverpool and Chelsea to "a shit hanging from a stick".

WeWonItTwoTimes · 8th May 2007, 07:19

Brilliant

Man Utd Mrs · 8th May 2007, 07:24

Is this the actual quote or has something been lost in translation?

Tabata · 8th May 2007, 07:31

Link?

Suresh · 8th May 2007, 07:35

Mozza · 8th May 2007, 07:38

http://football.guardian.co.uk/News_...074386,00.html

Choice quoute - "Football is made up of subjective feeling, of suggestion - and, in that, Anfield is unbeatable. Put a shit hanging from a stick in the middle of this passionate, crazy stadium and there are people who will tell you it's a work of art. It's not: it's a shit hanging from a stick.

neno · 8th May 2007, 07:44

"If Didier Drogba was the best player in the first match it was purely because he was the one who ran the fastest, jumped the highest and crashed into people the hardest. Such extreme intensity wipes away talent, even leaving a player of Joe Cole's class disoriented. If football is going the way Chelsea and Liverpool are taking it, we had better be ready to wave goodbye to any expression of the cleverness and talent we have enjoyed for a century."

"Both of those things stem from one key factor: neither Mourinho nor Benítez made it as a player. That has made them channel all their vanity into coaching. Those who did not have the talent to make it as players do not believe in the talent of players, they do not believe in the ability to improvise in order to win football matches. In short, Benítez and Mourinho are exactly the kind of coaches that Benítez and Mourinho would have needed to have made it as players."

class quotes

Cold_Boy · 8th May 2007, 07:45

Former Real Madrid boss and Argentine World Cup winner Jorge Valdano has slaughtered the managers of Liverpool and Chelsea - Rafa Benitez and Jose Mourinho respectively - after their Champions League semifinal meeting.

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In a column for Marca, a scathing Valdano penned: "Football is made up of subjective feeling, of suggestion - and, in that, Anfield is unbeatable. Put a s*** hanging from a stick in the middle of this passionate, crazy stadium and there are people who will tell you it's a work of art. It's not: it's a s*** hanging from a stick.

"Chelsea and Liverpool are the clearest, most exaggerated example of the way football is going: very intense, very collective, very tactical, very physical, and very direct," he added. "But, a short pass? Noooo. A feint? Noooo. A change of pace? Noooo. A one-two? A nutmeg? A backheel? Don't be ridiculous. None of that. The extreme control and seriousness with which both teams played the semi-final neutralised any creative licence, any moments of exquisite skill.

"If Didier Drogba was the best player in the first match it was purely because he was the one who ran the fastest, jumped the highest and crashed into people the hardest. Such extreme intensity wipes away talent, even leaving a player of Joe Cole's class disoriented. If football is going the way Chelsea and Liverpool are taking it, we had better be ready to wave goodbye to any expression of the cleverness and talent we have enjoyed for a century."

Valdano explained why Benitez and Mourinho were to blame for the demise of flair and creativity. "The lives of Mourinho and Benitez have crossed in a world that is ever more scrutinised and exposed by the media, which is why they look at each other with such distrust," he wrote, "but they have two things in common: a previously denied, hitherto unsatisfied hunger for glory, and a desire to have everything under control.

"Both of those things stem from one key factor: neither Mourinho nor Benitez made it as a player. That has made them channel all their vanity into coaching. Those who did not have the talent to make it as players do not believe in the talent of players, they do not believe in the ability to improvise in order to win football matches. In short, Benitez and Mourinho are exactly the kind of coaches that Benitez and Mourinho would have needed to have made it as players."

The whole thing together

The Hairdryer · 8th May 2007, 08:12

Hassan · 8th May 2007, 08:29

Valdano just made a lot of sense in that article. Classy analysis

Bearded but no genius · 8th May 2007, 09:10

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mozza

http://football.guardian.co.uk/News_...074386,00.html

Choice quoute - "Football is made up of subjective feeling, of suggestion - and, in that, Anfield is unbeatable. Put a shit hanging from a stick in the middle of this passionate, crazy stadium and there are people who will tell you it's a work of art. It's not: it's a shit hanging from a stick.

I love this man.

VP · 8th May 2007, 09:56

Never a truer word has been said.

Number7 · 8th May 2007, 10:03

He should have commented on us being "the light"...then it'd be perfect.

cinc · 8th May 2007, 10:07

So fuckin' true.

Salvation · 8th May 2007, 10:13

Another one sees the light

Iron Stove · 8th May 2007, 10:20

Love it! This made my otherwise shitty day a little better.

karan316 · 8th May 2007, 10:24

Quote:

Originally Posted by Iron Stove

Love it! This made my otherwise shitty day a little better.

we just won the league mate!

Champions!

Veron · 8th May 2007, 10:33

Great read.

"Those who did not have the talent to make it as players do not believe in the talent of players, they do not believe in the ability to improvise in order to win football matches. In short, Benitez and Mourinho are exactly the kind of coaches that Benitez and Mourinho would have needed to have made it as players."

Good point to an extent but what about the likes of saf and wenger.

Van Piorsing · 8th May 2007, 10:33

Finally, someone in this circus called Real Madrid, started to think wisely.

marcosdeto · 8th May 2007, 10:41

Valdano played in the butragueño and hugo sanchez real madrid, they won the liga undefeated

he also played with maradona in world cup 1986, so when he talks about good players -and bad ones- he knows his onions

FreakyJim · 8th May 2007, 10:53

afrocentricity · 8th May 2007, 10:56

Quote:

Originally Posted by Varun

Great read.

"Those who did not have the talent to make it as players do not believe in the talent of players, they do not believe in the ability to improvise in order to win football matches. In short, Benitez and Mourinho are exactly the kind of coaches that Benitez and Mourinho would have needed to have made it as players."

Good point to an extent but what about the likes of saf and wenger.

Frgie was a decent striker weren't he?

Bilbo · 8th May 2007, 10:58

Sign him as our PR consultant immediately. The man knows his onions

Salvation · 8th May 2007, 11:11

Quote:

Originally Posted by marcosdeto

Valdano played in the butragueño and hugo sanchez real madrid, they won the liga undefeated

he also played with maradona in world cup 1986, so when he talks about good players -and bad ones- he knows his onions

That ain't gonna stop 'em from calling him clueless Marcos

TGA · 8th May 2007, 11:19

Stevie G

Shit on a stick

Robbo · 8th May 2007, 11:37

brilliant

The Hairdryer · 8th May 2007, 13:08

bump

Dumbstar · 8th May 2007, 13:23

Quote:

Originally Posted by marcosdeto

Valdano played in the butragueño and hugo sanchez real madrid, they won the liga undefeated

he also played with maradona in world cup 1986, so when he talks about good players -and bad ones- he knows his onions

Erm, yeah, cos if a young Maradona was offered to Jose and Benitez they would tell the youngster to f*ck off because he's not tall enough.

Ferguson · 8th May 2007, 14:06

A scathing indictment. It really is painful watching the way Chelsea and Liverpool play.

I'd watch Arsenal over them any day, and I hate Arsenal and Wenger just as much. When I watch Chelsea I feel like the players' talent is shining despite their team rather than because of it.

roonaldo78 · 8th May 2007, 14:41

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dumpstar

Erm, yeah, cos if a young Maradona was offered to Jose and Benitez they would tell the youngster to f*ck off because he's not tall enough.

Benitez would probably get him to practice penalties first.

Richter · 8th May 2007, 15:07

I rate Mr Valdano's opinion

FlawlessThaw · 8th May 2007, 16:02

So true as well.

quethenoo · 8th May 2007, 16:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by afrocentricity

Frgie was a decent striker weren't he?

Well he played for scotland, and rangers so he must have been half decent. Think he got a few rough breaks along the way, never a world beater mind.

R*v*N · 8th May 2007, 16:08

CR#7 · 8th May 2007, 16:31

hahaha lovely.

Wonder Pigeon · 8th May 2007, 18:12

Plechazunga · 8th May 2007, 18:22

what a great quote.

massey · 8th May 2007, 19:25

That was a great read,valdano speaks such sense

KingEric7 · 8th May 2007, 19:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tabata

Link?

You still here? Going back on your own bet,

.

UBERScholes · 8th May 2007, 20:18

That is total brilliance from Valdano

Spot on

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WeWonItTwoTimes Banned Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: America's Red Cafe Spokesman (behind enemy lines) Posts: 4,015	Brilliant

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Man Utd Mrs Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: M.U.M. knows best. Posts: 24,194	Is this the actual quote or has something been lost in translation?

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Mozza Mrs Carrick Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Let Rooney be Rooney Posts: 19,805	http://football.guardian.co.uk/News_...074386,00.html Choice quoute - "Football is made up of subjective feeling, of suggestion - and, in that, Anfield is unbeatable. Put a shit hanging from a stick in the middle of this passionate, crazy stadium and there are people who will tell you it's a work of art. It's not: it's a shit hanging from a stick.

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neno Reserve Team Player Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: A town called Malice. Posts: 1,686	"If Didier Drogba was the best player in the first match it was purely because he was the one who ran the fastest, jumped the highest and crashed into people the hardest. Such extreme intensity wipes away talent, even leaving a player of Joe Cole's class disoriented. If football is going the way Chelsea and Liverpool are taking it, we had better be ready to wave goodbye to any expression of the cleverness and talent we have enjoyed for a century." "Both of those things stem from one key factor: neither Mourinho nor Benítez made it as a player. That has made them channel all their vanity into coaching. Those who did not have the talent to make it as players do not believe in the talent of players, they do not believe in the ability to improvise in order to win football matches. In short, Benítez and Mourinho are exactly the kind of coaches that Benítez and Mourinho would have needed to have made it as players." class quotes

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Cold_Boy Banned Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: London,UK Posts: 17,368	Former Real Madrid boss and Argentine World Cup winner Jorge Valdano has slaughtered the managers of Liverpool and Chelsea - Rafa Benitez and Jose Mourinho respectively - after their Champions League semifinal meeting. Click Here! In a column for Marca, a scathing Valdano penned: "Football is made up of subjective feeling, of suggestion - and, in that, Anfield is unbeatable. Put a s* hanging from a stick in the middle of this passionate, crazy stadium and there are people who will tell you it's a work of art. It's not: it's a s* hanging from a stick. "Chelsea and Liverpool are the clearest, most exaggerated example of the way football is going: very intense, very collective, very tactical, very physical, and very direct," he added. "But, a short pass? Noooo. A feint? Noooo. A change of pace? Noooo. A one-two? A nutmeg? A backheel? Don't be ridiculous. None of that. The extreme control and seriousness with which both teams played the semi-final neutralised any creative licence, any moments of exquisite skill. "If Didier Drogba was the best player in the first match it was purely because he was the one who ran the fastest, jumped the highest and crashed into people the hardest. Such extreme intensity wipes away talent, even leaving a player of Joe Cole's class disoriented. If football is going the way Chelsea and Liverpool are taking it, we had better be ready to wave goodbye to any expression of the cleverness and talent we have enjoyed for a century." Valdano explained why Benitez and Mourinho were to blame for the demise of flair and creativity. "The lives of Mourinho and Benitez have crossed in a world that is ever more scrutinised and exposed by the media, which is why they look at each other with such distrust," he wrote, "but they have two things in common: a previously denied, hitherto unsatisfied hunger for glory, and a desire to have everything under control. "Both of those things stem from one key factor: neither Mourinho nor Benitez made it as a player. That has made them channel all their vanity into coaching. Those who did not have the talent to make it as players do not believe in the talent of players, they do not believe in the ability to improvise in order to win football matches. In short, Benitez and Mourinho are exactly the kind of coaches that Benitez and Mourinho would have needed to have made it as players." The whole thing together

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Hassan Reserve Team Player Join Date: May 2005 Location: Saudi Arabia Posts: 1,180	Valdano just made a lot of sense in that article. Classy analysis

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Veron Varun Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 3,258	Great read. "Those who did not have the talent to make it as players do not believe in the talent of players, they do not believe in the ability to improvise in order to win football matches. In short, Benitez and Mourinho are exactly the kind of coaches that Benitez and Mourinho would have needed to have made it as players." Good point to an extent but what about the likes of saf and wenger.

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Van Piorsing Lost his light sabre Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Polska Posts: 10,578	Finally, someone in this circus called Real Madrid, started to think wisely.

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marcosdeto Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Buenos Aires - Argentina Posts: 42,355	Valdano played in the butragueño and hugo sanchez real madrid, they won the liga undefeated he also played with maradona in world cup 1986, so when he talks about good players -and bad ones- he knows his onions

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Ferguson Reserve Team Player Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Seoul, South Korea Posts: 2,690	A scathing indictment. It really is painful watching the way Chelsea and Liverpool play. I'd watch Arsenal over them any day, and I hate Arsenal and Wenger just as much. When I watch Chelsea I feel like the players' talent is shining despite their team rather than because of it.

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massey Reserve Team Player Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: I wish monkeys could use skype Posts: 3,141	That was a great read,valdano speaks such sense