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Hectic · 26th October 2011, 14:39

That's the other thing acrebo, if Anton didn't know about it on the pitch, and was made aware afterward, then why would Terry speak out in the first place, unless he's done a quick time jump into the future? If Anton didn't say anything on the pitch, what could possibly give Terry a reason to say that anyway? Surely he can only respond with the comment once Anton has said something.

Commadus · 26th October 2011, 14:47

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Originally Posted by Hectic

That's the other thing acrebo, if Anton didn't know about it on the pitch, and was made aware afterward, then why would Terry speak out in the first place, unless he's done a quick time jump into the future? If Anton didn't say anything on the pitch, what could possibly give Terry a reason to say that anyway? Surely he can only respond with the comment once Anton has said something.

In JT world he is never wrong even when he's sleeping with his teammates partner.

Neutral · 26th October 2011, 14:51

Stan Collymore attracting some interesting commentary due to this racism stuff

courtesy of HCK:

andrewking85 andrewking
by StanCollymore
@StanCollymore what is point of ** last picture tweet.??the world don't owe you nothing you soppy black plum #thisisenglandnotafrica

anthonyquinn11 anthony quinn
by StanCollymore
@
@StanCollymore and I guess if u were stood infront of hitler you would av defied him... Easy said 73 yrs on ya racist pig!

justinhoward6 justin howard
by StanCollymore
@
@StanCollymore would love to know what you know Stan, you obviously know the truth!!! Seems to me you're looking for a #Lynching

LiverpoolEwan Ewan
by StanCollymore
@StanCollymore loving all this stan ya big nigga x

kps88 · 26th October 2011, 14:55

You can't blame Anton for being silent. Its risky business taking on the England captain.

This could all be sorted if Ashley fucking Cole didn't decide to prance around in front of him.

Commadus · 26th October 2011, 14:56

Quote:

Originally Posted by Neutral

Stan Collymore attracting some interesting commentary due to this racism stuff

courtesy of HCK:

andrewking85 andrewking
by StanCollymore
@StanCollymore what is point of ** last picture tweet.??the world don't owe you nothing you soppy black plum #thisisenglandnotafrica

anthonyquinn11 anthony quinn
by StanCollymore
@
@StanCollymore and I guess if u were stood infront of hitler you would av defied him... Easy said 73 yrs on ya racist pig!

justinhoward6 justin howard
by StanCollymore
@
@StanCollymore would love to know what you know Stan, you obviously know the truth!!! Seems to me you're looking for a #Lynching

LiverpoolEwan Ewan
by StanCollymore
@StanCollymore loving all this stan ya big nigga x

It's why I refuse to use twitter it's just garbage.

finneh · 26th October 2011, 14:57

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Originally Posted by Pogue Mahone

Terry could have called Paddy Kenny a "fat cnut", which Ferdinand misheard and said "did you call me a black cnut?"

All very unlikely and whoever is investigating it just needs to ask Ferdinand whether or not he did ask that specific question.

Mystery solved

!

The most likely thing is that Terry was calling him a cnut and using "black" as another adjective, not as a particularly racist insult, just as an insult.

I don't really see how the word black makes what he said racist. Anton Ferdinand is black and Terry was calling him a cnut. I don't see how it would be any different than calling someone a "tall cnut" or a "blonde-haired cnut". In fact, the inference by people that using the word "black" as an adjective is racist is probably the most racist thing of all.

Either way though I despise Terry, so throw the book at the racist thug!

Makki · 26th October 2011, 15:01

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Originally Posted by finneh

Mystery solved

!

The most likely thing is that Terry was calling him a cnut and using "black" as another adjective, not as a particularly racist insult, just as an insult.

I don't really see how the word black makes what he said racist. Anton Ferdinand is black and Terry was calling him a cnut. I don't see how it would be any different than calling someone a "tall cnut" or a "blonde-haired cnut". In fact, the inference by people that using the word "black" as an adjective is racist is probably the most racist thing of all.

Either way though I despise Terry so throw the book at the racist thug!

Tall people and blonde people aren't races so are per definition not able to be targeted with racism per se.

Oh, and neither are scousers, so you ain't a racist if you call someone a scouse cunt.

Neutral · 26th October 2011, 15:02

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Originally Posted by Commadus

It's why I refuse to use twitter it's just garbage.

I follow some of the journos, get a heads up as soon as they put up new articles, some United journos(put up pics, interviews, reminders for things on MUTV) and CNN/BBC/Al Jazeera along with some american sports journos, Bill Simmons and a few others.

This was retweeted to me, but yes, it is mostly rubbish.

RK · 26th October 2011, 15:03

Does Terry have previous when it comes to racism claims? Or Xenophibia? I can't remember but something's in the back of my head. Could well be wrong.

RK · 26th October 2011, 15:05

After research it appears he doesn't, but has abused some Americans about 9/11.

Kaos · 26th October 2011, 15:06

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Originally Posted by RK

After research it appears he doesn't, but has abused some Americans about 9/11.

Erm what?

Neutral · 26th October 2011, 15:09

^ post 9/11...he was drunk with some other Chelsea players, saw some American tourists and said/did a few not so nice things...

Quote:

The 9/11 party
With their flight to an away match at Levski Sofia grounded in the aftermath of the Terror attacks on New York and Washington in September 2001, Chelsea players found themselves at a loose end. Some went home to watch CNN, but Terry Eidur Gudjohnsen, Frank Lampard and Morris had other ideas.

After visiting a couple of pubs - where a "hammered" Gudjohnsen stripped off and threw peanuts at punters while Lampard and Morris urinated in a rubbish bin outside - the group went on to a local bowling alley where they hurled themselves down the lanes and saw former colleague Frank Sinclair, who by now had joined the party, almost decapitated by the pin-changing mechanism.

Finally they ended up in the bar of the Posthouse Hotel at Heathrow, where stranded travellers, many of them Americans, had gathered to watch events unfold on TV. Instead they were treated to the players throwing food around while pictures were shown of sobbing firemen searching through the rubble for the dead, before one player exposed himself to the appalled throng.

Chelsea FC subsequently fined the trio for their behaviour.

Hectic · 26th October 2011, 15:10

Quote:

Originally Posted by RK

Does Terry have previous when it comes to racism claims? Or Xenophibia? I can't remember but something's in the back of my head. Could well be wrong.

I'm sure there is, I remember an allegation made a while back, there was definitely some kind of claim made.

Lance Uppercut · 26th October 2011, 15:11

Ledley King, right?

Hectic · 26th October 2011, 15:12

That's the one, almost five years ago.

RK · 26th October 2011, 15:16

Oh right. Good one memory.

duffer · 26th October 2011, 15:17

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Originally Posted by RedKaos

Erm what?

He and a few other Chelsea players were in a hotel bar (our old train ground was close to heathrow airport) being drunk and loud on September11th 2001. They were asked to keep the noise down by some Americans who were (understandably) not in the mood for drunken idiots. The Americans were pretty much told to fuck off.

I was told this by a good friend of one of the players there, nothingabout 9 11 was mentioned by the players. Might be bollocks but thats my understanding.

Lance Uppercut · 26th October 2011, 15:22

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Originally Posted by duffer

He and a few other Chelsea players were in a hotel bar (our old train ground was close to heathrow airport) being drunk and loud on September11th 2001. They were asked to keep the noise down by some Americans who were (understandably) not in the mood for drunken idiots. The Americans were pretty much told to fuck off.

I was told this by a good friend of one of the players there, nothingabout 9 11 was mentioned by the players. Might be bollocks but thats my understanding.

I would be inclined to believe that. The 9/11 part being a nice bit of spin for the gutter press.

Makki · 26th October 2011, 15:29

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Originally Posted by RK

Does Terry have previous when it comes to racism claims? Or Xenophibia? I can't remember but something's in the back of my head. Could well be wrong.

He was sent off against Spurs for an off the ball incident. The rumours are/were that the ref had heard Terry call King a "lippy black monkey".

antihenry · 26th October 2011, 16:40

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Originally Posted by Makki

He was sent off against Spurs for an off the ball incident. The rumours are/were that the ref had heard Terry call King a "lippy black monkey".

If he did, it would have become known to the press. It was probably something nasty but not racist.There were plenty of players around during that exchange, there's no chance it would remain a secret and even if CFC players wouldn't tell on Terry, Spurs players would certainly back King.Some twat simply started a rumor and plenty of twats followed suit.

Does anyone really believe in this day and age something like this could have been hushed up? Especially in England where tabloids would be all over it in a second?

Striker10 · 26th October 2011, 16:45

I think the press big up one story and wait for the next and then big that up and so on so forth. To be honest, I don't think they give a shit. Anything to sell a rag.

ArmchairCritic · 26th October 2011, 16:46

Anyone got a decent video of that 2006 sending off, I think that was the game where Lennon scored the winner with his left foot but funnily enough I can't remember this incident at all. Apparently all the black Tottenham players were angry, I'd like video footage to confirm this but the videos on YouTube are ones from the crowd where you can't really make anything out.

EDIT:The BBC has it down as an altercation with Chimbonda(racists)
BBC SPORT | Football | Premiership | Tottenham 2-1 Chelsea

antihenry · 26th October 2011, 17:23

Quote:

Originally Posted by ArmchairCritic

Anyone got a decent video of that 2006 sending off, I think that was the game where Lennon scored the winner with his left foot but funnily enough I can't remember this incident at all. Apparently all the black Tottenham players were angry, I'd like video footage to confirm this but the videos on YouTube are ones from the crowd where you can't really make anything out.

EDIT:The BBC has it down as an altercation with Chimbonda(racists)
BBC SPORT | Football | Premiership | Tottenham 2-1 Chelsea

There were only four white players in the Spurs lineup on that day. Spurs players may have been unhappy but the fact that they were black was probably a coincidence.

afrocentricity · 26th October 2011, 17:27

anti, you know nothing about it just like the rest of us... your interpretations carry just as much weight as anyone elses in here. I'm of the mind that something went on and was brushed under the carpet, similar to what will happen now....

Edit: I'm sure you'd be able to find a thread on it somewhere....

duffer · 26th October 2011, 17:38

Quote:

Originally Posted by afrocentricity

anti, you know nothing about it just like the rest of us... your interpretations carry just as much weight as anyone elses in here. I'm of the mind that something went on and was brushed under the carpet, similar to what will happen now....

Edit: I'm sure you'd be able to find a thread on it somewhere....

Why on earth would the players or media cover it up? It's a massive story "England captain racially abuses teamate" that would sell papers. The only reason they would have to not report it is a) they are saving the story for a slow news week or b) it didn't happen.

afrocentricity · 26th October 2011, 17:41

Quote:

Originally Posted by duffer

Why on earth would the players or media cover it up? It's a massive story "England captain racially abuses teamate" that would sell papers. The only reason they would have to not report it is a) they are saving the story for a slow news week or b) it didn't happen.

As I said I don't know what happened, and you talking about players or media means nothing, it's entirely possible that the clubs and those players present chose to keep it quiet. If you disagree then you've been living in a bubble the last 10 years...

duffer · 26th October 2011, 17:44

Quote:

Originally Posted by afrocentricity

As I said I don't know what happened, and you talking about players or media means nothing, it's entirely possible that the clubs and those players present chose to keep it quiet. If you disagree then you've been living in a bubble the last 10 years...

Bournemouth actually, not a bubble.

Why do you keep putting "..." at the end of your sentances?

afrocentricity · 26th October 2011, 17:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by duffer

Bournemouth actually, not a bubble.

Why do you keep putting "..." at the end of your sentances?

Bournemouth is a bubble......................................

antihenry · 26th October 2011, 18:00

Quote:

Originally Posted by duffer

Bournemouth actually, not a bubble.

Why do you keep putting "..." at the end of your sentances?

If you haven't been living in a bubble for the last ten years, you'd know.

Sir Matt · 27th October 2011, 00:15

Race row deepens for Terry as | Mail Online

Lance Uppercut · 27th October 2011, 00:21

JT is floating in the bowl and the handle's jingling.

bsc · 27th October 2011, 00:23

Not looking good for him.

I don't know how Ollie Holt will get over this if proven true.

KM · 27th October 2011, 00:26

IF all these claims are proven to be true, then what'll be the ramifications?

I'm guessing he'll never play for England, but what'll Chelsea do?

bsc · 27th October 2011, 00:27

Quote:

Originally Posted by KM

IF all these claims are proven to be true, then what'll be the ramifications?

I'm guessing he'll never play for England, but what'll Chelsea do?

His England career will be toast.

Chelsea will stand by him.

pillory · 27th October 2011, 00:28

Smart move.

Moriarty · 27th October 2011, 01:37

Quote:

Originally Posted by bsc

His England career will be toast.

Chelsea will stand by him.

And they'll sign Suarez too and pretty soon the Chav's dressing room will resemble a BNP convention.

I wonder what Chelsea's black players make of all this? I can't see the likes of Drogba or Anelka wanting to be around an out-and-out racist.

finneh · 27th October 2011, 08:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by Makki

Tall people and blonde people aren't races so are per definition not able to be targeted with racism per se.

Oh, and neither are scousers, so you ain't a racist if you call someone a scouse cunt.

I'm pretty sure "black" covers a few different races, but I don't really understand getting offended by someone using the politically correct name for your ethnic group. Would it be sexist to call someone a "female cnut", or just offensive? Likewise ageist to call someone an "old cnut"? I certainly wouldn't be insulted by the "white" part of someone calling me a white "cnut".

SharkyMcShark · 27th October 2011, 09:30

Why would it be there if it's not meant to be insulting?

Unless you're suggesting it's normal to drop innocuous adjectives in the middle of a tirade

finneh · 27th October 2011, 10:11

Quote:

Originally Posted by SharkyMcShark

Why would it be there if it's not meant to be insulting?

Unless you're suggesting it's normal to drop innocuous adjectives in the middle of a tirade

As I said before I think it's comparable to "old cnut". Maybe it is supposed to be offensive but why it actually is perceived that way I have no idea.

gooDevil · 27th October 2011, 10:16

Old people weren't systematically rounded up and enslaved as a group, for one.

I would expect to get my ass kicked if I went into a bar in El Paso and called someone a 'mexican cunt'. Surely I don't have to explain why.

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26th October 2011, 14:39	#81 (permalink)
Hectic Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Mike Phelan WILL kill you. Posts: 64,714	That's the other thing acrebo, if Anton didn't know about it on the pitch, and was made aware afterward, then why would Terry speak out in the first place, unless he's done a quick time jump into the future? If Anton didn't say anything on the pitch, what could possibly give Terry a reason to say that anyway? Surely he can only respond with the comment once Anton has said something.

26th October 2011, 14:51	#83 (permalink)
Neutral BTV Join Date: May 2010 Location: DC/Canberra/Dhaka Posts: 7,313	Stan Collymore attracting some interesting commentary due to this racism stuff courtesy of HCK: andrewking85 andrewking by StanCollymore @StanCollymore what is point of ** last picture tweet.??the world don't owe you nothing you soppy black plum #thisisenglandnotafrica anthonyquinn11 anthony quinn by StanCollymore @ @StanCollymore and I guess if u were stood infront of hitler you would av defied him... Easy said 73 yrs on ya racist pig! justinhoward6 justin howard by StanCollymore @ @StanCollymore would love to know what you know Stan, you obviously know the truth!!! Seems to me you're looking for a #Lynching LiverpoolEwan Ewan by StanCollymore @StanCollymore loving all this stan ya big nigga x

26th October 2011, 14:55	#84 (permalink)
kps88 First Team Regular Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 12,176	You can't blame Anton for being silent. Its risky business taking on the England captain. This could all be sorted if Ashley fucking Cole didn't decide to prance around in front of him.

26th October 2011, 15:03	#89 (permalink)
RK First Team Regular Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 15,134	Does Terry have previous when it comes to racism claims? Or Xenophibia? I can't remember but something's in the back of my head. Could well be wrong.

26th October 2011, 15:05	#90 (permalink)
RK First Team Regular Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 15,134	After research it appears he doesn't, but has abused some Americans about 9/11.

26th October 2011, 15:11	#94 (permalink)
Lance Uppercut First Team Regular Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: NOBODY, calls Dugan a turd. Posts: 19,808	Ledley King, right?

26th October 2011, 15:12	#95 (permalink)
Hectic Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Mike Phelan WILL kill you. Posts: 64,714	That's the one, almost five years ago.

26th October 2011, 15:16	#96 (permalink)
RK First Team Regular Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 15,134	Oh right. Good one memory.

26th October 2011, 16:45	#101 (permalink)
Striker10 "Ronaldo and trophies > Manchester United football club" Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 14,088	I think the press big up one story and wait for the next and then big that up and so on so forth. To be honest, I don't think they give a shit. Anything to sell a rag.

26th October 2011, 16:46	#102 (permalink)
ArmchairCritic No Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: I am not a liberator. Liberators do not exist. The people liberate themselves. Posts: 9,866	Anyone got a decent video of that 2006 sending off, I think that was the game where Lennon scored the winner with his left foot but funnily enough I can't remember this incident at all. Apparently all the black Tottenham players were angry, I'd like video footage to confirm this but the videos on YouTube are ones from the crowd where you can't really make anything out. EDIT:The BBC has it down as an altercation with Chimbonda(racists) BBC SPORT \| Football \| Premiership \| Tottenham 2-1 Chelsea

26th October 2011, 17:27	#104 (permalink)
afrocentricity First Team Regular Join Date: May 2005 Location: Thinking up a new location... Posts: 10,216	anti, you know nothing about it just like the rest of us... your interpretations carry just as much weight as anyone elses in here. I'm of the mind that something went on and was brushed under the carpet, similar to what will happen now.... Edit: I'm sure you'd be able to find a thread on it somewhere....

27th October 2011, 00:15	#110 (permalink)
Sir Matt First Team Regular Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: LUHG Posts: 11,350	Race row deepens for Terry as \| Mail Online

27th October 2011, 00:21	#111 (permalink)
Lance Uppercut First Team Regular Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: NOBODY, calls Dugan a turd. Posts: 19,808	JT is floating in the bowl and the handle's jingling.

27th October 2011, 00:23	#112 (permalink)
bsc First Team Sub Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Stretford End - 3103 Posts: 6,593	Not looking good for him. I don't know how Ollie Holt will get over this if proven true.

27th October 2011, 00:26	#113 (permalink)
KM Coach Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 24,082	IF all these claims are proven to be true, then what'll be the ramifications? I'm guessing he'll never play for England, but what'll Chelsea do?

27th October 2011, 00:28	#115 (permalink)
pillory First Team Sub Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Symptomless coma Posts: 8,089	Smart move.

27th October 2011, 09:30	#118 (permalink)
SharkyMcShark Horrified Join Date: May 2007 Location: Using location as a tagline: because I'm just not cool enough to have my own. Posts: 19,946	Why would it be there if it's not meant to be insulting? Unless you're suggesting it's normal to drop innocuous adjectives in the middle of a tirade

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gooDevil Worst scout ever Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: The Kids are the Future Posts: 16,949	Old people weren't systematically rounded up and enslaved as a group, for one. I would expect to get my ass kicked if I went into a bar in El Paso and called someone a 'mexican cunt'. Surely I don't have to explain why.